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727 Push Button Question
Posted By: Husker1
727 Push Button Question - 12/25/09 09:19 PM
i have two questions concerning my '65 b-body:
will a '64 727 pushbutton trans work in a '65? I know the '65 uses a different column than '66 and later.
does anybody make a adapter to connect a '65 column to a '66 and up 727?
thanks
Posted By: hemicar1971
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/25/09 10:13 PM
If you are talking about the Shifter for a Push button transmission there is an aftermarket shifter for the push button Transmission. I do not remember who makes this but I see it in many a car at the drag strip. This shifter I believe is to relocate the location to the middle of the car,much like all other Chrysler cars.
Posted By: dodgeram440
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/25/09 10:54 PM
I believe the 65 trans is a model all it's own. It is the last year for the push button shifter, but the first year for the slip yoke drive shaft. So to answer your first question, the 64 tranny won't work due to the differences in the drive shaft yoke. The 66 and up may work better for you, however, you'll need a different tranny mount and shifter. I swapped a newer 383/727 into a 65 Coronet 500 hardtop once many years ago. I used a B&M Megashifter and adapted it to the factory console and used a tranny crossmember from a 78 Cordoba to fit the tranny mount. The 65 mount was square and flat instead of the newer style, and I don't believe the old mount fit the new trannny. So I adapted.
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/25/09 10:55 PM
A '65 727 will work with the '64 pushbuttons but you'll have to change the valve body or install the PB roostercomb and manual valve in the '65 VB.
Imperial Services can convert your '64 pushbutton shifter to work on '66 and later transmissions.
http://www.imperialservices.net/Imperial%20Services%20-%20%2762-%2770%20B-Body%20Parts.htm
Posted By: RUNCHARGER
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/25/09 11:00 PM
Remember the 65 uses a slip yoke for the driveshaft, the 64 is ball and trunion.
Sheldon
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/25/09 11:17 PM
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i have two questions concerning my '65 b-body:
will a '64 727 pushbutton trans work in a '65? I know the '65 uses a different column than '66 and later.
does anybody make a adapter to connect a '65 column to a '66 and up 727?
thanks
64 tranny in stock form has a ball and trunion tailshaft, most guys switch to a 65 slip tail shaft which is a one year only.
as far as bellhousings, 62-65 all will work, all use cable shift.
from what i have heard that conversion from imperial services suck,too many problems related to the conversion,id pass on that and get the 65 tailshaft housing and keep it stock.
Posted By: Husker1
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/26/09 01:29 AM
I should have given a better description to start with - sorry. i have a '65 ply belvedere with a '78 727 (freshly rebuilt), i have a cheap floor shifter in it now. i would like to convert it back to the column (still has stock '65 two cable type) but am not sure the best way to do so. a '64 push button 727 just came up for sale or i have thought of finding a column from a '66 and up car to use the current trans linkage.
thanks for the help.
Posted By: RapidRobert
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/26/09 01:44 AM
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but am not sure the best way to do so. a '64 push button 727 just came up for sale or i have thought of finding a column from a '66 and up car to use the current trans linkage.
thanks for the help.
Per Kunkel's info the (stock pb vb)64 would not work w the shifter cable from your orig 65 column. Since you're up & running (w the 78 727) I'd find a 66 up col w the stock 66 up rod linkage and then you can lose the floor shifter.
Posted By: sam64
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/26/09 03:05 AM
64 65 use same valve body,65 was a one year trans,also one year cable shift column.64 trunion,65 slip yoke.65 small block trans are more available and cheaper,take a 64 big block main case,65 sb tail housing assembly and you can still use your d-shaft.
Posted By: dOc !
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/26/09 04:49 AM
Something to think-about and maybe digest ....
THINK about putting the complete push-button set-up IN the 65 B body.
I know of several people who have done-this ...and it does have a WOWfactor ..
Posted By: RapidRobert
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/26/09 05:00 AM
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take a 64 big block main case,65 sb tail housing assembly and you can still use your d-shaft.
64 only or will other years of BB main cases work? EDIT Did I misquote Kunkels info and a 64 PB trans (stock 64 VB) WILL in fact work w 65 column cable shifter? 
