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69 Dart Toe-in Problem

Posted By: turbo66valiant

69 Dart Toe-in Problem - 05/05/10 10:24 PM

Say, I have an issue with toe in on my 69 318 Dart drag car. The local alignment shop can get the right side to actuate up and down satisfactory but the left side will toe in over 1 inch. Here is the parts list:

-73 Duster disks, spindles and rear mounted calipers
-73 Dart drum upper control arms w/ big ball joint
-69 Dart lower control arms
-69 Dart tie rods and other arms w/ PST bushings
-no sway bar

He asked if the car had been hit at one time but it hasn't. We noticed it more now that it raises the front end longer down the track w/ a different engine combo (turbo). Drag only car.
Thanks
Ryan
Posted By: 68HemiB

Re: 69 Dart Toe-in Problem - 05/05/10 10:30 PM

It is not clear if you are talking about the TOE or CAMBER from your description, or if perhaps the issue is a radical change in one of these during suspension travel.

Posted By: turbo66valiant

Re: 69 Dart Toe-in Problem - 05/05/10 10:41 PM

Sorry, it is a radical change in the toe when the suspension is traveling. He did not say anything about camber.
Posted By: 68HemiB

Re: 69 Dart Toe-in Problem - 05/05/10 11:05 PM

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other arms w/ PST bushings




First off, let me compliment you on how well the turbo slant combo runs. I watched a pair of videos in hopes of gleaning from them some info on the driver's side suspension action. Being shot from the right rear and a completely 'nother car, that was no help, but I was appropriately impressed by the performance.

Anyway, were this car to present to me with the complaint you describe, the thing I would do on the rack is attempt to duplicate the symptom statically. In other words, quantify how much toe shift there is by measuring it at different ride heights, done by jacking up the nose incrementally. Since the combination of parts you describe is very common, I would not expect to see much toe change when doing this test.

This would leave as the cause something physically shifting [that shouldn't be shifting] as the car drives down the track. Possibilities to investigate:

a. Non-rubber LCA bushing that allow the LCA to move (I'm not a big fan of poly LCA bushings).

b. LCA pivot shaft hole in the K member ovalled out.

c. Steering box/pitman arm not staying put.

Hope some of this helps.
Posted By: turbo66valiant

Re: 69 Dart Toe-in Problem - 05/06/10 12:12 AM

I will look into those ideas. Thanks
Ryan
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 69 Dart Toe-in Problem - 05/06/10 02:37 AM

Bump steer issue. The arc that the LCA moves in combined w the arc produced by the length of the tie rod assy is different on that side. Might place something as simple as a board against the tire side about halfway up and jack it up and see how much toe change you get (one end of the board will develop a gap) as the unequal arcs pull one side (front or back) of the tire in or out and start w some C to C measuring of the tie rod assy on the offending side & compare it to the other side as somewhere one side has a different measurement than the other side.
Posted By: 68HemiB

Re: 69 Dart Toe-in Problem - 05/06/10 02:49 AM

RR, with all due respect, have you ever seen bump steer in an A body cause over one inch of toe change, and on only one side?
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 69 Dart Toe-in Problem - 05/06/10 02:54 AM

No bro I havent and yes it happening on one side does sound strange & that something is being missed
Posted By: turbo66valiant

Re: 69 Dart Toe-in Problem - 05/06/10 05:43 PM

Thanks for the help, the Dart is at home again and the front end should be torn apart later this week. I checked the LCA for sway and it is alittle sloppy. Later
Ryan
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