383 to 440(69 superbee)

383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 01:57 AM

I am going to a 440 with a performer rpm intake and I was wondering if it would fit with the ramcharger hood and air cleaner set up?I want to keep the motor as stock looking as possible,and I will be running a holley 850.Thanks

Posted By: 340dart4spd

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 02:00 AM

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I am going to a 440 with a performer rpm intake and I was wondering if it would fit with the ramcharger hood and air cleaner set up?I want to keep the motor as stock looking as possible,and I will be running a holley 850.Thanks

pretty sure your going to have a little issue.....with the carb....

Posted By: 1hirschdalemopar

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 02:10 AM

Sorry,its a 440 block but it has the 4.250 crank and 7.100 rods so its a little bigger than a 440 cubic inch wise.But is the holley taller than the carter carb?

Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 02:21 AM

I beleive the 440 block is taller to start with. Also that intake is taller then stock. You may have to modify the air cleaner base to get it sitting lower. No isues without the air grabber. Maybe someone here has done this.?

Posted By: repad

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 02:24 AM

I don't think that you'll be able to use the ram air setup due to the fact that the fuel inlets on the holley will interfere with the air cleaner. Also not sure if you'll have enough clearance with the rpm to hood.

Posted By: 340dart4spd

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 02:30 AM

I am going to run into the same issue..have not crossed that bridge yet..gonna run the 383 I have until the 440 is done....

I am 100% sure I will deff need to change intake..LOL

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Posted By: 1hirschdalemopar

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 02:33 AM

Thanks for the replies,that a real bummer because I really want to run that set up,but maybe I will try for a modified air cleaner base or I may just have to come up with a different intake that performes close to the rpm intake.Any ideas on a different intake?

Posted By: 340dart4spd

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 02:36 AM

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Thanks for the replies,that a real bummer because I really want to run that set up,but maybe I will try for a modified air cleaner base or I may just have to come up with a different intake that performes close to the rpm intake.Any ideas on a different intake?

I intend to mock up stock application then do some simple math....

prob going to leave off air box..until later date....

Posted By: 1hirschdalemopar

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 02:42 AM

WOW,thats for sure.My brother is putting together a 69 cornet rt 440,4sp with that same hood set up with a holley carb with an older intake(thinks its a torker) single plane and it came on the car when he picked it up and everything fit ok,so he is going to call me with some ideas,but that could take a while and I want to know now.

Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 02:47 AM

I'm not sure but i beleive the air cleaner for the 440 cars is different from 383 cars. Lower profile. Look into that. Check your air cleaner against your brothers.

Posted By: 340dart4spd

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 02:49 AM

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I'm not sure but i beleive the air cleaner for the 440 cars is different from 383 cars. Lower profile. Look into that. Check your air cleaner against your brothers.

yes it is..the 440 one is shorter.. been there done that.....

Posted By: 1hirschdalemopar

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 02:56 AM

Thanks guys,now I am on the right track,just have to see if I can make the rpm intake work.I am not scared to make my own base if possible.

Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 03:06 AM

I'm sure some one here has done this. I think you'd need to modify the base in the fuel inlet area, maybe notch it. I know there's no hood clearence issue on this swap even with the intake. The performer is a bit shorter then the RPM is

Posted By: 1hirschdalemopar

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/05/10 03:17 AM

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I'm sure some one here has done this. I think you'd need to modify the base in the fuel inlet area, maybe notch it. I know there's no hood clearence issue on this swap even with the intake. The performer is a bit shorter then the RPM is

Thanks,Doug,I guess I will just have to get the motor in there and take some measurements.Maybe someone has done this same combo and has the secet code on how to do this.

Posted By: 1hirschdalemopar

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/06/10 04:04 AM

Has anyone ran the offenhuaser 360 daul plane # 5762?,or the holley street dominator,maybe they are lower rise,but I dont want to cork the motor off with a crappy intake.Any info on the torker II?They are a little lower than the rpm but not much.But anything helps at this point

Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/06/10 05:03 AM

the 440 decks are going to be ~.745" (3/4") taller than your 383 out at a 45 angle which will translate to less than 3/4" of a vertical height change. The street dominator is a tried & true intake and might not be the perfect intake for your app (I am not sure) but yes it is a (very) low profile piece and I dont think it would hurt you in your app.

Posted By: 1hirschdalemopar

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/06/10 05:23 AM

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the 440 decks are going to be ~.745" (3/4") taller than your 383 out at a 45 angle which will translate to less than 3/4" of a vertical height change. The street dominator is a tried & true intake and might not be the perfect intake for your app (I am not sure) but yes it is a (very) low profile piece and I dont think it would hurt you in your app.

Thanks rapidrob,I will look for more info on that intake,if ti is even close to the rpm I will run it for sure(its not a full blown drag car but I want it to be close on the street)

Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/06/10 05:37 AM

this is my low deck street dominator that's going on my 451. EDIT 20 yrs ago nationally known Mopar racer Bill Bagshaw made 511 horsepower w a 30 over 440 w 6 pack (2355) pistons (9.5:1 CR) HOME ported 906 heads w the MP 2.08/1.74 templates (plastic sheet patterns were cut out larger), a box stock 750 (4779) holley dp and you guessed it a street dominator intake

. You're not gonna be makin more than 511 are you

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Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/06/10 06:13 AM

The holley SD is a good intake, and likely won't see a 1/4 mile diff between it and the RPM in your application. However you didn't say what kind of heads, porting and cam specs. That's what tells us how serious your motor is about needing intake flow.

