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70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question.

Posted By: 70Runnerdude

70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/17/10 09:57 PM

I asked a few months back about a red tail stripe for a 70 roadrunner and it was brought up that is was never offered in red. Here is a pic of a red tail stripe what do you think is it original or aftermarket ?
Thanks !
Dave

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Posted By: 70Runnerdude

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/17/10 09:59 PM

and another pic

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Posted By: 70Runnerdude

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/17/10 10:01 PM

and another one

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Posted By: b54406barrel

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/17/10 10:22 PM

I have an older 'year one' catalog(early 90's?) and it does list a red tail stripe. Part number in that catalog is CH490RED. I don't remember ever seeing a red one on a car in 1970 but, I don't remember lots of things!
Seems like back in the day I remember a white super bee with a red decal, though.
Posted By: b54406barrel

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/18/10 03:47 PM

I didn't see your original post so I don't know what determined there were no red stripes but maybe someone could move this to the restoration forum? I'm curious myself as I don't see why year one would have bothered to make a not available color reproduction back in the early 90's.
Posted By: 72roadrunnergtx

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/18/10 06:25 PM

I definitely remember red tail stripes on 70’ Road Runners originally, primarily on white or black painted cars. Markings on the stripe pictured appear to be original as well. Should be able to verify that part number in the 70’s parts catalog.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/18/10 07:07 PM

My (December 1971) 1970-'71 Chrysler Parts Catalog shows:

Road Runner (23-23-12)
TAPE, Deck Lid Color Stripe
3444 894 - "White"
3445 253 - "Black"
3505 142 - "Gold"

With the shown "Red" part number being one number before the "Black", I'm guessing discontinued or "never-saw-production" part.
Posted By: b54406barrel

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/18/10 08:03 PM

Quote:

My (December 1971) 1970-'71 Chrysler Parts Catalog shows:

Road Runner (23-23-12)
TAPE, Deck Lid Color Stripe
3444 894 - "White"
3445 253 - "Black"
3505 142 - "Gold"

With the shown "Red" part number being one number before the "Black", I'm guessing discontinued or "never-saw-production" part.



Guess that wouldn't be the first thing from books that didn't seem to quite prove 100% accurate. With that part number, I'd bet it made it on to cars.
Posted By: 70Runnerdude

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 01:17 AM

I believe it was Kiss Alien who had mentioned no red stripes He keeps a record of diferent color stripe cars.
Thanks!
David
Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 03:59 AM

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I'd bet it made it on to cars.



If that were true, then wouldn't you think someone should be able to produce a vintage picture, fender tag, window sticker, or BS showing a red stripe?
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 04:16 AM

This page shows the available stripes. The red V7_ stripe shown is a painted pin stripe;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/imag...Accents0003.jpg
Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 04:28 AM

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This page shows the available stripes. The red V7_ stripe shown is a painted pin stripe;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/imag...Accents0003.jpg



(God that thing is cockeyed. Whoever scanned it must have been drunk)

Notice that a red stripe is never the standard stripe. Typically, the stripe is a normal contrasting color like white on black or the stripe accents the interior or vinyl top. With no red top or interior on the RR, there were not a lot of natural matches and selection would have probably been so low as to make it not worth while to produce.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 04:29 AM

From the Chrysler 1970 Collision parts book;

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Posted By: b54406barrel

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 04:31 AM

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Quote:

I'd bet it made it on to cars.



If that were true, then wouldn't you think someone should be able to produce a vintage picture, fender tag, window sticker, or BS showing a red stripe? [/quote

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Maybe nobody looked cause the books said it didn't exist. Still, with that part number on it & being so close to the black stripe number & year one re-popping it in red in the early 90's. Also, folks do seem to remember them on cars. I dunno kind of strange.............
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 04:36 AM

In the '80s, red stripes were available for T/As too, but the factory only offered them in black.

1970 RR stripes again, this time from the 1970-71 collision parts manual;

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Posted By: b54406barrel

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 04:40 AM

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In the '80s, red stripes were available for T/As too, but the factory only offered them in black.

1970 RR stripes again, this time from the 1970-71 collision parts manual;



Red TA stripes were available from Chrysler?
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 04:45 AM

Not that I know of.
Posted By: b54406barrel

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 04:48 AM

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Not that I know of.



The red RR stripe has a Chrysler part # on it so is that SOP for reproductions to have that on them? That's why I wondered.
Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 05:08 AM

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Also, folks do seem to remember them on cars.



I 'remember' a lot of things that didn't happen...like the Hooper triplets.
Posted By: b54406barrel

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 05:25 AM

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Also, folks do seem to remember them on cars.



I 'remember' a lot of things that didn't happen...like the Hooper triplets.



