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Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product???

Posted By: OSO

Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 09:15 AM

I am looking for a trans setup to go behind my new motor just sold my 727 and Gear vendors. Because the gearing even with the low gear set just wasn't working out. To high of a first gear and still to low of a final gear ratio with the GV unit and 4.56.
So i was looking at the T56 magnum or the road and track version not out yet and the auto . The auto would have a big gap in between 1st and 2nd but i will be running more Hp and Tq with the 426 so it might pull through it quicker.
So question is if your running any of Keisler products how do you like it what would you change about it and how has the experience with Keisler been? If you got something to say and don't/cant post it send me a pm please. If you have input on a trans selection please post.

Are there other dealers or is dealing directly with keisler the only way to get the product.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI2fGeL7DEE
Posted By: DennisH

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 12:05 PM

Uh oh. This is gonnaa be interesting.

TKO 5 Speed behind 440. 500 HP. 354 Dana.
5 years. 25,000 miles. No problems. Sweet loafing on the freeway.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 02:51 PM

James,....I've installed many of Keisler various transmission offerings within the last decade in my vehicles as well as customers vehicles, mostly Mopar, along with a few Ford and Chevy applications as well,....I generally prefere the TKO 600 5spd w/.64 OD,....if your looking at the auto set up keep in mind it's a .70 OD......the T56 will take the brunt of up to 600HP


As far as dealing with Keisler, sure I've heard of peoples fustrations in varing aspects, but from MY PERSONAL experiences I've never encountered any problems in poor product(s) or customer service,.....I've had a few orders that may have had a missing or incorrect kit part, but it was rectified with a phone call, Gene,Richard, and Jeff as well as Shafi have allways been more than courteous and professional over the years


As far as the products quality, I've trashed the crap out of every tranny supplied by Keisler, on the street as well as the track, and have yet to experience a transmission failure/breakage,.....I had experienced a hyd bearing failure, but that was on a 5yr old system, that had seen countless thrashings on the street and track, and was installed in a clutch set-up that Keisler hadn't recommended for use with that clutch/disc (plus it was at a power shift at around 6000+ RPM)

All I can recommend is if you decide a Keisler transmission is your choice, take their advice on the proper application, and regardless of your skill/experience level, if you can't perform various aspects of the installation, have someone that can,...the two most importantant aspects of the installation are bellhousing dial in, and driveline angle,.....if your not interested in POSSIBLE modifications to your vehicle (ex. crossmember,floor mods,etc) to make the transmission "fit" and function properly then stick with a stock set-up, but if your looking for a versatile transmission to meet your requirements, Keisler will have an application to your liking


Mike

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Posted By: 5spdcuda

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 03:27 PM

I've got approx. 40,000 miles on mine. It's an earlier TKO-1. The ratios in the newer TKO 600's are better IMO. The 1st. gear in the older -1's has a little too much gear reduction and a pretty big gap between 1st.& 2nd. Mine has .68 OD the 600 is .64. The transmission has been trouble free. I thought I might have had a problem with it once and Keisler was very cooperative. It turned out to be a clutch problem, a broken spring in the disk prevented proper disengagement. I bought a new clutch from them at discount and free shipping. This was after over 35,000 miles of hard use. When I first bought the transmission they sent me an early "E" body version that couldn't have been made to fit properly even with serious chassis modifications. They took it back without argument and paid shipping both ways. With "E" bodies and I suspect '71 & '72 "B" bodies you may as Dayclona said still have to perform some modifications to get an ideal driveline angle even with the newer versions. "E" bodies also use an external linkage to connect to the internal rail shifter. As you might guess anytime you add more pieces to a linkage system it doesn't improve the shift quality no matter how well designed it is. Of course most conversions don't require the external addition and should have better shift quality. When it comes to power shifting, a slick shift modified 833 is still hard to beat. All in all Dayclona said it pretty well, you have to know how to dial indicate a bellhousing and in some cases be prepared to make a few mods in order to get an ideal driveline angle.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 03:53 PM

You may want to hold off shopping for a while, Jamie Passon is cooking up a bolt in 5 speed for Mopars, sounds pretty interesting from what I've heard so far.

Posted By: 1969gtx

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 04:13 PM

hi keieler has no custmer service at all
thats my
Posted By: MadMatt

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 05:34 PM

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You may want to hold off shopping for a while, Jamie Passon is cooking up a bolt in 5 speed for Mopars, sounds pretty interesting from what I've heard so far.






That sounds VERY interesting. Can you share any details or hints at all about what's coming??
Posted By: 05dakota

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 05:39 PM

understatement of the year.

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hi keieler has no custmer service at all
thats my


Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 05:45 PM

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That sounds VERY interesting. Can you share any details or hints at all about what's coming??




