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Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help!

Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/23/09 10:48 PM

I'm not sure how alarmed to be by this.

Bought a truck and the engine in it had been sitting for a while with a tarp on it. Low and behold, the tarp deteriorated and the original owner failed to plug up any access holes.

Here is what I'm dealing with:





Obviously, a couple of shreds of the tarp have found their way down the distributor hole. I imagine, short of using a long vacuum or something to get most of it out, the only way to make sure I've got 100 percent of it is to take out the engine and tear down the block.

Do I have any other options? Is this something to be concerned with? I wouldn't mind a solution like changing the oil every 1000 miles for a while as the engine works all the stuff out. Is that even feasible? It's not a hopped up race engine or anything, but I also don't want to be cruising in the desert and lose oil pressure out of nowhere....
Posted By: dmerc

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/23/09 10:52 PM

Water has nasty habit of finding the slightest hole and ruining things. Better tear it down. Does it turn over?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/23/09 10:54 PM

Yea, I'd be allot more worried about water and sand than "tarp". Time for a tear down IMO.
Posted By: racealittle

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/23/09 11:02 PM

What about mice and other things that have a tendency get into car parts?
Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/23/09 11:08 PM

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Water has nasty habit of finding the slightest hole and ruining things. Better tear it down. Does it turn over?



I just tried turning it over. Clockwise it feels like it's caught on something, won't budge. Spins counterclockwise fine though.
Posted By: Bill MeLater

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/23/09 11:17 PM

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What about mice and other things that have a tendency get into car parts?

This one turned over just fine....

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Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/23/09 11:20 PM

Would I be able to get away with just taking the intake off? Or should it be completely taken down?
Posted By: Bill MeLater

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/23/09 11:23 PM

I'd tear it down if it was mine. Gaskets are relatively cheap.
Posted By: Bill MeLater

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/23/09 11:24 PM

BTW the only opening in that motor was the distributor hole.
Posted By: racealittle

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/23/09 11:27 PM

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Would I be able to get away with just taking the intake off? Or should it be completely taken down?



I would pull the intake and the oilpan. I once bought a "fresh" motor that was "just" rebuilt and left outside for "3 days".

The oilpan came off with a rubber mallet. The oil pickup was rusted to the bottom of the oilpan.

The only open hole on the motor was at the oil sending port. Water ran down that hole, through the oil passages (lifters, etc.) and sat there long enough to rust up and dry. The rest of the motor was spotless.
Posted By: dmerc

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/23/09 11:29 PM

Save yourself a lot of grief and tear it down.
Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/23/09 11:39 PM

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Save yourself a lot of grief and tear it down.



I've already pretty much resigned myself to that. Just not what I wanted to do... DRATS!
Posted By: Lefty

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/24/09 12:02 AM

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Save yourself a lot of grief and tear it down.



I've already pretty much resigned myself to that. Just not what I wanted to do... DRATS!





I hear ya, but if you don't open it up and check it and it self destructs, you're gonna feel like
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/24/09 12:57 AM

I barly can afford to do it once,I cant afford to do it 2x

I see that tarp taking out the lifters,clogging the oil pick up screen,clogging oil passages after sucking enuff into the smaller one..ect..

nobody wants to hear it..I put my used 440 in and cleared the cyls just to know I was not wasting time and $$$,then jerked it back out for paint..was not what I wanted to do...but was in my best intrest to do it..

results will vary hows your Karma?

Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/24/09 01:19 AM

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results will vary hows your Karma?






Low enough that it's coming out tomorrow
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/24/09 01:40 AM

I think the tarp is the least of your worries ... that first lifter looks rusty !!!
Posted By: dave571

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/24/09 02:00 AM

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I think the tarp is the least of your worries ... that first lifter looks rusty !!!



There does seem to be some flash rust in a few spots.

Bottom end stuff (mains, rods, etc..) seem to stand up to that sort of stuff, but I wouldn't expect a cam too.
Posted By: racealittle

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/24/09 02:15 AM

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I think the tarp is the least of your worries ... that first lifter looks rusty !!!



There does seem to be some flash rust in a few spots.

Bottom end stuff (mains, rods, etc..) seem to stand up to that sort of stuff, but I wouldn't expect a cam too.