Posted By: dodgeram440
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/26/09 05:31 AM
I don't see why the 64 and 65 would be any different as far as the shift mechanism goes. They both have push button cable operated shifters. Although the original poster did mention his 65 is actually column shifted, I believe it still uses the cables. I know the 65 uses two cables: one to shift the gears, and one to control the park. The 64's should be the same. To the best of my limited knowledge, the ONLY difference between a 64 and 65 transmissions are the 64 has the ball and trunion tail and the 65 has a slip yoke. If the OP has both a 64 and a newer trans, he would just have to get the 64 rebuilt using the newer model tail shaft and housing. I only see two possible problems with this. I'm not sure if the park cable runs to the back of the actual case, or to the tail housing (it's been a long time since I've seen the set up). The second problem is the tranny mount. (On second thought, that is not actually a problem since that tranny is currently in the car. Never mind.)
Posted By: cantspel
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/26/09 03:38 PM
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If the OP has both a 64 and a newer trans, he would just have to get the 64 rebuilt using the newer model tail shaft and housing.
The 64 has a rear pump, so you can't just swap the mainshaft, and tailhousing. For ease of installation a 65 trans is the way to go. That 64 would require some minor surgery involving 65 parts to make it happen. Is a 66 column a viable option?
Posted By: Husker1
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/26/09 04:17 PM
i can get a column out of '66 and up car. what would be a bolt in? i have a decent junkyard to go to if i know what i need.
in an earlier post someone said the conversion sold by imperial services was not any good, does anybody else have any experience with this kit?
i would like to keep my current trans since i just had it rebuilt, so if possible one of the above options would be prefered.
Posted By: fshd4it
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/26/09 04:37 PM
I bought one of imperial's kits for my '65 bel II with a later trans. The cable seems to be a bit long and not very flexible; not sure about routing issues yet as I haven't been able to find headers that will work in my car with the small block. It also took over 5 months ( and multiple phone calls) to get it from them after I ordered/purchased it
Posted By: SportF
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/26/09 05:48 PM
I have been reading this post with interest. Not all 65's have the slip joint. All62-65 trans and the internals are interchangeable. I know someone will say the consul shifted models had a different rooster comb inside...but that has not been my experience the two times I have dealt with this. In addition, when you would order a manual valve body (when you could), they never asked whether consul or button, or column shifted, eh?
And, you can't mate the old with the new trans without alot of trouble, alot of trouble.
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/27/09 03:31 AM
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64 65 use same valve body,
Well, yes and no. The '64 console shift uses the same VB as a '65 but the '64 PB uses a different VB. The difference is in the roostercomb and the cable adapter, the cable adapter must batch the width of the retaining groove at the end of the cable.
All pre-'66 tailshafts and tailhousings can be swapped as a pair. See pic below.
ALL '65 727's have the slip yoke.
Posted By: RapidRobert
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/27/09 04:32 AM
Johm Kunkel do I have this correct: 64 pb vb is a diff vb than 64 console vb but 64 console vb is the same as 65 (console or column) vb ??. My 65 dart convertible had a b/t ujoint
Posted By: Husker1
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/27/09 05:13 AM
does anybody have any ideas on a bolt in column from a '66 and up car?
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/27/09 05:34 AM
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Johm Kunkel do I have this correct: 64 pb vb is a diff vb than 64 console vb but 64 console vb is the same as 65 (console or column) vb ??.
Yes. The PB has only 5 gear positions with a separate Park lever, the console/column VB has the 6th position for Park.
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My 65 dart convertible had a b/t ujoint
Your Dart has a 904 trans, all pre-'66 904's had the B&T. My comment was about the 727.
Posted By: dodgeram440
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/27/09 04:44 PM
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Johm Kunkel do I have this correct: 64 pb vb is a diff vb than 64 console vb but 64 console vb is the same as 65 (console or column) vb ??.
Yes. The PB has only 5 gear positions with a separate Park lever, the console/column VB has the 6th position for Park.
My 65 Coronet had a console shifter with two cables, one going to the regular shift lever location, and one going to the back of the case. So it sounds like my console shift was set up like your pb shift?
Posted By: beepsalot
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/27/09 10:56 PM
if it was me, i'd just get a 65 floor shift column. you already have a working trans in the car
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/28/09 01:59 AM
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I should have given a better description to start with - sorry. i have a '65 ply belvedere with a '78 727 (freshly rebuilt), i have a cheap floor shifter in it now. i would like to convert it back to the column (still has stock '65 two cable type) but am not sure the best way to do so. a '64 push button 727 just came up for sale or i have thought of finding a column from a '66 and up car to use the current trans linkage.
thanks for the help.