There was a thread on the subject here on Moparts not too long ago, I'll see if I can find it

Here you go (and I'm not talking about the McCloud unit, Passons is mentioned a few pages in)

Passon 5 speed
Posted By: ThermoQuad

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 06:42 PM

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hi keieler has no customer service at all
thats my



That is the quote of the year
OK Dayclona tell us idiots how we are full of hot air
Please sign yourself up for my road course event and put your car where your mouth is.
Thunder Road

I have a fast fish that loves watermelon

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Posted By: 72roadrunnergtx

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 06:45 PM

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understatement of the year.

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hi keieler has no custmer service at all
thats my






Funny, that wasn't my experience at all, in my case it was roughly 2 and a half years between the initial purchase/shipment and the point in time when I could provide them a measurement for the custom made driveline. I found it necessary to contact them several times to sort out a few minor problems piecing the kit together or to just ask questions. Some of the clutch master cylinder bracing parts were missing from the initial shipment, missing speedo gear, and a fitting on the hydraulic line was incorrectly positioned. Support was very helpful each time, correct or missing parts were promptly sent out at their expense regardless of the time passed.
About 3k trouble free miles on my TKO-600 now, love it. I would buy from them again in a heartbeat.
Posted By: cupcake

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 06:50 PM

i have there trans no problemo cons service is for pepole that dont no how to work on there car??
Posted By: VanishPt

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 07:11 PM

i have their tk600 behind a 511 Hemi and am using a Dana 3.73 set up. Works great . I probably have about 15k miles on it. I use the Spec 3+ clutch.I would buy from them again. Richard is great to deal with.
BTW, I switched from a 727 with a GearVendors . If i were in the market for a new trans, i would REALLY look at their auto combo. I would much rather have an auto with a decent od ratio.

Posted By: Hrtbkr

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 07:31 PM

I've had a TKO from Keisler in my Challenger since '01. It's got about 60K on it. I had some major issues getting it to fit in my car and there's still some vibration issues at speed. I tried to talk to a Keisler rep about it at the Nats last year and was gently escorted from their spot.
Everyone I've talked to (about 12) who installed a Keisler in an E-body has had to do tunnel mods.
For me, support from Keisler has been spotty. I think some people (like Dayclona) get excellent service. If you're just a schmoo like me, working on your own car on jack stands in your one car garage-maybe not so much.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 08:56 PM

I think some people (like Dayclona) get excellent service. If you're just a schmoo like me, working on your own car on jack stands in your one car garage-maybe not so much. {quote}

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Sorry to dissapoint you, but the service(s) I've gotten from my first purchase many years ago, and from any current purchases, I get the same service as anyone else, which IMHO has allways been courteous, prompt, and satisfactory to resolve any questions or issuses, I get no freebies or special treatment.....then again some people are all "thumbs" when it comes to installations, if they can't install it with a hammer and duct tape, they become fustrated at their own inabilities, (insert purple barracuda).....I've had no issuses with A,B,or E body installs, nor the Ford or Chevy application I've done, but I'm willing to alter the car for the application, that's what hotrod'n is all about



And as far as you being a "schmoo (that's your own words) working on your own car on jackstands",... I don't have a pit crew working for me either bud! and yeah, I do things the hard way sometimes too....the pic below is the first time the TKO 600 was out in 5 yrs for a hyd. TO bearing, plus I upgraded to the Wilwood hyd master, 1 man job under 2 hrs

Mike

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Posted By: OSO

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 09:36 PM

Thanks for the responses its good to see comments without the sugar coating.

No problems here cutting or building on my rig, just want to know their products will do what they say.

Spent close to 5 grand with TCI before i knew better only to get what turned out to be a stock transmission 2 bad torque converters and no warranty and bad workmanship and shyit for service, But i did learn how to build a 727

Just don't want to go through the same thing with Keslier. Tci had me ready to drive up there and go postal.

If their products are good i can look past the your money and your ride are not worthy of our products attitude (over the phone). I don't expect to get 50k miles out of anyone's products but 20-30k would be nice. It takes a lot of strength for a trans to stay together while moving 5380lbs down the track for a mid 12 . Then you add the stop light to stop light and top end runs i like. Nothing ever last to long . I just don't want to get another store bought trans in and have it fail in under 500 miles and then be told well the trucks heavy and our trans wasn't really made for that.

All advice is appreciated!!!!



Sorry i am long winded
Posted By: broncobra

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/25/09 09:51 PM

Seriously Dayclona. Please don't lie to us! I've seen the pictures in the magazines of the Excellent looking, and very capable helper that you have the good fortune to be wrenching with! That alone would inspire me to be able to do a 6 hour job in 2 hours also! lol. Just to prove my manability. Anyway, the Gear Vendors DOES advertise their stuff as maybe needing a little tunnel hammer tweaking, and I thought the Keisler was supposed to be a bolt in deal? I have no dog in this fight, as I bought a GV a while back, and have yet to install it on my automatic.
Posted By: ahy

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/26/09 12:34 AM

I've got a TKO600 in a '70 Challenger behind a BB. The kit was complete and the instructions for tunnel mods were clear. I put the hump in (auto car) and made the mods for early "E's" per instructions. With a stack of washers under the tranny mount I got the driveline angles dialed right in with trans clearance to spare. I did have a shifter with an incompletly drilled mounting hole. It was returned and quickly rectified.