I do remember the Phillips triplets very well but, that's another story. As I said in my first post, I don't remember seeing a rr with a red one. And at that age I spent a lot of time looking at cars. Just seems odd to see the OP decal with that number so close to the other stripes number. Dealer installed option?
Posted By: 70Runnerdude

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 09:53 PM

Well to clear up a few things here. I just purchased these today and found out that these came from The persons Uncle who worked for Chrysler In Michigan back in the old days and has passed away these were found in in his House. He Had several sets and I purchased them all. So I am sure of them being the real deal and not repo !
Dave
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 10:08 PM

Several sets? Are they all red? What are the part numbers on the sections for the quarter extensions?

IMO pre-production samples that never saw production, like a '72 GTX grill emblem.
Posted By: 70Runnerdude

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/19/10 10:16 PM

All Red and yes several sets ! No quarter extensions but i belive they could be cut out and made from an extra center section I hope.
Posted By: 70Runnerdude

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/20/10 09:03 PM

Where is Kiss Alien on this subject ?
Anyone else have any thoughts on this ?
Thanks!
Dave
Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/20/10 09:40 PM

I have no documentation on any RRs equipped with a red stripe. Though I really only "track" E-bodies in my registry, I would have kept any info on a B-Body i thought to be odd.
Posted By: 70Runnerdude

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/21/10 09:10 PM

Quote:

In the '80s, red stripes were available for T/As too, but the factory only offered them in black.



I bet they Didnt have a Chrysler part number on them !
Also I could be wrong but if I remeber correctly on the E-bodies they offered different colors later on in the yeasr and did not show up in any colision books or parts books either.
Posted By: KISSAlien

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/21/10 09:24 PM

Additional colors were added for the R/T and new stripes added for other models. T/As were always black and could not be deleted.

Things don't just show up or go away without there being documentation. Whether it's a TSB, PIB, update to a trim selector, or whatever.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/21/10 09:51 PM

-Several stripes, all red
-only center sections not complete rear sets
-from a guy that worked for Chrysler
-one number off before the black stripe production number.
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Quote:

IMO pre-production samples that never saw production, like a '72 GTX grill emblem.



I'm with Dan on this one.

70Runnerdude, send some pictures and the story of your purchase to Rob Wolf at MCG magazine and I bet your "Chrysler Files: Prototype Red 70 Road Runner Stripes" story gets printed.

I think those are real Chrysler P/N's. They just were not "released" and used into production. A set of drawings with a p/n on it doesn't even mean they even make a prototype (in this case they did though). But if someone decides to flip the switch and use that p/n in production, the drawings with p/n's are ready to go.
Posted By: 70Runnerdude

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/22/10 06:08 PM

I sent an e-mail to Rob
And I also recieved the stripes today in the mail there are 14 of them.

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Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/22/10 06:14 PM

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I sent an e-mail to Rob
And I also recieved the stripes today in the mail there are 14 of them.



14 center sections only! What do you do with 14 of those? Wouldn't be surprised if the uncle had more, but how many red RR stripes can you put on your: boat, garage wall, and kids toy wagons.

Funny about that picture. Looks about the right size to just be about a fist full of stripes.
Posted By: 70Runnerdude

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/22/10 07:37 PM

Well I got the 14 stripes for less than half the cost of one aftermarket stripe. I couldnt pass it up.
Posted By: 70gtx440dana

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/22/10 10:08 PM

Here is another Chrysler document supporting the release of only black, white & gold! See ballon #5 on the left hand side.

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Posted By: Diego (not Ted)

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 05/22/10 11:39 PM

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(God that thing is cockeyed. Whoever scanned it must have been drunk)




Posted By: liftoff

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 06/11/10 02:14 PM

My question has to do with stripes in general.
Were the tail stripe and dust trails a package? Or could you get the tail stripe on the 70 RR without the dust trails? Thanks.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 06/11/10 08:36 PM

The decklid stripe was standard on the hardtop & convertible.
The decklid stripe was part of the optional ($81.50) A87 - "decor package" on the coupe.
The dust trail stripe was a $15.55 option.
Posted By: Finoke

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 06/12/10 06:24 PM

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The decklid stripe was standard on the hardtop & convertible.
The decklid stripe was part of the optional ($81.50) A87 - "decor package" on the coupe.
The dust trail stripe was a $15.55 option.



Will the dust trail stripe always be on the fender tag? Sorry to stray off topic
Posted By: 70Runnerdude

Re: 70 Roadrunner tail stripe in Red Question. - 04/28/11 07:15 PM

Anyone else seen or heard of such a stripe since this was posted ?
Just curious .
Also anyone have a set of the end stripes that they could make a tracing for me of so I could see if I can cut them out of one center stripe ?
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