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Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight

Posted By: NITROUSN

Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 01:32 AM

Tonite We lowered the car on to the motor/trans. I had both valve covers off. We got it into place. I put the Indy covers back on. Problems I see are
1- Right valve cover hits the right shock tower right in line with the upper shock mounting bolt.

2- The steering box sits against the left frame rail.

3- The pitman arm and left innner tie rod rub on my TTI headers.

Need ideas from hemi owners as to what I should do to correct these issues. My K-Frame was done by a guy in Wisconsin. It was the wedge K-frame that was original to the car. This is my first hemi so I would rather ask before I act. Thanks.
Posted By: prochargedhemi

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 01:35 AM

the guy in wisconsin did my k-frame too and the steering box wouldn't even bolt up flush. had to cut about 1/2 inch from the brace behind it and beat it back. guy basically told me sorry about your luck
Posted By: cloneguy

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 01:51 AM

What did the guy in WI "do" to your k frame?

We've done plenty of hemis and never had an issue.
Posted By: prochargedhemi

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 01:54 AM

Well from the sounds of it he took a wedge k-member and made it a hemi k-member.
Posted By: cloneguy

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 02:00 AM

OK, we've never done that.

For a clone, it's much more cost effective to use adapter mounts.

For the real thing, we've bought many originals for fair prices.

Or we've used the ones from: http://www.rockymountainmopar.com/hemiprod.html#KFrame

If somebody screwed up your K member, it might be worth paying them a visit.
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 02:01 AM

Quote:

Well from the sounds of it he took a wedge k-member and made it a hemi k-member.




Thats exactly what he did. It looked like a nice job. My headers a 2 1/8 TTI. I will get it rolling and look at it closer. Seems to me there has been others that have posted with valve cover to tower issues as well as header to pitman issues. Just looking for others that have done this. I dont want to throw the k-frame conversion guy under the bus just yet. I need to see if I have pictures of the gear box in the car before I took it out.
Posted By: PJM

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 02:22 AM

If your frame rails are straight, its has to be the k member or the engine mounts or both. The k member is like the spine, if its off everything will be effected.
Posted By: Lee446

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 02:30 AM

I did this swap recently using Schumacher motor mounts on my stock V8 K member and using 2-1/8" TTI headers. Stock stamped Hemi valve covers. Everything lined up perfect w/no issues. Maybe I just got lucky!
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 02:33 AM

Quote:

If your frame rails are straight, its has to be the k member or the engine mounts or both. The k member is like the spine, if its off everything will be effected.




Thanks the car is solid never wrecked. I am to anal at times and things are not quite right.
Posted By: moparpollack

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 02:34 AM

Sounds like a bum k member.
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 02:38 AM

Quote:

I did this swap recently using Schumacher motor mounts on my stock V8 K member and using 2-1/8" TTI headers. Stock stamped Hemi valve covers. Everything lined up perfect w/no issues. Maybe I just got lucky!




Well I am glad yours went right. I did mine this way to avoid the possible issues. I maybe over reacting a bit. Once I get a few more items in place I will have it sitting on tires maybe tomorrow. Then I can assess it a bit better. It seems like the gear box it tight to the tower. I ahve pics of it before but they were to dirty and crudded up to see how far the gear box is away from the tower.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 02:46 AM

Quote:

I did this swap recently using Schumacher motor mounts on my stock V8 K member and using 2-1/8" TTI headers. Stock stamped Hemi valve covers. Everything lined up perfect w/no issues. Maybe I just got lucky!






While I was going to recommend this is probally the best way to do the swap useing the Schumacher mounts, other than factory original parts,....but kinda late as Pete has already invested in the altered K frame,......you may be able to shim the passengers side mount a "little" to gain some clearance on the shock tower ( the big cast covers make it VERY tight)....but another POSSIBLE problem to focus on is the steering selector shaft clearance with the big tube HEMI TTI's,....you may have to use Flameing Rivers splined U joint assy to "sneak" by the header tube should this be an issuse using the factory knuckle,......IMHO Pete, you might want to cut a loss with the exsisting K frame if it turns into a real nightmare and run the Schmachers on a stock B/RB K,.....I know it'
s not what you want to hear


Mike

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Posted By: RoadRunnerJD

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 03:33 AM

My 69 Hemi RR had the original K and the PS box was tight against the frame. I never did figure it out except I had a replacement steering box from Steer and Gear that was not original to the car? Is a Hemi PS box special?
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 03:47 AM

Is a Hemi PS box special?







No, other than the pump hoses/fittings/...and/or cooler if equipped
Posted By: 2fast4yourBrain

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 04:07 PM

Indy now makes pass. side valve covers that supposedly clears the shock mount.
Posted By: megaparts

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/17/10 11:22 PM

Pete,
I am guessing you purchased this from us. Send us some pictures so we can look them over and see if we can help figure it out. You will want to talk to Roy if you call. As I will just pass it on to him anyway as he is more of the tech guy!