Mine had the early shifter mechanism (around 2002/3) that sometines buzzed. I talked to the guys and got a better later model shifter upgrade at reasonable cost.

The transmission works great; its loads of fun to drive and has been trouble free.

I would deal with Keisler again.
Posted By: OSO

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/26/09 12:38 AM

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Seriously Dayclona. Please don't lie to us! I've seen the pictures in the magazines of the Excellent looking, and very capable helper that you have the good fortune to be wrenching with! That alone would inspire me to be able to do a 6 hour job in 2 hours also! lol. Just to prove my manability. Anyway, the Gear Vendors DOES advertise their stuff as maybe needing a little tunnel hammer tweaking, and I thought the Keisler was supposed to be a bolt in deal? I have no dog in this fight, as I bought a GV a while back, and have yet to install it on my automatic.


The Gear vendors unit had some problems in my application but the customer service and warranty was second to none. Good product with good people behind it.
Posted By: cogen80

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/26/09 01:17 AM

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You may want to hold off shopping for a while, Jamie Passon is cooking up a bolt in 5 speed for Mopars, sounds pretty interesting from what I've heard so far.







i agree



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JamiePasson
super street


Reged: Apr 24 2003
Loc: Sugarloaf, PA. USA
Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: theclutcher]
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Well,
I was not going to say anything just yet, BUT I feel that in light of the recent buzz about the McLeod trans, I guess it won’t hurt.

For a couple years now, we have been working on a NEW 5 Speed trans for Chrysler cars. We were not aware that McLeod was also doing it.

This is a clean sheet project. In other words, we are building this from the ground up. Due to our extensive experience with the cars that it must fit into, our individual designs that we will be offering will make installation easy. In fact, we feel that it will be something that the average guy can put in their car in just a few hours.

This unit will be a BOLT IN!!!!!!! No monkey business with driveline angles, notching torsion bar crossmembers, redrilling bellhouisngs, changing clutches. You will retain your ORIGINAL shifter handle in the ORIGINAL location. The unit will look like it came from the factory in the car. It will be a HURST style shifter arrangement with external linkage, just like the design of shifter that these great cars left the factory with.

There will be an A Body trans
There will be a B Body trans (‘63- ‘69)
There will be a'70 - UP B/E Body trans.

You will use your ORIGINAL driveshaft and yoke
You will use your ORIGINAL transmission crossmember and trans mount
You will use your ORIGINAL bellhousing
You will use your ORIGINAL flywheel,
You will use your ORIGINAL clutch and throwout bearing (18 spline only)

The unit WILL fit under the floor pan with no modifications.

Due to the simplicity here, it WILL be as easy as changing the trans. Truly an afternoon job.

As for cost… I can tell you this, it will not be $2300.00, HOWEVER, I feel that the price will be fair considering that the unit is MADE for the car. Versus taking an existing trans and trying to shoehorn it in and not cut the car as other manufacturers have tried in the past.

To accomplish the project, we have drawn on the years of gear cutting experience from our partner GFI. This is the organization that we have been working with our very successful Hemi OD project. They have a brand new CNC gear cutting facility that WE will be manufacturing the units.in.

And now for the BEST part…….

IT IS MANUFACTURED IN THE USA!

There will be more to come….

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Passon Performance
309 Turkey Path
Sugarloaf, PA 18249
(570) 401 8949
www.passonperformance.com


Posted By: MadMatt

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/26/09 07:01 PM

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.....I've had no issuses with A,B,or E body installs, nor the Ford or Chevy application I've done, but I'm willing to alter the car for the application, that's what hotrod'n is all about
Mike




Can you enlighten me regarding your A Body install experiences? I don't mind some cutting and fabbing, but I'm concerned about the amount of cutting necessary on the torsion bar crossmember. I have a photo (see attachment) from Richard at Keisler of the necessary cuts and they look downright scary strength-wise. How do you reinforce this area? Or do you...

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Posted By: coronet1966d

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/26/09 07:35 PM

has anyone ever swapped one into an older full size ram?
Posted By: OSO

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/26/09 08:39 PM

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has anyone ever swapped one into an older full size ram?



If they did i want to know what tail shaft housing they used. The Srt 10 uses a t56 but the shifter mount is to far forward add the height of the shifter handle and its almost useless for a race application.

Does anyone have the measurement of a small block bell housing that Keisler uses or if you have the magnum t56 with the multi shifter location what is the measurement from block face to center of the furthest handle location?

