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Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent.

Posted By: moparpoolman

Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/07/10 10:58 PM

Hi Guys, Anyone have a pinion snubber bend down toward the u-joint and have the yoke rub on it as it turns?? Is there a better/stronger one (That I Can Purchase Somewhere) that can hold up better?
Posted By: stumpy

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/07/10 11:01 PM

How far do you have it away from the floor of the car when it's siiting on the tires. You shouldn't be bending it if it's set right.
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/07/10 11:06 PM

When it was new, I set it about 1" from the floor.
Posted By: stumpy

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/07/10 11:13 PM

I think a good aftermarket adjustable would be pretty sturdy.
Posted By: dOc !

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/07/10 11:21 PM

If you are hitting-the-floor with a PS that hard .... you have some SEVERE wind-up issues.

BROOM that PS out ..and get a decent set of rear springs !
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/07/10 11:51 PM

The car is a 4spd, I'm sure that's a factor.
Posted By: BSB67

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/07/10 11:59 PM

Yes. I've bent the orginal brackets before. I make my own as the aftermarket ones are usually to tall with factory springs.
Posted By: Neil

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/08/10 12:12 AM

Some guys find good results by ditching the adjustable pinion snubber and rely on adding more spring clamps to the leafs to stiffen them up.
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/08/10 12:13 AM

I have factory springs in my car and my after market Mopar Performance snubber was to tall also. I cut mine down so 2 hole were left on the top part and bottom part and it gave me the right space that I needed. But I still need to know what I should do now, another one like I had or what else is there that would be stronger???
Posted By: BSB67

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/08/10 12:53 AM

Stronger

Attached picture 5851125-Snubber2.JPG
Posted By: dOc !

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/08/10 01:02 AM

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The car is a 4spd, I'm sure that's a factor.




A stick-shift is a MAJOR factor here .. that is why the people who offer SS springs have specific manual-transmission springs.

If this continues - even with a new PS - you could start spitting-out drive shafts AND breaking tail-housing and maybe even BENDING output shafts.
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/08/10 01:46 AM

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Stronger



That looks stronger. I need one for a Dana60, Where can I get one?
Posted By: dOc !

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/08/10 02:09 AM

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Quote:

Stronger



That looks stronger. I need one for a Dana60, Where can I get one?




After you get a HD PS .. you are going to start CAVING THE FLOOR IN.

A pinion-snubber is a BAND-AID ...and a waste of money.
Posted By: BSB67

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/08/10 03:53 AM

Just measure up what you have now and check the fit and adjust accordingly.
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/08/10 04:11 AM

I think you missed the part of my post that says my snubber bent and is rubbing on the yoke of the rear. I can't use the one I have. Thanks anyway
Posted By: Magnum

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/08/10 09:45 AM

1" from the floor also says your rear suspension only has 1" of travel.
Posted By: BSB67

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/08/10 11:13 AM

No I didn't miss that part. You can still get all the dimensions that you need along with a little time under the car. The mounting and the bumper mount are parallel.
Posted By: 68LAR

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/08/10 02:11 PM

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The car is a 4spd, I'm sure that's a factor.




So is mine and I don't use one. You need a good set of springs, as Doc Fiberglass has suggested. Way too much wind up.
Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/08/10 03:08 PM

I would follow the Chrysler racing engineers advice and run a pinion snubber as well.

Sheldon
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/09/10 07:10 PM

After reading all the responses, I'm thinking that I should change my 42yr old springs. My car is a 68GTX so the springs on there now are what was HD then and the pass side has one more leaf than the driver side. What should I buy, Super Stock Springs or the Extra Heavy Duty Leaf springs or something else????? Where should I buy them????
Posted By: Sinitro

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/09/10 08:08 PM

Be sure to run a torque strap, very crucial for a 4-speed..

Just my $0.01...
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/09/10 08:16 PM

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Be sure to run a torque strap, very crucial for a 4-speed..

Just my $0.01...



Sorry, but what is a torque strap?
Posted By: bigsbigelow

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/09/10 08:44 PM

Torque strap is a solid piece of steel that bolts to the driver side of the engine then to the frame to keep rotation of the engine within the motor mounts from happening.

http://www.engine-swaps.com/graphics/page_Torquestrap/TQA.jpg
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/09/10 10:16 PM

I thought that's what it was but because I've been focused on the rear I wasn't sure. I have solid motor mounts, Do I still need a torque strap??
Posted By: dOc !

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/09/10 11:08 PM

A strap is not a bad-idea even with solid MM's.

I have seen and heard of people breaking the tabs on the block with a hard-launching heavy stick-car.
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/09/10 11:10 PM

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After reading all the responses, I'm thinking that I should change my 42yr old springs. My car is a 68GTX so the springs on there now are what was HD then and the pass side has one more leaf than the driver side. What should I buy, Super Stock Springs or the Extra Heavy Duty Leaf springs or something else????? Where should I buy them????