If you have a '78 or even a '68 torqueflite,it does not use a 2 cable shifter 
Posted By: RapidRobert
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/28/09 02:09 AM
Now I remember my 65 dart w floor shifter had 2 cables as I cut both of them (yeah I know)I shouldn't have. On the pb/console/col VB tangent I am now thoroughly confused on which is which
. The OP is up & running w a '78 727. I'd get a '66 up steering col w std rod linkage.
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/28/09 02:15 AM
Posted By: dodgeram440
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/28/09 03:14 AM
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I should have given a better description to start with - sorry. i have a '65 ply belvedere with a '78 727 (freshly rebuilt), i have a cheap floor shifter in it now. i would like to convert it back to the column (still has stock '65 two cable type) but am not sure the best way to do so. a '64 push button 727 just came up for sale or i have thought of finding a column from a '66 and up car to use the current trans linkage.
thanks for the help.
If you have a '78 or even a '68 torqueflite,it does not use a 2 cable shifter
I think the issue is that Husker1 (the OP) is wanting to get rid of his aftermarket floor shifter and go back to his original column shifter. Here he is weighing the option of replacing the transmission using a 64 tranny that he has found, so he can retain the stock column and use the original 2 cable shifter, or replace the column with a 66 model and use the tranny he currently has. Looks like he has some work ahead of him either way he goes. His best option all around is to just find a 65 transmission, then he doesn't have to adapt anything to make it work.
Posted By: Husker1
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/29/09 03:29 AM
thanks dodgeram440, i would still like to know what it would take to swap to a '66 and up column. i need to take a trip to the junk yard and look at what is available.
Posted By: dodgeram440
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/29/09 04:47 AM
No problem Husker. It just aggrevates me sometimes when people don't read the posts they respond to, or just don't even offer any kind of reasonable answer to the questions asked. I admit I may not always offer the best answer, but at least I always try to answer the question to the best of my ability and understanding.
As great as the advice is usually here, I think sometimes a question comes up that no one has run into before, and I think that may be the issue here. It's possible that no one has had to, or wanted to, swap a 66 column into a 65. In a case like this, I think your best bet is to just go to the yard and look at a 66 and see how it compares.
The issues to look for, as I see it, are going to be overall length, how it bolts to the dash, the floorboard, and the connection to the steering shaft or box. The wiring shouldn't be too much of an issue as both cars still have the ignition key in the dashboard.
One other thing to grab from the 66 car would be the complete shift linkage from the column to the tranny, including any bushings and pivot points attached to the frame and engine/bellhousing. Also expect to do some fabrication. It may not fall right into place.
Good luck with the project!
BTW, what kind of aftermarket shifter do you have and why do you wanna get rid of it?
Posted By: Husker1
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 12/29/09 06:01 PM
it is a hurst v-matic, came in the car when i bought it. for a street car it is pain - push this and pull that just to get it into drive. i want the interior to look like a A-990 car when i'm finished (like SUPERSTOCKRACER's car above - very nice BTW).
Posted By: GVH
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 06/29/18 07:29 PM
will cables from a console car work with push buttons ?
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 06/29/18 09:47 PM
No. Both ends are different.
Posted By: Cab_Burge
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 06/30/18 12:17 AM
No. Both ends are different.
been there done that on customers car at the races a long time ago, he swapped parts around and got the wrong tranny in 1965 A990 hemi car
The cable end, rooster comb and I think the manual selector valve in the valve body needs to match, at least it did in that car
Posted By: pushbutton
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 06/30/18 02:56 AM
Seems I read somewhere that the shift cables for a 64 console car and the cables for a 65 col.shift car are the same. right or wrong?
Posted By: Cab_Burge
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 06/30/18 03:18 AM
I believe your correct, it has been a long time, 20Yrs+, since I worked on any of those cars
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 06/30/18 08:44 PM
Seems I read somewhere that the shift cables for a 64 console car and the cables for a 65 col.shift car are the same. right or wrong?
No, different cable ends and way different in length. Column cable has a short run from the column to the case but the console cable has to loop forward and then back into the case.
Posted By: pushbutton
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 07/01/18 12:46 AM
Thanks fo clearing that up.
Posted By: moparx
Re: 727 Push Button Question - 07/01/18 04:52 PM
is there anyone out there making custom length cables for the shifter end ? or would i be better off shortening an original cable ?
Thanks "SPECIAL K" 