Ideal location would be about 6 inches further back than the stock location of the srt 10 or dodge ram with a manual.
Pictures are of the stock shifter location on a srt 10 with a 3-4 inch shorter shifter handle.


Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/26/09 09:04 PM

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.....I've had no issuses with A,B,or E body installs, nor the Ford or Chevy application I've done, but I'm willing to alter the car for the application, that's what hotrod'n is all about
Mike




Can you enlighten me regarding your A Body install experiences? I don't mind some cutting and fabbing, but I'm concerned about the amount of cutting necessary on the torsion bar crossmember. I have a photo (see attachment) from Richard at Keisler of the necessary cuts and they look downright scary strength-wise. How do you reinforce this area? Or do you...



Thats freakin crazy I have seen a few other "slight"modifications before but that is the first A-body "no hack job" installation that they advertise. I made less of a hole to put the huge Richmond in my car.
I would stay away from cutting that much off of your T-bar member.
Gus
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/26/09 09:18 PM

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Thats freakin crazy I have seen a few other "slight"modifications before but that is the first A-body "no hack job" installation that they advertise. I made less of a hole to put the huge Richmond in my car.
I would stay away from cutting that much off of your T-bar member.
Gus




Right, and precisely why I'll never run one in my Duster, there's no way in hades that I'll be hacking up the floor of a real 340 car like that even though an extra gear would be nice. I'll just wait to see what Jamie comes up with.

Posted By: MadMatt

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/26/09 11:16 PM

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Right, and precisely why I'll never run one in my Duster, there's no way in hades that I'll be hacking up the floor of a real 340 car like that even though an extra gear would be nice. I'll just wait to see what Jamie comes up with.






Same goes for me!! I'll wait for Jamie.

Just wish he'd hurry...
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 12:03 AM

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Right, and precisely why I'll never run one in my Duster, there's no way in hades that I'll be hacking up the floor of a real 340 car like that even though an extra gear would be nice. I'll just wait to see what Jamie comes up with.






Same goes for me!! I'll wait for Jamie.

Just wish he'd hurry...








Well that's the dilema in hodrodding a car with anything aftermarket, Mopar guys want the bolt-on no mods needed upgrades,....in the real world that's not the case regardless of the application,....if your worried about paint daubs, numbers, originality, so-called value,....then keep it stock, I have no regard for numbers, or originality, I modify the machine, which it is IMHO, to accept any upgrades I deem,.....I see no big deal in cutting away a crossmember to gain clearance, the big issuse is doing nothing to add re-enforcements.....when it's all said and done, it's under the carpet, who cares!....really?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 12:17 AM

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Well that's the dilema in hodrodding a car with anything aftermarket, Mopar guys want the bolt-on no mods needed upgrades,....in the real world that's not the case regardless of the application,....if your worried about paint daubs, numbers, originality, so-called value,....then keep it stock





Rather narrow one sided viewpoint you have there! I say you are mistaken, all it takes are the right parts to make a true bolt in work and changing back to "Paint Daub Correct" a worry free possibility and it sounds like those parts aren't too far around the corner. If you wish to go on hacking stuff up in the name of customizing go for it, I'll choose to be patient and wait for the right parts to come along.

BTW, aren't you the guy building the RTS Cuda clone? Do you plan on putting a Kiesler in that? Are you building it in your driveway or did you get a shop since you no longer work for Pam & Gary? Have you built anything since you worked for them? Post some pics if you have any.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/27/09 12:28 AM

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I am looking for a trans set up to go behind my motor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI2fGeL7DEE






James,... if the RT T56 is what your looking for, and shifter location is a main concern, contact Keisler directly, either Gene.Richard,Jeff or Shafi can supply you with a print via email,...I had a T56 print at 1 time, IIRC there's 3 options for location from Keisler, that may or may not apply to the DB on the RT T56, call to confirm

Mike
Posted By: MadMatt

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 03:39 AM

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I modify the machine, which it is IMHO, to accept any upgrades I deem,.....I see no big deal in cutting away a crossmember to gain clearance, the big issuse is doing nothing to add re-enforcements.....when it's all said and done, it's under the carpet, who cares!....really?




My car is not stock and has numerous modifications - all of which I like to think were carefully and tastefully executed.

However, while you see no big deal in cutting away the cross member that retains the torsion bars I think it is a pretty serious issue, considering what would happen if it were to fail while you were driving the vehicle at speed. I agree the issue is adding reinforcements, which is why my original post to you asked you what you have done on your A-body installs. Since you apparently have the hands-on experience can you tell me SPECIFICALLY what you did to reinforce the x-member after you cut those portions away?
Posted By: OSO

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 03:53 AM

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I modify the machine, which it is IMHO, to accept any upgrades I deem,.....I see no big deal in cutting away a crossmember to gain clearance, the big issuse is doing nothing to add re-enforcements.....when it's all said and done, it's under the carpet, who cares!....really?




