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WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE

Posted By: Dennispsalm91

WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/26/09 06:07 PM

Can somebody tell me the difference between the 440 and the 440 wedge , thanks

Posted By: buildanother

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/26/09 06:25 PM

No difference

Posted By: BigMoneyLewis

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/26/09 06:25 PM

All 440s have wedge shaped combustion chambers.

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Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/26/09 06:38 PM

I give up...what's the difference?

Really same thing.

Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/26/09 07:10 PM

heres the diff..

its not a hemi

its not a poly

its not a flat head

its a wedge head,fire in combustion chamber burns in a wedge shape across the top of piston pushing it down the hole,due to the shape of combustion chamber in relation to the flat top piston,it is a wedge

IIRC a max wedge is just faster

from under the shadetree bench racing

Posted By: fastnos

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/26/09 07:16 PM

Marketing- Just a play on words, thru out different years.

Posted By: Dennispsalm91

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/26/09 07:16 PM

Thanks for the responce. I just happened to see a "440 Wedge" for sale. The big blocks im not too familiar with.

Posted By: LimeliteAero

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/26/09 07:55 PM

probably a chevy guy selling something!

Posted By: Dennispsalm91

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/26/09 08:34 PM

Could be, but he has the whole 440 which is apart for 100. just waiting for him to callto see what year. He states it has 6 pack rods

Posted By: RoadRunner

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/26/09 08:53 PM

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Can somebody tell me the difference between the 440 and the 440 wedge , thanks

Used to differentiate all the 440 hemi 6 pack cars you hear about at cruise nights.

But seriously, as stated, no difference.

Posted By: Pyper70

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/26/09 08:53 PM

Some cars got the 6-pack rods, nothing special, just more centrifugal weight IMO. I had the 6-pack rods on a Marine motor that I found, didnt have a 6-pack setup on it though. Found another HP2 block in my hunts and it had regular rods, Whatever they found at the assembly line they threw in.

Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/26/09 09:37 PM

Thats like i love it when you see an ad and it says 383 with 440 heads. hehehe...there the same heads.

Posted By: StealthWedge67

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/26/09 10:01 PM

Six-Pack rods were the same design, just thicker (and heavier). IMO, just more reciprocating mass. If you're going to rebuild it, any newer budget priced H-beam rod is superior to 40 y.o. six pack rods anyway, and the price will be similar to properly re-conditioning and old set.

Posted By: kruger

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 01:17 AM

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Thats like i love it when you see an ad and it says 383 with 440 heads. hehehe...there the same heads.

or,get this....440 intake with 383 heads,complete.

Guess this could wait for another thread

Posted By: I go fast

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 02:11 AM

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Thats like i love it when you see an ad and it says 383 with 440 heads. hehehe...there the same heads.

or,get this....440 intake with 383 heads,complete.

Guess this could wait for another thread

Or this post could go on and on even though the question was answered in the second response!

Posted By: JoesMopar

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 02:15 AM

How about the 440 Hemi?

There's a guy with an ad online here that says, "Rare, 440 German Cross Motor".

I asked what that was and he said " It's the ones that are stronger than the regular 440's"

Never in my life heard of a "german cross 440". A six pack block, but not german cross....

Posted By: myrddin

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 02:26 AM

A "maltese cross" means one or more bearings are under sized.

Posted By: stateline

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 02:43 AM

While back a guy ask me how many inches longer is a long block than a short block

Posted By: LikarockCrusher

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 02:47 AM

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A "maltese cross" means one or more bearings are under sized.

Your on your game way to go and they made a 440 ballstuded Hemi. But a Wedge is a Wedge no matter how you get it.

Posted By: GTX MATT

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 03:29 PM

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A "maltese cross" means one or more bearings are under sized.

I bet thats what he meant by "German Cross" since it does look like the Axis Powers symbol.

Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 04:48 PM

a maltese cross

a iron cross

a german cross

are the same thing..as this post asked..whats the differance?

they are the same thing and no differance

Posted By: ph23vo

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 04:53 PM

selling price... dan

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 05:00 PM

i prefer 440 rb's

Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 06:02 PM

Wedge, magnum, command or super commando, tnt, etc are all just marketing terms. They are all wedge engines from the shape of the combustion chamber.

Posted By: DPelletier

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 08:13 PM

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While back a guy ask me how many inches longer is a long block than a short block

Dave

Posted By: DPelletier

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 09:00 PM

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He states it has 6 pack rods

Which means it might be a '70 - '75 HP or TRUCK motor. Stamp will tell you for sure....

http://www.440source.com/stockrods.htm

"Six Pack Rods" = the biggest misnomer in Mopar history.

