Posted By: Dartman75
2009+ Charger/300C questions - 08/31/10 04:40 AM
I was thiking about replacing my 300M special with something a bit newer and a bit more powerful. I test drove a 2008 SRT8 and a 2010 R/T AWD. The SRT8 was alright, but has more power than I need for a daily and winter driver. But on the whole the ride height was comfortable but did feel a bit on the shrouded side (visibility cut off by all the pillars and the hood line etc). The AWD was right about where I wanted to be power wise, and somehow felt a bit more open but also felt like the ride height was too high and truck like. The wheel arches and massive fender clearances tell me that visually it sits quite high as well. So on the whole I liked the R/T but how can I make one less truck like (high) and more car like (low and sporty) or is this beyond resolution? Are there options out there that the car can come equipped with where it's ride height and feel can get closer to my old 300M special?
Posted By: Alikazam
Re: 2009+ Charger/300C questions - 08/31/10 06:38 AM
There is a guy named "LowGo" on the
www.lxforums.com site with an AWD R/T Magnum on air bags that can set it down on the ground! So there are options out there, maybe check on the LX forum website for more information. Good luck!
Posted By: BergmanAutoCraft
Re: 2009+ Charger/300C questions - 08/31/10 12:39 PM
The AWD version is only one inch taller than a regular RT. However, due to the AWD many of the parts are different, unique and a PIA which is why I didn't buy it. Instead I bought an RT, and have 2 sets of wheels. I used the orig set with GY Ultragrip Winter tires which transform it into a serious winter performer despite the 2 wd. I also have a set of police wheels with some nice continentals for the rest of the year. Great package, but EATS front end parts for lunch...
Posted By: Dartman75
Re: 2009+ Charger/300C questions - 08/31/10 03:30 PM
I was wondering how the RWD's do in the real winter (the kind with actual snow on the roads and glare ice through all the neighborhoods). You make it sound competant, yet somehow I suspect that isn't the kind of winter I'm thinking about.
I had a suspicion that the AWD was a bit taller than the RWD versions. I'm sure it's more than the 1" difference, but the whole different from the LH to the LX platform. I'll be test driving a few more options after work today and see if I can find myself in another charger to get a second opinion.
Posted By: bigD
Re: 2009+ Charger/300C questions - 08/31/10 03:31 PM
A lot of the LX guys are using BC coilovers(around $1000.00).They make them for the AWDs also. The good thing is that they are height adjustable, so you can lower the car for the summer and raise it up for the winter. These coil overs also have adjustable shock dampning so you have control over that also.You will also have to invest in some adjustable front upper control arms and adjustable rear bushings(from SPC /Eibach around $380.00) if you lower the car(RWD only-AWD is different) Go over to the LX forums and look in the vendor section for "Circuit motorsports". They have the best deals on these parts. UAS would be the go to guys for air bag systems(around $2100.00). I run progress springs/bars& Koni STR-T shocks/struts on my 08 Charger R/T but there is no adjustment,so my car sits aprox. 2.5" lower than stock all the time. I live in Ca. and this setup is liveable with the exception of the most nasty road conditons, speed bumps or driveways. Good luck with your choice of new mopars,D.
Posted By: Dartman75
Re: 2009+ Charger/300C questions - 08/31/10 03:36 PM
I wouldn't likely lift and lower the car year round so sitting it about 2.5" lower permanently sounds fine to me. It would still probably have higher ground clearance than what I have now.
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progress springs/bars& Koni STR-T shocks/struts
Where did you find that setup, and is it intended to lower the car? Anything else? Would it apply to an AWD or is
Posted By: patrick
Re: 2009+ Charger/300C questions - 08/31/10 06:56 PM
a friend has a 2006 SRT8 300C, and has no problems with winter driving. IIRC he's running toyo tires. being up in Edmonton, I think I'd pick up a 2nd set of rims and some dedicated snows....cooper weathermaster ST2's on my 5th ave make it the best winter car I've ever owned. it was the worst on the 1/2 worn BFG KDWS's....
Posted By: sreinheimer
Re: 2009+ Charger/300C questions - 09/01/10 01:28 AM
I have a 05 magnum r/t rwd with good snow tires on cop wheels and it is great in the winter. Never was stuck or close to it and had no problems stopping and starting. I was surprised how well it held up in Winnipeg winters. Im using cooper weathermaster st2 also, a very good winter tire.