My car is not stock and has numerous modifications - all of which I like to think were carefully and tastefully executed.

However, while you see no big deal in cutting away the cross member that retains the torsion bars I think it is a pretty serious issue, considering what would happen if it were to fail while you were driving the vehicle at speed. I agree the issue is adding reinforcements, which is why my original post to you asked you what you have done on your A-body installs. Since you apparently have the hands-on experience can you tell me SPECIFICALLY what you did to reinforce the x-member after you cut those portions away?



Durability and shifter location are the two main factors. I was going to order the t56 magnum months ago but they were unsure of the measurements of the bell housing so it was still a guess and it was weeks before it would ship same with auto so i rebuilt my 727. Called again about the new trans and again no details other than they wont know any thing until next month. Hell if you can get the info i need i will buy the damn thing from you!

Im ready to put the truck back to stock and make a 15k dollar table out of the motor
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 04:21 AM

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Well that's the dilema in hodrodding a car with anything aftermarket, Mopar guys want the bolt-on no mods needed upgrades,....in the real world that's not the case regardless of the application,....if your worried about paint daubs, numbers, originality, so-called value,....then keep it stock





Rather narrow one sided viewpoint you have there! I say you are mistaken, all it takes are the right parts to make a true bolt in work and changing back to "Paint Daub Correct" a worry free possibility and it sounds like those parts aren't too far around the corner. If you wish to go on hacking stuff up in the name of customizing go for it, I'll choose to be patient and wait for the right parts to come along.

BTW, aren't you the guy building the RTS Cuda clone? Do you plan on putting a Kiesler in that? Are you building it in your driveway or did you get a shop since you no longer work for Pam & Gary? Have you built anything since you worked for them? Post some pics if you have any.








Maybe you should get your facts straight Harms, Gary and Pam weren't my employers, they were former CUSTOMERS,.....and what you never worked in your driveway, my garage is Filled to capacity, and if you've seen any of my past posts, I think you've seen I been rather busy with quite a few customers cars,.....unlike some, I have plently of customers and work,.......what this has to do with a Keisler post?, I don't know, but you felt it was of concern,......I guess you can sleep soundly now .....but hey that RTS clone sounds like a good project , I'll keep it in mind, you have any pics? or maybe I could cut a nice numbers 340 Duster to make an RTS Duster, that's about the only Duster I ever saw that was appealing.....I'd put a Keisler in that!

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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 04:51 AM

What's the matter Mike? I must have hit a nerve?...Careful now, your true colors are showing again.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 04:57 AM

Durability and shifter location are the two main factors. I was going to order the t56 magnum months ago but they were unsure of the measurements of the bell housing so it was still a guess and it was weeks before it would ship same with auto so i rebuilt my 727. Called again about the new trans and again no details other than they wont know any thing until next month. Hell if you can get the info i need i will buy the damn thing from you!
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James, ...I don't know what the issuses are with the bellhousing dems,...you say you've built a 426 motor, is this a vintage HEMI BB, or a 6.1 3rd gen HEMI, which would use a modified SmBlk Mopar bellhousing?.....which has been done many times over by Keisler....either way, IMHO I'd wait on Keisler if you want the RT T56, as this sounds like what you want,....as far as the Passon 5spd could be a long time down the road?
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 05:02 AM

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What's the matter Mike? I must have hit a nerve?...Careful now, your true colors are showing again.








No nerve hitting, just wanted you to be properly informed ......I wouldn't want you to have a restless sleep over it....nighty nite!


By the way,....you want to sell that 340 numbers Duster you have?....I was thinkin of a great project
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 05:09 AM

I don't own a numbers matching 340 Duster Mike, but thanks for the offer anyway.

Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 05:14 AM

Right, and precisely why I'll never run one in my Duster, there's no way in hades that I'll be hacking up the floor of a real 340 car like that even though an extra gear would be nice.










Numbers smumbers, it dosen't matter, sounds like it could be a nice project,....not for sale?,....I have a Keisler TKO 600 sitting in the garage, still in the box, set up for an A body, seriously,....sounds like it could be a nice driveway project
Posted By: OSO

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 05:19 AM

Modified 6.1, I have been battling transmission issues for a year and a half now. Really need a vendor that can back there product not just say they will. If there is a weak spot on the transmission im going to find it.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 05:33 AM

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Numbers smumbers, it dosen't matter, sounds like it could be a nice project,....not for sale?,....I have a Keisler TKO 600 sitting in the garage, still in the box, set up for an A body, seriously,....sounds like it could be a nice driveway project




Oh it's a real 340 car alright, has the original fender tag, body stampings, and a VIN tag, but the original engine and trans are MIA, so it's not a numbers matching car anymore. If you really have your heart set on it I'll sell it to you Mike, but I don't think you'd like my price. Tell you what, show up at my door with a bag of cash and we'll work the details out. Once you own it you can hack it all you want, after all, it's just another junky old A-body, who'd care?

Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 05:50 AM

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Modified 6.1, I have been battling transmission issues for a year and a half now. Really need a vendor that can back there product not just say they will. If there is a weak spot on the transmission im going to find it.






I could only think the reason Keisler is holding you up on buying the RT T56, is they're waiting to "package" it for production, as perhaps some of the componets for installation are still 1 off pcs,....the TKO in my Daytona (70B Body) was a preproduction peice from Keisler, it was purchased from Shafi on the basis of customer feedback, and what mods I needed to perform to get it in the car, and what issuses I encountered.....Keisler has had Alpha and Beta test installs done by a handful of customers over the years to further their developement/redesign on production models,.....so perhaps that may be another reason for the delay,.....or perhaps theres a possibility your vehicle could be a pretest bed for the RT T56,....contact Keisler directly, Shafi's Email is listed on their site, if anyone is going to make it happen, as Shafi is the owner


And as far as a vendor backing their product, from my PERSONAL experience, Keisler has never failed in that aspect, in fact they've allways gone to extremes to rectify any issuses that may have occured,...which were usually minor in nature, James I'm the kinda guy that if I like a certain product, I have no issuses endorseing it, I don't like wasteing my time or money either, I don't have nothing to gain endorseing the use of a Keisler transmission, I've played with the Gear Vendors auto and manual set-ups, they did nothing for me performance, or reliability wise, and they had their installation issuses too,.....until somebody comes out with someting better than a Keisler built OD,....which I doubt, I'm a firm supporter of their product


Mike
Posted By: OSO

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 06:03 AM

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Modified 6.1, I have been battling transmission issues for a year and a half now. Really need a vendor that can back there product not just say they will. If there is a weak spot on the transmission im going to find it.






I could only think the reason Keisler is holding you up on buying the RT T56, is they're waiting to "package" it for production, as perhaps some of the componets for installation are still 1 off pcs,....the TKO in my Daytona (70B Body) was a preproduction peice from Keisler, it was purchased from Shafi on the basis of customer feedback, and what mods I needed to perform to get it in the car, and what issuses I encountered.....Keisler has had Alpha and Beta test installs done by a handful of customers over the years to further their developement/redesign on production models,.....so perhaps that may be another reason for the delay,.....or perhaps theres a possibility your vehicle could be a pretest bed for the RT T56,....contact Keisler directly, Shafi's Email is listed on their site, if anyone is going to make it happen, as Shafi is the owner


And as far as a vendor backing their product, from my PERSONAL experience, Keisler has never failed in that aspect, in fact they've allways gone to extremes to rectify any issuses that may have occured,...which were usually minor in nature, James I'm the kinda guy that if I like a certain product, I have no issuses endorseing it, I don't like wasteing my time or money either, I don't have nothing to gain endorseing the use of a Keisler transmission, I've played with the Gear Vendors auto and manual set-ups, they did nothing for me performance, or reliability wise, and they had their installation issuses too,.....until somebody comes out with someting better than a Keisler built OD,....which I doubt, I'm a firm supporter of their product


Mike



Be happy to test it hell i would pay to test the damn thing you seem to have a good history with them tell them to pull it out of his Dakota and send it my way. SERIOUSLY!!!! DO IT!
Posted By: patrick

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 06:52 PM

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Modified 6.1, I have been battling transmission issues for a year and a half now. Really need a vendor that can back there product not just say they will. If there is a weak spot on the transmission im going to find it.




lenco? jericho? that much power and that much weight, that's what I'd probably start looking at.

don't bother with the keisler auto, it's a modded GM 4L65E. if I were going to run a GM tranny, it would be a beefed 4L80E

I'd actually look at fitting an A580 out of an LX car. they're very strong trannies. M-B has put them behind some very beefy AMG spec V8's and V12's in heavy cars...
Posted By: OSO

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/27/09 09:15 PM

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Modified 6.1, I have been battling transmission issues for a year and a half now. Really need a vendor that can back there product not just say they will. If there is a weak spot on the transmission im going to find it.




lenco? jericho? that much power and that much weight, that's what I'd probably start looking at.

don't bother with the keisler auto, it's a modded GM 4L65E. if I were going to run a GM tranny, it would be a beefed 4L80E

I'd actually look at fitting an A580 out of an LX car. they're very strong trannies. M-B has put them behind some very beefy AMG spec V8's and V12's in heavy cars...