Dave

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 09:27 PM

I can't beieve this thread has had more than one reply

Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 09:47 PM

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I can't beieve this thread has had more than one reply

Yeah, but some of this is sooooooo much fun. Take a look at this link:
http://www.classicautoadvertisements.com/?class=inventory&id=INV3&cid=13&productid=142

It's an original ad for the 68 Super Bee that says that 335HP 383 had "440 Magnum V8 heads...."

Marketing folks..........

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 10:17 PM

Yea Jim, I hear ya.

Kinda like what's the difference between (same vintage) 440 Magnum, 440 Wedge, 440 4 Barrel 440 TNT, 440 Commando, 383 Magnum, 383 Commando, 383 Wedge, 383 4 Barrel, 383 2 barrel, and 383 Road Runner heads?

NADDA!

Posted By: CYACOP

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 10:32 PM

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He states it has 6 pack rods

Which means it might be a '70 - '75 HP or TRUCK motor. Stamp will tell you for sure....

http://www.440source.com/stockrods.htm

"Six Pack Rods" = the biggest misnomer in Mopar history.

Dave

A 70-75 horsepower truck motor?

Posted By: DPelletier

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 10:44 PM

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I can't beieve this thread has had more than one reply

Which just goes to show you that anything can and will generate discussion on Moparts!

Dave

Posted By: DPelletier

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 10:45 PM

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He states it has 6 pack rods

Which means it might be a '70 - '75 HP or TRUCK motor. Stamp will tell you for sure....

http://www.440source.com/stockrods.htm

"Six Pack Rods" = the biggest misnomer in Mopar history.

Dave

A 70-75 horsepower truck motor?

...yep, I got two. Wanna buy one?

Dave

Posted By: QuickBpBp

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 10:45 PM

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Yea Jim, I hear ya.

Kinda like what's the difference between (same vintage) 440 Magnum, 440 Wedge, 440 4 Barrel 440 TNT, 440 Commando, 383 Magnum, 383 Commando, 383 Wedge, 383 4 Barrel, 383 2 barrel, and 383 Road Runner heads?

NADDA!

Actually there is alot of differences in those stock factory motors dish pistons vs flat tops,Windage trays vs none,baffled oil pans vs stock oil pans,HP exhaust manifolds vs stock manifolds,intakes,camshafts,valve springs,distributors to name a few that's more than NADDA.....

Posted By: buildanother

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 10:54 PM

I heard all the wedge 440's were painted street hemi orange. Could that be true?

Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 11:31 PM

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I heard all the wedge 440's were painted street hemi orange. Could that be true?

You should have stopped at "I heard all the wedge 440's were painted "!

Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 11:36 PM

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I can't beieve this thread has had more than one reply

Scott,have you "ever" seen "one" post on moparts that ask a specific question,was ansered correctly in the next post but still didn't go on and on and on and oooonnnnnnnn?

Posted By: kruger

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 11:50 PM

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Can somebody tell me the difference between the 440 and the 440 wedge , thanks

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No difference

Posted By: hemigod426

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/27/09 11:55 PM

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Can somebody tell me the difference between the 440 and the 440 wedge , thanks

like caddy shack ill show ya ever drive with a wedgie//////////

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/28/09 12:01 AM

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Yea Jim, I hear ya.

Kinda like what's the difference between (same vintage) 440 Magnum, 440 Wedge, 440 4 Barrel 440 TNT, 440 Commando, 383 Magnum, 383 Commando, 383 Wedge, 383 4 Barrel, 383 2 barrel, and 383 Road Runner heads?

NADDA!

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Actually there is alot of differences in those stock factory motors dish pistons vs flat tops,Windage trays vs none,baffled oil pans vs stock oil pans,HP exhaust manifolds vs stock manifolds,intakes,camshafts,valve springs,distributors to name a few that's more than NADDA.....

Guess you missed the last word in my post before NADDA?

Posted By: QuickBpBp

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/28/09 12:32 AM

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Yea Jim, I hear ya.

Kinda like what's the difference between (same vintage) 440 Magnum, 440 Wedge, 440 4 Barrel 440 TNT, 440 Commando, 383 Magnum, 383 Commando, 383 Wedge, 383 4 Barrel, 383 2 barrel, and 383 Road Runner heads?

NADDA!

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Actually there is alot of differences in those stock factory motors dish pistons vs flat tops,Windage trays vs none,baffled oil pans vs stock oil pans,HP exhaust manifolds vs stock manifolds,intakes,camshafts,valve springs,distributors to name a few that's more than NADDA.....

Guess you missed the last word in my post before NADDA?

