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Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options?

Posted By: OLD318

Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/07/09 11:19 PM

Hey guys, if you saw my other post I'm upgrading
my stock 318 to a 4 barrel MP aluminum intake.

What carbs do you guys put on this?

Holley 600 cfm or an Edelbrock AVS 500?
or..what do you guys use..

Its a stock 318 with single exhaust.
I will be upgrading to dual exhaust later on
but for now I just want to upgrade to a
small 4 barrel..

What do you guys use/recommend... thanks!
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/07/09 11:47 PM

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my stock 318 What carbs do you guys put on this? What do you guys recommend... thanks!


Edelbrock.
Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/07/09 11:55 PM

edelbrock. I'd go 600 and jet it down if you need to. The Eddys aren't a rich carb. 600 should be fine right out of the box.
Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/08/09 01:13 AM

Where's the double pumper crowd???

Edelbrock 600
Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/08/09 01:51 AM

Don't get them started
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/08/09 01:59 AM

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Don't get them started




I've got a spreadbore holley 650 double pumper he could buy...
Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/08/09 02:44 AM

I;'ve got a 780 DP i use for a door stop
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/08/09 12:06 PM

600 eddy would be good for a stockish 318

I also like a early to mid 70s chivy q-jet with the mopar throttle lever tac welded on to the throttle shaft for stock mopar 4-v linkage

that works great on a 318 also,IMO

any smaller holley would do..

remember 318 are easy to "over cam" which means they are easy to "over carb" also

I have ran a 750cfm on a stock teen..had good top end..but the idle was pig rich and slow speed drivabilty was sluggish till 3000 rpms or so

600 eddy out the box was almost right on the jetting but still a tad rich,IMO

good luck and dont over carb it with a stock cam

dont forget to get the throttle presssure rod adjusted correctly or you will be posting about new trannys for it
Posted By: OLD318

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/08/09 10:28 PM

What about the Thunder AVS 500 cfm
Is that a better choice than a 600 CFM for
a 318.... anyone use the 500?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/08/09 10:49 PM

Holley 600...
Posted By: Theorio1025

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/08/09 10:57 PM

I had a holley 600 cfm vac. secondary on my camaro and I liked it. The car was run as a daily driver, even through the winter. Tried an Edelbrock 600 on the same car, and I don't think it ran as well.
Posted By: patrick

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/09/09 11:57 AM

eddie 600 is a good choice as it gives some room to grow. I have a 1406 on my magnum headed 318 with a 208@.050, .506" lift roller cam, RPM air gap and headers. I had to change the step up springs to the pink or natural, jet the primary down to .095" jets and .073/.052 rods and the secondary down to .089 jets. that was tuning with an LM1.
Posted By: OLD318

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/09/09 05:16 PM

The one I was looking at is the Holley 80457S
model which is a universal 600 CFM 4 barrel
with electric choke and vacuum secondaries.
Brand new it runs around $275.00
which seems reasonable...
(The Thunder AVS 500 is around $350.00 )

Anybody use this one (holley)?

I have to use a 1" spacer to get this to fit.
on the MP Aluminum intake...

I've got the spacer and mopar "pieces" to connect
to the existing throttle linkage...

I understand I'll have to adjust the throttle
linkage to get this to work properly.

One more question I've got a 340 single 4 barrel
air cleaner... will this fit on the holley,
it looks like it will.... But I've never tried it

Anybody know?
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/09/09 07:37 PM

yes it will fit the holley gas hole
Posted By: Procommuter

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/09/09 08:54 PM

Don't forget to use four barrell intake gaskets not the steel shim two barrell gaskets. AMHIK. One of the first things I learned on my first mopar.
Posted By: gch

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/10/09 08:35 PM

The carb choice is your preference.I would run 600 cfm what ever you choose.It won't hurt you now and will support upgrades later.
Honestly I think dual exhaust will help more than a 4 barrell.Be prepeared to re-tune it after you swap exhaust.
At a minimum I would install a high flow muffler even with single exhaust.Stock (quiet) mufflers are very restrictive.
Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/11/09 01:22 AM

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Stock (quiet) mufflers are very restrictive.




Quiet doesn't mean restrictive, nor does loud mean best flowing.

Car Craft, and others, have done a number of tests and the Dynomay Hemi muffler is the winner. Quiet, free flowing, cheap. On the dyno, with a sound meter, real tests not someone's guess.
Posted By: OLD318

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/15/09 03:31 PM

When you guys switch from 2bbl to 4bbl
do you retain the 5/16 stock fuel line
or do you also convert the fuel pump/ steel lines
to 3/8..

Is this part of the conversion for a stock
318 from 2bbl to 4bbl?

What do you guys do?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/15/09 04:51 PM

if you plan on keeping it under 300hp then the 5/16 fuel lines will be fine.
Posted By: gch

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/15/09 05:16 PM

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Stock (quiet) mufflers are very restrictive.




Quiet doesn't mean restrictive, nor does loud mean best flowing.

Car Craft, and others, have done a number of tests and the Dynomay Hemi muffler is the winner. Quiet, free flowing, cheap. On the dyno, with a sound meter, real tests not someone's guess.


I agree with you but most stock mufflers I have seen are both quiet and restrictive compared to an aftermarket turbo style muffler(dynomax).
The 5/16 fuel line is sufficient.
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/15/09 06:16 PM

5/16 line is all you need for the swap at this level of performance

you would be surprized just how much it will support before needing to go to 3/8 line,IMHO

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/15/09 06:18 PM

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5/16 line is all you need for the swap at this level of performance

you would be surprized just how much it will support before needing to go to 3/8 line,IMHO





bout 300hp. after that, good luck.
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/15/09 06:35 PM

result do vary

and I was thinking about 350 hp myself

close enuff

and jumping from a stock 150 hp to 300hp is a big jump IMO,and the 5/16 line is doable

but a 4-v swap to a stock teen is not going to be that much HP to begain with..might bump it to 160 hp

headers have more of a boost than just swaping on a 4-v to a stock 318 in my book
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/15/09 06:43 PM

5hp...w/ 4bbl carb/intake only...mabey... with a tail wind.
Posted By: gch

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 10/15/09 07:12 PM

Dual exhaust is a must.Headers a plus.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 11/16/09 01:42 AM

i would use a edelbrock 600
Posted By: 69Dartman

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 11/22/09 08:24 AM

I run a 9800 series Thermoquad on mine with the 340 exhaust all the way back and the early manifolds. works great with 95 or 92 jets and I think the 340 metering rods.
If you know how to work on one they are pretty much fully tweakable to run on just about anything. Mine pulls smooth, starts cold and runs great first try, and gets good MPG and power. Plus they sound awesome at WOT
Posted By: Chris2581

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 11/22/09 08:47 AM

My first car was a 318 Duster.I used a 600 Holley (old 6909) a Holley street dominator intake, stock 340 cam from the Chrysler dealer,and 1 5/8th's cheapo headers with Walker street Hemi mufflers spec'd for a Hemi Road Runner I got from NAPA.That combo worked great in that Duster and with a shift kit in the 904 and 2.76's out back,it got over 20 mpg easily.
Posted By: 69superbee383

Re: Carb selection - upgrade stock 318 to 4 barrel-Options? - 11/22/09 05:14 PM

360 heads, thermoquad and a stock 68 MT 340 cam and some headers and duals. That ought to make a decent running car.
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