Looking into the Nag-1 now just need to see what i can do about a controller. lenco would be cool as hell with a PLC controlling them through air shifters. The Jericho i will have to read up on .
Thanks for the input.
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/28/09 01:29 AM

Have you looked into the new GFR from G-Force?
www.gforcetransmissions.com
If I couldn't wait for the new Passon 5-speed I would look hard at the G-Force stuff.It's race bred and engineered tough from the start.
And you can get it faceplated like this for serious power shifting
Gus

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Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/28/09 02:32 AM

While the G force trannys are sweet pcs, so are their prices the OP was leaning towards a T56,...which G force has, they range between $4700-$5900 for just the tranny, depending on your build choice, you still have to supply the other needed componets, so add another $1K-$2K depending on what you require



the GFR 5 spds are $6200 just for the tranny.....air shifter is $1K



IIRC, they are going to have a price hike 1/1/10

Mike
Posted By: OSO

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/28/09 03:53 AM

Copied from another site, looks like there was more information available then i was given. Gear ratio alone kills the idea for me, Would like a 3.+- 1st a tight 2nd-5th and a .60+-6th
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Hi Pro-Touring Members,

At the 2009 Performance Race Industry (PRI) show this month, we debuted a new motorsports transmission product... Introducing the

KEISLER ROAD & TRACK 6 SPEED



RATIOS: 2.44 1st, 1.61 2nd, 1.23 3rd, 1.0 4th, 0.88 5th, 0.77 6th

* This is a closer ratio gear set than the production 6-speed found in Corvette, Viper, Camaro, Mustang, Challenger. This means your engine rpm will stay in the power band between shifts.

CLUTCHLESS UP & DOWN SHIFTS:

* Once you launch your vehicle as normal with the clutch, all UP and DOWN shifting can be done without the use of the clutch pedal.
* Shifts are RAPID - as fast as you can move your hand, you are in gear during upshifting. A slight lift of the throttle or momentary retarding of timing allows the clutch teeth to disengage. Shift effort is EASY and SMOOTH. Downshifting is easily accomplished by lifting throttle, pull handle out of gear, quickly tap the gas to raise the rpms (about 500rpm), then push the handle into gear. Again, very easy effort.
* If you want to use the clutch - that is OK. There is no demerit to using the clutch, and you can feather the clutch on as normal.
* Street driving FRIENDLY - once you learn how to rev match the downshifts (couple hours at most), you will find the transmission to be well mannered around town and on the highway.
* Competitive ADVANTAGE - The ROAD & TRACK 6 SPEED, with its motorsports derived clutch gear system, provides you the capability of extremely high RPM shifts (>8500RPM), with repeatibility and reliability, that are not achievable with factory sychromesh transmissions (even triple cone). Sychromesh transmissions such as the T-56 (which use friction cones to aid in meshing the clutch gear teeth internally) are not designed to shift reliably past 6500 RPM, and will cause delayed and mis-shifts, or worse yet, failures during high rpm (>6500RPM) shifts.

The KEISLER ROAD & TRACK 6 SPEED will allow you to take your driving skills and car's potential to the next level, at a price approximately 1/3 to 1/2 that of "entry level" motorsports transmissions. And the beauty is that with Keisler's expertise in complete drivetrain systems, we can integrate the ROAD & TRACK 6 SPEED into most any muscle car, race car, or late model Corvette, Mustang, Camaro, Challenger or sport truck.

Check out this video that shows the product in action. Please note that I did not use the preferred downshifting method due to my mistake. BUT you can see how easy it is to downshift ... and upshifts are very fast.



PRODUCT INCLUDES:
1. COMPLETELY ASSEMBLED AND PAINTED ROAD & TRACK 6-SPEED *REQUIRES T56 CORE*
2. EN 36 / SAE 9310 CHROME-NICKEL-MOLY EXTREME DUTY STEEL GEARSET
3. CNC HELICAL CUT GEARS, FACE-ENGAGEMENT CLUTCH/SLIDER GEARS, 1-1/8INCH X 26 SPLINE INPUT, 1-PIECE CLUSTER GEAR SHAFT
4. COMPUTER CONTROLLED HEAT TREATMENT
5. CHEMICALLY TREATED, TUMBLED AND POLISHED
6. CNC MACHINED BILLET STEEL, HEAT TREATED AND FULLY POLISHED SHIFT FORKS, EXTREME DUTY
7. CNC MACHINED BILLET STEEL, HEAT TREATED AND FULLY POLISHED SHIFT LINKAGE, EXTREME DUTY
8. PROFESSIONAL GRADE SHIFTER W/STOP RING, PRE-INSTALLED, EXTREME DUTY (accepts standard 2-bolt style handles)
9. HIGH HEAT ARGENT SILVER, ELECTRIC BLUE PAINT, OR PAINT DELETE
OPTIONAL $60 LUBRICATION PACKAGE
10. MOBILE 1 FULL SYNTHETIC, 4 QUARTS
11. REV-X FRICTION REDUCTION ADDITIVE, 1 BOTTLE