How about the springs???
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/10/10 12:09 AM

Bent mine too - automatic car. I reengineered it with some angle iron. Also welded in a larger contact plate to my floor. No more problems after that.
Posted By: 68LAR

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/10/10 12:11 AM

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How about the springs???




I don't know what kind of car we are dealing with, so I'll make this comment be a "general" response. If you drive your car mostly on the street with an occassional trip to the track, then HD springs will do just fine. With a "B" body, be careful with the weight rateing. You want the heavier rated spring to keep the car "level" or a little "up" (raked), in the rear. If you decide to go with SS springs and have a "B" body, I use the 002/003 springs, "for a stick car". You will have to relocate the shackles foreward for proper geometry. Snubber will not be required with either choice. With MOPARS, the front spring segment acts like a traction bar because it is shorter than the rear spring segment, and WILL NOT "wrap up". The pinion snubber was installed by MA MOPAR to compensate for too much weight in the car, thus keeping the rear from "bottoming out".
Just my opinion. Good luck with whatever you decide.
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/10/10 12:31 AM

I had brand new stock HD ( 3800lb ) springs in my car and still bent the pinion snubber. Obviously SS springs with their shorter front segment would help to address the wind-up issue, but I would still run a pinion snubber if I were racing the car and making 500+HP. BTW, it's not the shackles you have to relocate with SS springs, but the front spring eye mounts. They have to be longer (towards the rear of the car) to make up for the shorter front spring segment.
Posted By: 68LAR

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/10/10 12:53 PM

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BTW, it's not the shackles you have to relocate with SS springs, but the front spring eye mounts. They have to be longer (towards the rear of the car) to make up for the shorter front spring segment.


You are also correct. I forgot to mention that, thinking that this was a"given" and everyone knew this. My bad! And not ALL SS springs need the rear shackles relocated, JUST the 002/003 going on a "B" body car. This is because the 002/003 springs are "A" body springs, but work really good with a stick car.
Just another suggestion for you guys that are having trouble with snubbers. Check your pinion angle. HD springs need to be around -5* SS springs the pinion angle needs to be -5*to -10*
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/10/10 02:44 PM

Thanks for the info, I just ordered SS springs and the frt hangers from Summit . I ordered the 454/455 because they were for B body and I don't want to relocate my rear shackles. Why whould the A body springs(002/003) work better??? Oh, Summit is on to us with the 10% code, It didn't work on line so I called them to place my order and they told me that "their codes leaked out onto the internet so they canceled their codes" (that's funny, how could that happen)but I told them I got it out of the NY Hunting Guide and still got the 10% off.
Posted By: 68LAR

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/10/10 02:57 PM

The 002/003 "A" body SS springs were what was used on the old school "A" and "B" body stick car Super Stockers. Because they are an "A" body spring, they require the smaller shackle. Also, because they are an "A" body spring, the rear spring segment is shorter and this is why the shackle needs to be relocated. These springs are rated at 3000#, but lifted my car up over 2". I use solid lowering blocks to get the ride height that I want.
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/10/10 03:04 PM

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The 002/003 "A" body SS springs were what was used on the old school "A" and "B" body stick car Super Stockers. Because they are an "A" body spring, they require the smaller shackle. Also, because they are an "A" body spring, the rear spring segment is shorter and this is why the shackle needs to be relocated. These springs are rated at 3000#, but lifted my car up over 2". I use solid lowering blocks to get the ride height that I want.



Thanks for the info, BTW my car is very much like yours, mine is a 68 gtx and my best time so far is 11.77, hopefully these springs help and we'll be side by side
Posted By: moparpoolman

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/10/10 03:34 PM

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A strap is not a bad-idea even with solid MM's.

I have seen and heard of people breaking the tabs on the block with a hard-launching heavy stick-car.



The torque straps I've seen bolt to the K frame at the sway bar mount and to the block on the same tab that the motor mount bolts to. So if the tab was going to break there is actually more pressure on that one tab now instead of equal pull on all the tabs at the same time. I think I'm better off without it.
Posted By: moper

Re: Mopar Perf. pinion snubber bent. - 03/10/10 08:33 PM

I see you're in CT... I have had SS springs de-arched before at Super Spring in Hartford. They can also add sections if needed too. In the snubber, I think it's the 1" clearance more than anything else that is allowing it to bend. I try to get mine as close as 3/8" if there's no kids/load on it, and you cna reinforce the snubber base with 1/4" plate very easilly. And the floor... prob should reinforce that too... If it's bent and stretched you are allowing too much windup anyway.
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