That could be coking on the lifter. The picture is not quite in focus.
Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/24/09 03:19 AM

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I think the tarp is the least of your worries ... that first lifter looks rusty !!!



There does seem to be some flash rust in a few spots.

Bottom end stuff (mains, rods, etc..) seem to stand up to that sort of stuff, but I wouldn't expect a cam too.



That could be coking on the lifter. The picture is not quite in focus.



Sorry about that. Tomorrow the engine should be coming out and I'll hopefully get down to the nitty gritty of it.
Posted By: Bill MeLater

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/24/09 04:49 AM

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I think the tarp is the least of your worries ... that first lifter looks rusty !!!



There does seem to be some flash rust in a few spots.

Bottom end stuff (mains, rods, etc..) seem to stand up to that sort of stuff, but I wouldn't expect a cam too.



That could be coking on the lifter. The picture is not quite in focus.



Sorry about that. Tomorrow the engine should be coming out and I'll hopefully get down to the nitty gritty of it.

When you pull the valley and oil pan, do us a favor and post some pics.
Posted By: Pyper70

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/24/09 09:39 AM

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What about mice and other things that have a tendency get into car parts?

This one turned over just fine....



What is that in the valley? Is that a nest or vomit?
Posted By: BDS871Cuda

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/24/09 11:48 AM

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What about mice and other things that have a tendency get into car parts?

This one turned over just fine....



What is that in the valley? Is that a nest or vomit?




Mice version of a king size bed.
Mice prefer the Mopar V8 over Motel 6.
Posted By: Pyper70

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/24/09 01:01 PM

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What about mice and other things that have a tendency get into car parts?

This one turned over just fine....



What is that in the valley? Is that a nest or vomit?




Mice version of a king size bed.
Mice prefer the Mopar V8 over Motel 6.



Thats soooooooooooooo grody
Posted By: racealittle

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/24/09 01:35 PM

Mouse urine really does a number on aluminum parts.
Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/25/09 12:33 AM

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When you pull the valley and oil pan, do us a favor and post some pics.



Well, here it is, directly after peeling back the intake pan:



No rust to speak of, or any other debris for that matter, which is a good thing.

Here is a shot of two middle lifters. That' not rust along the lower part, just appears to be burnt or something:



Here is the front of the cam, directly under the distributor hole:




Here's the bad news:

A picture of the front two lifters, right after removing them:




And after wiping down the tappet area:





You can feel the pits when you run your fingernail across the area, so I'm assuming they are shot. Is it safe to assume the cam is also? Or perhaps they aren't that bad and I can run them? Looking for some expert opinions on this one. I'd really like to rebuild this properly and not have to take it out again.

Cheers
Posted By: bobby66

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/25/09 12:39 AM

New cam, lifters and timing set would be a good place to start. If money is tight look at the Summit house brand cams.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/25/09 12:40 AM

New cam and lifters. (the lifters are definately no-go. Given the cost of new cam/lifter set vs. just new lifter you may as well replace both)
Clean up the tarp crud and run it. Obviously an oil and filter change too.
Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/25/09 02:34 AM

Well now that I've got it this far apart, I'm trying to justify going deeper (bearings, rings, etc) to make sure that it is 100 percent.

Who knows what I'll end up doing.

Now to start bugging you all with cam questions. (In case anyone would like to chime in here, this is a 440 in an 80 RC that I would like low range power out of using the stock convertor and 3.55 gearing, 35" tires, power brakes and a 650cfm carb)

Thanks all
Posted By: nomore65BelvJim

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/25/09 03:43 AM

just remember when making your cam choice you have to get your tailpipe sniffed in Maricopa county.
Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/25/09 04:43 AM

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just remember when making your cam choice you have to get your tailpipe sniffed in Maricopa county.



Jim,

Does the go for all vehicles? Is there an age cut-off for emissions testing?
Posted By: nomore65BelvJim

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/27/09 06:00 AM

Pat anything 1967 and newer has to be "tested/inspected".

AZ DEQ info
Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Rotten tarp may have fallen into block..help! - 10/27/09 07:56 AM

You could take the chance with those lifters, but if they wipe out the cam, you will probbably have to rebuild the engine because the metal particles seem to make it past the oil pump and filter.

On the other hand, it looks like your already on the path to rebuilding the engine......

I vote for doing it right once.
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