Posted By: 71383beep

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/06/10 03:42 PM

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The holley SD is a good intake, and likely won't see a 1/4 mile diff between it and the RPM in your application. However you didn't say what kind of heads, porting and cam specs. That's what tells us how serious your motor is about needing intake flow.

The SD is an excellent intake and does quite well in comparison to the RPM. Considering they are much cheaper because they are used it kind of sweetens the deal. However if you already have the RPM there is not going to be that huge of a difference between the 2.

Posted By: BSB67

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/06/10 03:57 PM

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Thanks guys,now I am on the right track,just have to see if I can make the rpm intake work.I am not scared to make my own base if possible.

I think this is the right approach. When you get to this point, you'll figure something out to make it work.

Posted By: 1hirschdalemopar

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/06/10 04:15 PM

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The holley SD is a good intake, and likely won't see a 1/4 mile diff between it and the RPM in your application. However you didn't say what kind of heads, porting and cam specs. That's what tells us how serious your motor is about needing intake flow.

I am going to deck the block and run the edelbrock rpm heads 84cc prepped by hughes,(racing valve job and seat grind,light bowl work,intake gasket match,and all stem heights equalized)they say its good to 627hp.My compession with a dish piston should be 10.5 to 1 at o deck and a .039 head gasket.I am tossed on cams but I think I am going with the comp. xe295hl dur. at .050 int.251 ex.257 .564 lift 1.5 roller rockers 110 lobe.I was thinking of 1.78 inch tti headers as well.I am looking for a nasty idle but I want this set up to last on the street for a long time.I was hoping for 550 to 600 hp.

Posted By: jhayes63

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 03/26/11 03:24 PM

I've got a 1969 383 Super Bee with the ramcharger setup. Currently it has a 1965 dated 383 with an Edelbrock intake and carb. The carb sits almost an 1" higher, so I took a repro base and shaved the bottom opening that sits on the carb until everything fit. I didn't have any issues with lines off of the carb or fuel linkage. Now I'm thinking about putting in a proper year 383 or 440. Did you get your 440 to work with the Ramcharger? I would be interested in hearing how your project ended up! And any insights into switching to a 440 with the ramcharger. Thanks!

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 03/26/11 03:35 PM

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I've got a 1969 383 Super Bee with the ramcharger setup. Currently it has a 1965 dated 383 with an Edelbrock intake and carb. The carb sits almost an 1" higher, so I took a repro base and shaved the bottom opening that sits on the carb until everything fit. I didn't have any issues with lines off of the carb or fuel linkage. Now I'm thinking about putting in a proper year 383 or 440. Did you get your 440 to work with the Ramcharger? I would be interested in hearing how your project ended up! And any insights into switching to a 440 with the ramcharger. Thanks!

The ductwork on the hood does not care what engine is under it , it's the same pieces , with a cutout for master cylinder clearance for the hemi engine also. what you found out is the air cleaner height is the deciding factor. you can put a 440 in there but be careful with manifold selection , you will have to modify that air cleaner you have more to kep it from hitting the hood .

Posted By: jhayes63

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 03/26/11 07:04 PM

Thanks! I wasn't sure if the carb would be more forward or to the rear to where it wouldn't fit into the ramcharger. I figured I could accomodate the difference in height as long as it wasn't too much. It seems like it would be ok.

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 03/26/11 11:34 PM

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Thanks! I wasn't sure if the carb would be more forward or to the rear to where it wouldn't fit into the ramcharger. I figured I could accomodate the difference in height as long as it wasn't too much. It seems like it would be ok.

The carb is in the same location front to rear/side to side.

Posted By: MLR426

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/27/12 09:44 PM

I realize I'm talking a 383 B engine and not to a 440 but so many have responed to this post I figure it was a good place to put since I wouldn't be hi jacking a current post.
It's been a while so I thought I would ask and get it started back up.
I'm now in this same funk!! I'm building a 512 stroker 400 base engine and the customer wants to keep his freshly restored and painted Ram Charger hood. But with limited choices of intakes, the engine will suffer performance and be bottle necked at the intake. What is the best intake selection with at this time to fit under the 69 superbee fiberglass, I know a 100 plus horsepower loss is coming...with the intake if the customer doesn't change his mind. I would like to use the 383 Torker 2. What is the difference in intake heights from Torker 2 to stock magnum 4 barrel ?

logan426

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/27/12 10:35 PM

On a low deck he has better intake choices , he won't be able to use something like an Indy single plane with a 2" spacer , but a performer RPM will definitely work, no matter what though the air cleaner baseplate will have to be modified .

Posted By: MLR426

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/28/12 03:22 PM

383 edelbrock Torker II / Performer RPM intake manifolds.
What company makes the drop down oval carb base plates and has anyone had one made for the above intakes and used with fiberglass duct work with 69 Ram Charger hood ??

logan426

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 383 to 440(69 superbee) - 02/28/12 03:39 PM

No one makes a drop down , you have to make it . Either start with a factory original and cut the carb horn and weld it back together or get the fiberglass one that member Paint it Black sells and modify it grafting in the base of a 14" drop base unit.

There is another thread I think in the resto forum where Jim Lusk showed a picture of an original he modified .

As long as you get it down low enough it will work with the duct work , I'll be doing one if I end up putting a wedge back into my 69 bee instead of the Hemi.