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904 Shifts high

Posted By: JonC

904 Shifts high - 08/10/08 01:33 AM

340, 904,3.23's. When putting my foot in the carb the engine revs for a second when it kicks down to second gear and then is normal. What is wrong?
Posted By: nutso suave

Re: 904 Shits high - 08/10/08 01:36 AM

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904 Shits high




most hilarious misspelling ever.
Posted By: JonC

Re: 904 Shits high - 08/10/08 01:40 AM

Holy shift, I spelled it wrong!!+
Posted By: MowP4rsn

Re: 904 Shits high - 08/10/08 01:40 AM

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904 Shits high




most hilarious misspelling ever.



How did THAT get through????
Posted By: nutso suave

Re: 904 Shits high - 08/10/08 01:43 AM

as for the question...i have no clue. is the engine revving before the shift or is the engine bogging before the shift and then responding after the shift?
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 904 Shits high - 08/10/08 01:46 AM

the automatic moparts editor is on the blink & a day or so ago a post with a link to an eGay ad was allowed to stand EDIT almost forgot,I would adj the bands.
Posted By: JonC

Re: 904 Shits high - 08/10/08 01:55 AM

Engine is not bogging, going 45 MPH and come down on it it revs up some and then comes back down. I had the tranny "refreshed" and it didn't do it before. Kickdown is adjusted right.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 904 Shits high - 08/10/08 02:05 AM

we better see what Kunkel has to say. EDIT I reread your post & it has been acting this way ever since it was "freshened"?
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: 904 Shits high - 08/10/08 02:09 AM

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we better see what Kunkel has to say.




Agreed, but I will say I know from experience that loose bands can cause 'rpm flare' during the shift. I would suspect either worn bands or a severe need of a band adjustment.
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: 904 Shits high - 08/10/08 02:11 AM

Double check the kickdown band with the pan off so you can grab the lever and move it by hand. It should move about 1/8th inch at the tip, mabey a fraction more or less depending on the ratio but 1/8th is about perfect. If you are positive it is good then pull the VB and pull the front band apply piston out and check the sealing rings. You can also check for proper functioning with air when the VB is removed and the piston and band all in place. Last thing I discovered after going through all this on a 904 doing the exact thing you describe, I had been useing ATF+4 and after about 3 fills and fooling with everything in the kickdown band apply circuits and no luck it was getting expensive and I was out of ideas. Finally one of the local tranny gurus here said the new fluid had way less friction makeing ability to give the newer trans smoother shifts. He recomended I refill it with typy F and I did and the problem was 100% gone. I have pretty much always used type F in old mopars and I will always use it. It made all the shifts better.
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: 904 Shits high - 08/10/08 02:14 AM

I do agree to listen to John Kunkel he is purty smart, I just slept at a super 8 a couple years ago.
Posted By: JonC

Re: 904 Shifts high - 08/10/08 02:31 AM

Thanks Mod.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: 904 Shifts high - 08/10/08 08:21 PM


Previous advice is spot on. When you floor it to kickdown, the front clutch is releasing but the kickdown band isn't applying right away so the rpm's flare up.

Adjust the kickdown band; if that doesn't help there is a problem with the band or the servo.
Posted By: JonC

Re: 904 Shifts high - 08/11/08 12:23 AM

I've never opened up a transmission before, is this something I can do myself? And can someone walk me through it?
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: 904 Shifts high - 08/11/08 12:45 AM

We'll help.

First pull the pan, take all the back row of bolts off then one side then the other( so all the fluid comes out the back and is easier to catch) then loosen the front row then remove the front row and hold the pan from falling.

Then you got to look for the front band apply lever. It will be located on the piston at the front of the trans. Grab the tip over the piston with two fingers and firmly pull it up and down, it should move about 1/8th inch.

Report back to us at that point before putting it back together or adjusting it.
Posted By: JonC

Re: 904 Shifts high - 08/11/08 02:02 PM

I will, it will be a few days tho. And thanks!
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: 904 Shifts high - 08/11/08 07:04 PM


No need to pull the pan to adjust the kickdown band, it's the external adjuster.

Loosen the 3/4" jam nut, back it off several turns, tighten the adjuster just snug with a short wrench, back the adjuster off two turns, hold the adjuster while tightening the jam nut.

If that doesn't cure the flareup the pan can then be removed for a look see.
Posted By: JonC

Re: 904 Shifts high - 08/14/08 03:39 PM

Thanks
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