Posted By: Dartman75
Re: 2009+ Charger/300C questions - 09/01/10 03:16 AM
I would alwasy buy a second set of wheels and dedicate one to winter tires. So maybe I could reconsider the SRT-8 or R/T and see if I can convince myself that all feels right in the altitude department. I'd hate to start messing with aftermarket suspension on a warrantied car though. After driving a G37x today, I sure miss the power of the R/T but it sure felt more car-like than the very muscle car like chrysler offerings. I really need that fully hybrid of the car=like feel I have with the 300M and the absolute grunt from that 5.7+ Hemis.
Posted By: Dartman75
Re: 2009+ Charger/300C questions - 09/02/10 02:34 AM
I've alwasy been on the look out for turbo or supercharger for the 300M. Nothing exists. I have the know how to probably make such a setup work (tranny willing), but not the time any more.
I'd never buy a BMW as my perception of the typical hat backward poser owner around here just doesn't define me. And for that matter Audi is becoming the new BMW douche bag mobile around here for some reason.
I added another 300C drive undermy belt today, and it wasn't much better than the charger. I sat in a sebring and it was better, but there just isn't a performance option for them and no back seat leg room (it was convertible maybe that screws it up). After that I headed across the street to the Hyundai dealership at the suggest of my friend and they had the Genesis Sedan. Thinking it might have a nice 306 HP V6 I got talking with the sales lady and the brocure shows a 4.6L V8. That caught the attention. The test drive in the Genesis went well. Feels liek a car. A bit higher feeling than my ground hugging 300M special, but at least car like. The 290hp V6 didn't cut the mustard for me, and knowing that my M already ran down a V6 Genesis coupe (twice back to back, I asume bad driver) I just won't be happy with that engine combo. No AWD is a big down side, but if RWD is on the table it's something to consider. I'm afraid I have to either give up on Chrysler, or just wait it out longer. But all my knowledge from allpar browsing just doesn't show any hope for me in the near term for finding a good affordable sport sedan. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Also if anyone knows of any way to add uConnect to a 300M and about 100 ponies, I'm all ears! Dual zone climat would be appreciated as well. why have I gotten so picky, am I officially old at the age of 34?
Greg
Posted By: patrick
Re: 2009+ Charger/300C questions - 09/02/10 03:51 AM
also check out used caddy CTS-V's, and pontiac G8's...both have V8 and RWD in either manual or auto....
Posted By: Dartman75
Re: 2009+ Charger/300C questions - 09/06/10 01:21 AM
Drove a 2009 Hyundai Genesis V8 and a 2010 or 2011 Lacrosse. The Hyundai was nice, but at 2 years old was showing some aging sounds and cosmetics and was missing most of the options I wanted in teh new car (bluetooth, video, backup cam and AWD). The Lacrosse was anemic well appointed car that still had no AWD or power. I found mid range price G37x only to find it was a US car completely devoid of any options and obviously WAY over priced by that point.
I finally stopped by another dodge dealership and took another ride in a 2010 charger AWD and was pleasantly surprised to find that it didn't feel as high or truck like as my first ride. Maybe a different interior package or color or something? Impression changed after all the test drives? It stil wasn't perfect. I much preferred the R/T's interior seating and suspension. But ultimately it's not possible to get the sporty seats from the R/T or SRT or any of the suspension handling options that would make the care feel a little more sporty and firm. The interior still looks too straight and truck like but that did give me hope for a 2011 model. If the 300 is a reasonable price or the charger gets the same interior, the new hood lines and decent interiors might actually close the gap and put an end to my searching outside of the Chrysler line-up. For now I'm going to hold off on any purchase until I can sit in a 2011 300 and charger. And by then it'll probably be winter and I can try a RWD in real winter conditions.
Posted By: Wheeler
Re: 2009+ Charger/300C questions - 09/06/10 03:15 AM
Dartman75 - If you want to stick with a Chrysler product, I would wait for the 2011 Charger and 300. Both cars will be redesigned in and out, and the all-new 3.6L Pentastar V6 will replace the old 3.5L V6.
IMO, good winter tires are a MUST for these cars - I have seen V6 Chargers and 300s with stock (Continental?) tires get stuck in 1 inch snow.
Good luck!
Posted By: 5thAve
Re: 2009+ Charger/300C questions - 09/07/10 06:54 AM
I would take a 300C over a CTS any day. A while back I saw an AWD 300C for sale for a great price I thought about getting but I didn't like thinking about how much stuff would cost to get fixed if it broke. Someone told me they were taller and then I saw what looked like an AWD car beside a normal one and you could really see the difference.
Even with good snow tires there are days I wouldn't go out with a RWD car because I know it will just end up having problems. The best winter car Ive had is FWD V8. The only thing that stops it is me not wanting to drive it on certain days in fear of damaging something driving through deep snow or being hit by someone.