We have had very few issues out of the few hunderd we have sold. To build the jigs we used a mixture of NOS and used original K-Frames I do not think 2 of them were the same.
BTW there are two places in WI making these. If this is our K-Frame we will work on making it right as we have done on the few others that had issues.
prochargedhemi I do not know if you purchased one from us. If you did I cannot imagine my dad told you tough luck. I do not recall hearing of a steering box not fitting flush?? That plate is not removed. There are brackets to make sure it is in the proper position during welding built in the jigs.
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/18/10 02:13 AM

Thanks PM sent.
Posted By: sogtx

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/18/10 02:27 AM

The engine will not fit unless you take pass side valve cover off before lowering , I see u did that

The Schumakers will not work with every car , neither do the arruzas

The Wisconsin guy did my GTX kframe

he did a NICE JOB , and i have a set of arruza if you want to try ?

What Kind of car ?
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/18/10 02:58 AM

Quote:

What Kind of car ?




69 charger.
Posted By: sthemi

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/18/10 03:21 AM

I have the Megaparts frame in my Hemi Runner, using a manual steering box and cast iron manifolds, the engine fit is perfect.
Like they said the steering box plate is not affected by the motor mount conversion..
the Indy valve covers are a known problem as there are now covers from them that fit.
Big tube headers not fitting is nothing new.
Are you using factory heads? or larger aftermarket castings?

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Posted By: sthemi

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/18/10 03:22 AM

Other side,

Also,
Are you using the correct brackets? there are two styles, one for E body that puts the engine in a different place...than yours..

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Posted By: sogtx

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/18/10 09:41 AM

Quote:

Other side,

Also,
Are you using the correct brackets? there are two styles, one for E body that puts the engine in a different place...than yours..




e body motor mounts ?
do you have p numbers ?

never realized , thought hemi 71 e/b mounts

hemi mounts were same .. ?????????

thought stock hemi mounts were all common

i bet nitrousn is close .

ill bet theres polyloc mounts involved
and a polyueurethane rear tranny mount involved.
is there ?

http://shakerhood.com/index.php?cPath=26

http://www.megapartsusa.com/products.asp?cat=10&pg=2

Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/18/10 11:19 AM

Quote:

Other side,

Also,
Are you using the correct brackets? there are two styles, one for E body that puts the engine in a different place...than yours..




It should be set up for the 69 b-body. Right now its at the body shop. We have it as a roller now. I hope to get it home in the next few days. The valve cover is an easy fix. Steering box has several issues. I may be able to shim the gear box if thats possible. Or maybe shim the motor mounts? The valve cover can be milled and a small bump in the tower should get me an easy 1/4 inch of clearance.

Stock mounts, MP iron reads, Indy aluminum covers.
Posted By: sogtx

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/18/10 11:23 AM

ooof you forgot to mention keeseler is in play here...
Posted By: HPMike

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/18/10 12:48 PM

One thing I might add here, and I work on a lot of hemi stuff.

If you are planning on running headers and any of the aftermarket K frames, then you are best to resign yourself to going with manual steering. The P/S is a big headache otherwise.

If you have ever seen an original Hemi car with all original equipment-the fit is very tight in many areas. All it takes is for something to be "off" just a slight bit with the made up Hemi K frames that are available and you will have some serious fitment problems.

MB
Posted By: Triggerfish

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/18/10 12:59 PM

Quote:

One thing I might add here, and I work on a lot of hemi stuff.

If you are planning on running headers and any of the aftermarket K frames, then you are best to resign yourself to going with manual steering. The P/S is a big headache otherwise.

If you have ever seen an original Hemi car with all original equipment-the fit is very tight in many areas. All it takes is for something to be "off" just a slight bit with the made up Hemi K frames that are available and you will have some serious fitment problems.

MB




That's what I encountered w/ my Challenger. Other option for power steering is a J Body box that doesn't have the dome top. I had Firm Feel make one for me & Dennis shaved a little off the housing for extra clearance & add the stage 2 kit, as well. I've decided to go manual steering instead & save some weight, so will be selling the brand new J body box. I'll try to post pics.
Posted By: sogtx

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 03/29/10 01:51 AM

Hows it fittin >
Posted By: astjp2

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 04/20/11 11:21 PM

Waiting to hear also....
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 04/21/11 02:44 AM

Well I have another post a few weeks back on the headers. Here is what I did.

One I got a new Indy right side valve cover. It is made for tower clearance. It fit real nice and solved that issue.

Two I bought an original hemi K frame and basicly everything basicly still fit the same. The gear box did fit away from the frame an 1/16 on an inch so the box fit better. I contacted TTI and we discussed the issue. I took a lot of pictures and a lot of measurements. After TTI reviewed my info they requested that I send the left side header back. As of this past Monday they called me and said a new one was made and being jet hot coated. So hopefully in a couple weeks I will get the new header and get it togeather. Fingers crossed. I will say that TTI never blew me off or told me to pack sand. They asked for critical data which I provided and by doing so they are taking care of the problem. Will try to update this when I get working on it.
Posted By: Keith BlackĀ®

Re: Hemi fits toooooooooooo tight - 04/21/11 08:06 AM

I put the same k-member from the same people in my 68 charger.
Everything is very tight, just like yours. It's just the way they are, especially the TTI's. We had to modify mine/clearance to fit at the steering box & torsion bar area (2-1/4 primaries).
The Indy valve covers are larger than stock so no surprise there, even the other's are very close.

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