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Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight

Posted By: 318 Stroker

Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/16/10 07:25 PM

I have an Eddy headed 318 with the 340 Hi-po exhaust manifolds. The bolts loosen every time I drive it. Is it Ok to use Lock-Tite for this application? That's the only solution I can think of to solve the problem.
Posted By: 6superbee9

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/16/10 07:46 PM

If I was desparate I'd try lock washers (the ones that have the split in them). See what the more experienced guys come up with.
Posted By: 318 Stroker

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/16/10 07:50 PM

Yes, I am desperate. Driving me crazy. I had a hodge-podge of manifold bolts in there, and just recently purchased the correct set of fasteners, with the combination of sleeve-bolts, studs w/nuts, bolts, and cupped washers, and I'm still having the problem.
Posted By: dOoC

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/16/10 07:51 PM

I would NOT try lock-tite ... if the bolts/studs ever have to be removed ... you could mess-up the head. I would try some black or gold RTV and let it set-up well before using.
Posted By: 318 Stroker

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/16/10 07:53 PM

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I would NOT try lock-tite ... if the bolts/studs ever have to be removed ... you could mess-up the head. I would try some black or gold RTV and let it set-up well before using.




That's kinda what I was thinking, and that's why I asked before doing it. On the first set of fasteners I had lock washers, and that didn't work either.
Posted By: MoparJoe

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/16/10 07:55 PM

Yeah lock tite is fine just use the right type for the temp range, you could also try studs glued in with nuts that have locking threads.

I had a Toyota that would do the same thing, I ended up running studs with locktite and staked around the holes after the studs were in place to tighten them in more, I used nuts with locking threads too, they have waves in the treads so they bite into the threads of the stud.
Posted By: donbarnes

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/17/10 03:15 AM

Anyone else had this problem? Is it from the expansion rates on the aluminum heads? I just put mine back together with Eddy heads and had my 340 Hi-po manifolds Jet-Hot coated, hoping I don't end up with this problem. Totally-Stainless carries a washer that is supposed to be vibration proof, but they are imported from Sweden and cost over $3 each, and you can't use any other spacers or washers with them unless you put one on each side of the spacer- could get pricey..
Posted By: krw71ragtop

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/17/10 03:35 AM

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I have an Eddy headed 318 with the 340 Hi-po exhaust manifolds. The bolts loosen every time I drive it. Is it Ok to use Lock-Tite for this application? That's the only solution I can think of to solve the problem.




I use Permatex anti-seize lubricant #133K on my aluminum heads. You might also want to check your exhaust hangers and make sure the exhaust system isn't flopping around.
Posted By: 318 Stroker

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/17/10 03:59 AM

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I have an Eddy headed 318 with the 340 Hi-po exhaust manifolds. The bolts loosen every time I drive it. Is it Ok to use Lock-Tite for this application? That's the only solution I can think of to solve the problem.




I use Permatex anti-seize lubricant #133K on my aluminum heads. You might also want to check your exhaust hangers and make sure the exhaust system isn't flopping around.




I have a tti system and everything is tight. I idled the car for 15 minutes the last two nights, to warm it up, and I had some looseness to the fasteners. As the previous poster, "donbarnes" said, I think it has something to do with the different expansion rates. I can't think of any other solution besides using anti-seize.
Posted By: 318 Stroker

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/17/10 04:20 AM

I mentioned Lock-Tite in my original post, and anti-seize has also been mentioned. Does anti-seize have "locking" properties, or strictly "anti-seize" properties?
Posted By: MACDiesel

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/17/10 04:27 AM

You should MOST DEFINATELY be using anti-sieze on the threads. It doesn't make your spark plugs back out so it won't make your fasteners back out. (you are using it on your plugs right?) Anti-sieze is way cheaper than having to pull your heads and have them tapped for helicoils and replacing the head gaskets. Use it any time you use a steel fastener on an aluminum part.

Split type lock washers should stop the loosening. Studs are awesome because they go from course thread to fine thread which has better torque retention and vibration resistence. If you want the ultimate in torque retention you could always get bolts drilled for safety wire like the NASCAR and other racing guys do. If you do it right, the bolts CAN NOT MOVE. If your scared of lockwire then you can try Stage 8's locking bolts. They're pricey but they can't back out unless you disassemble them.

You have options. I like the mechanically locking hardware around high heat. Metal won't melt, plastic and chemicals will.

Try some new Grade 8 bolts and split lock washers first. That shouldn't cost more than $10.
Posted By: 318 Stroker

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/17/10 04:42 AM

Thanks for the advise. Yes, I am using anti-seize on the spark plugs.

I just spent good money buying the correct factory-style fastener kit for the hi-po manifolds. As I mentioned, it is a combination of sleeve-bolts, studs w/nuts, and bolts. I'm thinking of giving the anti-seize a try first, and if that doesn't work, anti-seize and lock-washers. I was using lock washers previously, and still had problems.
Posted By: MACDiesel

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/17/10 05:41 AM

The guy that mentioned different expansion rates nailed it. A lot of guys helicoil all the threaded holes right from the get go. You could try selling that original kit and get those Stage 8's. They have a e-clip groove cut into the wrench flats and locking tangs that slip over the bolt heads. The locking tangs have a 12 point hole so they can be positioned properly on the bolt head. Then you lock it in place with the e-clip. If the bolt loosens the tang will hit the manifold and stop the bolt from turning. So it can't loosen more than 1/12 turn. Pretty darned fail safe.

http://www.stage8.com/products_lhb.html

Safety wire works too.
Posted By: dOoC

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/17/10 05:41 AM

Hey 318 .. using anti-seize on these will make the problem WORSE.

I still say use a high-temp RTV and let it cure WELL before using.
Posted By: 70redbee

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/17/10 06:15 AM

If you have studs and nuts,try double nutting to keep them tight.
Posted By: therocks

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/17/10 01:07 PM

I use studs in my aluminum heads except for 1 or 2 that wont fit with headers.I use antisieze on them.2 years of street driving and they never come loose.I use the larger thick flat washers on mine also.Rocky
Posted By: boydsdodge

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/18/10 02:16 AM

How did you get them to fit? you must have done a ton of grinding to the heads.
I have a pair of Edelbrock closed chambers (04 vintage I think) and wanted to install my H/P manifolds, but no go unless I did a whole bunch of grinding.
Went with TTIs that slipped in easier then iron.
Never a leak or losen up.
Posted By: 318 Stroker

Re: Help--Exhaust Manifold bolts won't stay tight - 01/18/10 03:11 PM

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How did you get them to fit? you must have done a ton of grinding to the heads.
I have a pair of Edelbrock closed chambers (04 vintage I think) and wanted to install my H/P manifolds, but no go unless I did a whole bunch of grinding.
Went with TTIs that slipped in easier then iron.
Never a leak or losen up.




Yep, the driver side required grinding on the head. I had the motor built by a professional Mopar engine builder, and when I picked up the motor, I noticed the ground head.

Edelbrock claims that the heads are bolt-on, but you open up a whole can of worms when you use them. The heads are longer than stock, so you have to re-engineer the alternator bracket, as well as the above mentioned manifold problem.

The heads are great, performance-wise, but I'm almost wishing that I had used stock iron heads instead.
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