ASSEMBLY INCLUDES:
1. RECEIVING & INSPECTION OF CORE
2. COMPLETE DISASSEMBLY OF CORE
3. HOT CLEANING & BLASTING OF HOUSING
4. CLEANING & INSPECTION OF ALL INTERNAL COMPONENTS
5. PAINT HOUSING
6. ASSEMBLY OF GEARSET, PRECISION SHIM & PRELOAD
7. ASSEMBLY OF SHIFT SYSTEM
8. ASSEMBLY OF EXTERNAL SHIFT MECHANISM
9. PRECISION ADJUSTMENT OF EXTERNAL SHIFTER STOPS
10. FILL TRANSMISSION WITH 4 QUARTS MOBILE 1 SYNTHETIC W/ REV-X ADDITIVE
11. TESTING & INSPECTION ON TRANSMISSION TEST STAND AT 4000 RPM
12. LEAK DECAY INSPECTION ON AUTOMATIC EQUIPMENT
13. BUILD DATA, INSPECTION REPORT STORED WITH SERIAL NUMBER
14. WRAPPING WITH PLASTIC WRAP, BANDING TO SPECIAL WOOD PALLET
15. PREPARATION OF ALL PAPERWORK FOR DOMESTIC OR INTERNATION SHIPMENT

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PRICING AND AVAILABILITY INFORMATION

6G (1st thru 6th gears upgraded; Reverse remains synchromesh)
PRICE: $6,495 + $995 ASSY

4G (1st-4th gears changed out; 5th/6th/Reverse remains remains original sychromesh)
PRICE: $5,695 + $995 ASSY

LEAD TIME:
4-6 weeks from receipt of order and YOUR T56 core. If you don't have a core, we can provide one.

For a very limited time, to help seed the market, I will extend you HUGE discount of OVER $1000 OFF
1. Assembly $995 - FREE
2. Extreme Duty Oil Package $60 - FREE

I believe you will find this to be an extremely attractive package for a very special, high grade niche street and racing transmission.

To inquire further and to purchase, either PM me or email me at skeisler@keislerauto.com Or you can call me direct at 865.566.0314 8am - 6:30pm eastern. I am personally handling all sales of this unique exciting product.

And as always, you are welcome to visit with me at our facility (10min from the Knoxville airport), and we'll go for a drive! Comments are welcome, and watch our website and videosite for more info.

Shafi Keisler, pres/ceo/founder
Keisler Engineering
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Posted By: MidPenMopar

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/28/09 04:08 AM

I have their 4L60E unit in my 1969 roadrunner.
I have a whole album of online photos of the install if you are intersted?
Stu
Posted By: OSO

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product??? - 12/28/09 04:14 AM

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Have you looked into the new GFR from G-Force?
www.gforcetransmissions.com
If I couldn't wait for the new Passon 5-speed I would look hard at the G-Force stuff.It's race bred and engineered tough from the start.
And you can get it faceplated like this for serious power shifting
Gus


Thanks they have been added to my list of folks to call next week .

Hell at this point im close to going with 4.88s a 727 and dual Gear vendors





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I have their 4L60E unit in my 1969 roadrunner.
I have a whole album of online photos of the install if you are intersted?
Stu


Sure to much info only kills every once in a while.
Posted By: dodgeboy11

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/28/09 04:23 AM

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Modified 6.1, I have been battling transmission issues for a year and a half now. Really need a vendor that can back there product not just say they will. If there is a weak spot on the transmission im going to find it.





Don't know if these transmissions have been mentioned yet but the tranzilla from RS Gear looks like a stout piece.
http://www.rsgear.com/transzilla.asp
Quicktime might make a bellhousing to bolt right up.
Maybe the RM-8077 quicktime BH.

Sorry if this stuff was already mentioned, got tired of reading...
Posted By: OSO

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/28/09 04:36 AM

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Modified 6.1, I have been battling transmission issues for a year and a half now. Really need a vendor that can back there product not just say they will. If there is a weak spot on the transmission im going to find it.





Don't know if these transmissions have been mentioned yet but the tranzilla from RS Gear looks like a stout piece.
http://www.rsgear.com/transzilla.asp
Quicktime might make a bellhousing to bolt right up.
Maybe the RM-8077 quicktime BH.

Sorry if this stuff was already mentioned, got tired of reading...


I am open to all suggestions and recommendations if it comes up more than once the better.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Keisler Transmissions , whos running their product - 12/28/09 11:05 AM

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Copied from another site, looks like there was more information available then i was given. Gear ratio alone kills the idea for me, Would like a 3.+- 1st a tight 2nd-5th and a .60+-6th


RATIOS: 2.44 1st, 1.61 2nd, 1.23 3rd, 1.0 4th, 0.88 5th, 0.77 6th




Before writing it off as an option, I would CALL Keisler Engineering to see if alternate gears are available at this time or in the near future,....as is the case for most of the production TKO's and T56 production kits

Mike
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