My bad on most then missed the word heads but anyway your still wrong the valve springs were different between some of them.....

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/28/09 01:40 AM

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My bad on most then missed the word heads but anyway your still wrong the valve springs were different between some of them.....

I am? I never mentioned valve springs, valves, or anything else but HEADS

Posted By: Evil Spirit

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/28/09 04:31 AM

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Some cars got the 6-pack rods, nothing special, just more centrifugal weight IMO. I had the 6-pack rods on a Marine motor that I found, didnt have a 6-pack setup on it though. Found another HP2 block in my hunts and it had regular rods, Whatever they found at the assembly line they threw in.

"Six Pack Rods" were named after the amount of alcohol that you drank during the tow truck ride home after they came out the oil pan.

Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/28/09 12:25 PM

I must of had the "12 pac rods" in my SB 318

cause it was a 12 pac waiting for the toetruck..

Posted By: QuickBpBp

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/28/09 09:53 PM

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My bad on most then missed the word heads but anyway your still wrong the valve springs were different between some of them.....

I am? I never mentioned valve springs, valves, or anything else but HEADS

It doesn't matter to me cause originally I missed the heads part....But when you put a blanket statement out there that is how these myths get started most people will read it(who do not know) will now think 383 2 barrel heads are the same complete assembly as a 440 hp motor since it reads "heads"(which typically are the whole assembly). Most "refer" as BARE heads/castings or complete heads/heads...Also in 67 they were not. Not trying to pick anything but this is EXACTLY how people turn around and say that a 67 383 2 barrel Newport has the same "heads" as a 67 Gtx cause they read it on moparts...

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/28/09 10:24 PM

QuickBpBp,

If people make bad decisions in life without doing the appropriate homework they deserve to pay the price, the internet (Moparts) is a good starting point but I wouldn't go out and spend any serious money unless I had some backup information sources. One way or another you pay your dues, either by making an uneducated buying mistake, or spending the time to get properly educated, one way or another it costs you something.

As far as heads go, split hairs all you want, my original statement is correct (but I'll give you a point on the 67 915 castings being different from 516's), besides, who uses a used assembled 40 year old set of heads with the original valves and springs?

Posted By: I go fast

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/28/09 10:26 PM

But,the question by the original poster was not about heads,valves, springe etc and still can be answered in one word."NONE".A wedge is a wedge no matter how you slice it.

Posted By: Anonymous

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Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/28/09 11:00 PM

my 300$ 79 motor home 440 with 75000 on the clock is 30 yrs old and I am using it as is with stock spring and valves

so you can say I use 30 yr old junk if you want

Posted By: QuickBpBp

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/31/09 05:49 PM

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my 300$ 79 motor home 440 with 75000 on the clock is 30 yrs old and I am using it as is with stock spring and valves

so you can say I use 30 yr old junk if you want

Yep I guess some people never heard of machine shops or good luck with low mileage used parts....My 4000lb 64 Polara Ragtop ran 12.30's with assembly line stock valves that had 90k on them and the short blaock assembly was the way Ma made it too....

Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/31/09 07:55 PM

like a nice top shelf car..if I had one I would not pound on it,but..used 2nd shelf junk is just fun with less $$$ IMHO

run what ya brung

Posted By: hemi-itis

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 10/31/09 09:13 PM

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Some cars got the 6-pack rods, nothing special, just more centrifugal weight IMO. I had the 6-pack rods on a Marine motor that I found, didnt have a 6-pack setup on it though. Found another HP2 block in my hunts and it had regular rods, Whatever they found at the assembly line they threw in.

"Six Pack Rods" were named after the amount of alcohol that you drank during the tow truck ride home after they came out the oil pan.

I must of had the "12 pac rods" in my SB 318

cause it was a 12 pac waiting for the toetruck <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So who's gunns pay for the tow???????/

Posted By: HYPER8oSoNic

Re: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 440 AND 440 WEDGE - 04/18/10 06:01 AM

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He states it has 6 pack rods

Which means it might be a '70 - '75 HP or TRUCK motor. Stamp will tell you for sure....

http://www.440source.com/stockrods.htm

"Six Pack Rods" = the biggest misnomer in Mopar history.

Dave

Six pack rods wer engineered to be a step between
the standard 4bbl (HP or Standard) LY connecting
rod and the HEMI (Street or Race) connecting rod.
Chrysler basically wanted superior strength and
durability, but with a lower bob weight than the
HEMI rod. The 440 sixpack engine was designed to
be a low-midrange torque monster engine, so they
needed a heavy rod to handle the stresses of high
torque loads at mid to lower rpms as well as top-end rpm when all six barrels are opened.