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Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions?

Posted By: Scatransit

Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/28/09 11:47 AM

Getting ready to go cam shopping...It's going in a 69 'Runner, 383, 4 speed with 3:91's...Engine has a .030 over-bore, but is otherwise completely stock....Thanks
Posted By: ohiodemon

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/28/09 02:11 PM

the xe-268 is probably the most recommended cam on here.
they are good cams.buy the whole kit.
are you planning any upgrades later on ?
i run the xe-284 in my 360 and its been trouble free since 2001.
Posted By: Scatransit

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/28/09 02:37 PM

Thanks, no other mods planned. I'm ready to buy the 268, just curious about the 274 since the comp website says it can use the same 911-16 springs.
Posted By: STLDuster

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/28/09 02:49 PM

I have the XE-268H in my 440, seems to run well, I like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfaXG676Ebg
Posted By: Dodgem

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/28/09 02:59 PM

I would lean to the 274 with 4 speed and 3.91's.
What intake? headers?
Posted By: Scatransit

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/28/09 03:51 PM

Stock all the way...cast iron...numbers...that sorta thing...The bore is .030, but comp ratio is 10:1...I realize that a stock cam is the safest bet, but I would like to take advantage of todays technology, keep the idle reasonable, and maybe gain a little performance...
Posted By: Scatransit

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/28/09 05:06 PM

I'm curious about the 274 too...Anyone have any experience with it?
Posted By: Fishmarket

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/28/09 05:19 PM

I have the XE268 in mine and I like it but I wish I would have went with the XE275HL now. They are a tad on the noisy side but for you app. the 268 would probably be perfect.
Posted By: 65rbdodge

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/28/09 05:34 PM

i have the 274 in the 400 in my dart. i like it, i pulls pretty hard through all the rpm range and has a lumpy idle. my combo is eddy. rpm intake, holley 750, 84cc eddy heads milled .040(.74cc), KB pistons at 0 deck, headers, 2.5"duals w/x pipe, 2600rpm converter, 355 gears.
Posted By: patrick

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/28/09 07:40 PM

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Stock all the way...cast iron...numbers...that sorta thing...The bore is .030, but comp ratio is 10:1...I realize that a stock cam is the safest bet, but I would like to take advantage of todays technology, keep the idle reasonable, and maybe gain a little performance...




do you have dome pistons and/or milled heads? if not, then you probably aren't at 10:1. I'd go XE268 or Lunati voodoo 60303, and use the same comp springs.
Posted By: Scatransit

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/28/09 08:14 PM

Negative on both...Sealed Power .030-over flat tops...heads untouched except for new seals and springs...The comp ratio is 10:1 .

The 268 was my first choice but the 274 is tempting...
Posted By: joedust451

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/28/09 08:28 PM

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Negative on both...Sealed Power .030-over flat tops...heads untouched except for new seals and springs...The comp ratio is 10:1 .

The 268 was my first choice but the 274 is tempting...




Depending on how far below the deck those pistons are, & you say the heads are untouched, if your running a .040" gasket, your not at 10.1, my Ross pistons sat .017" below, & i was at 9.73, but if those are the reg. cast seal power pistons, then there around .080" below, your more like 8.7.1, but if there the six pack 2255s forged units, then your around 9.6.1, so what pistons do you have??
Posted By: Scatransit

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/29/09 11:30 AM

I appreciate your interest...I understand that compression ratio is a value that needs to be factored in when determining the application of a camshaft...Suffice it to say that the pistons are advertised as .030-over replacements for the 383 HP engine...I do not know what the EXACT compression ratio is, and I frankly don't care. I would assume that it is close to what was advertised...that's good enough for me. This is not a race engine. I just wanted to hear of fellow hobbyists experiences with the cams in the subject line. Thanks
Posted By: joedust451

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/29/09 01:06 PM

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I appreciate your interest...I understand that compression ratio is a value that needs to be factored in when determining the application of a camshaft...Suffice it to say that the pistons are advertised as .030-over replacements for the 383 HP engine...I do not know what the EXACT compression ratio is, and I frankly don't care. I would assume that it is close to what was advertised...that's good enough for me. This is not a race engine. I just wanted to hear of fellow hobbyists experiences with the cams in the subject line. Thanks




Ok, seeing you have a stock cam now, i would get the .268, it should wake it up nicely, the .274 would sound better, but with stock compression, you may not like it as much as the .268, now that thats said, you really should care about what you build, especially the compression when it comes to picking a cam, if you get defencesive about it, then knowone with any real knowhow will bother helping you, then your responces will be slim, & thats why your asking Qs, for help "right", so don't be quick to get mad, because doing the math on any build is knowledge, & ammunition for any future upgrades you may want to do.
Posted By: joedust451

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/29/09 01:12 PM

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I appreciate your interest...I understand that compression ratio is a value that needs to be factored in when determining the application of a camshaft...Suffice it to say that the pistons are advertised as .030-over replacements for the 383 HP engine...I do not know what the EXACT compression ratio is, and I frankly don't care. I would assume that it is close to what was advertised...that's good enough for me. This is not a race engine. I just wanted to hear of fellow hobbyists experiences with the cams in the subject line. Thanks




Ok, seeing you have a stock cam now, i would get the .268, it should wake it up nicely, the .274 would sound better, but with stock compression, you may not like it as much as the .268, now that thats said, you really should care about what you build, especially the compression when it comes to picking a cam, if you get defencesive about it, then knowone with any real knowhow will bother helping you, then your responces will be slim, & thats why your asking Qs, for help "right", so don't be quick to get mad, because doing the math on any build is knowledge, & ammunition for any future upgrades you may want to do. [/quot
Posted By: Scatransit

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/29/09 03:39 PM

WOW! This is why I rarely post on this forum. I only wanted to ask my fellow MOPAR enthusiasts if they had any experience with either cam mentioned in the subject line. I am sorry if you have taken things the wrong way.

I was not seeking a recommendation, just experiences.

Friends?
Posted By: patrick

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/29/09 06:09 PM

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I appreciate your interest...I understand that compression ratio is a value that needs to be factored in when determining the application of a camshaft...Suffice it to say that the pistons are advertised as .030-over replacements for the 383 HP engine...I do not know what the EXACT compression ratio is, and I frankly don't care. I would assume that it is close to what was advertised...that's good enough for me. This is not a race engine. I just wanted to hear of fellow hobbyists experiences with the cams in the subject line. Thanks




you might not care until you put too big of a cam in it and it runs like poo.

ok, so you have a stock rebuilt 383 HP. most 906 heads are in the 92 cc range, if you used a steel shim head gasket, those are about 5cc, if the pistons were .080 in the hole, you're looking at 7.9:1 actual compression. if you used the standard gasket in the rebuild kit, you're looking at more like 7.6:1 compression. if they were .017 in the hole like someone else mentioned, you're looking at more like 8.8:1 with the thin gasket, and 8.5:1 with the standard fel-pro engine teardown kit.

if you were at a true 10:1, I'd say go for the XE274, but you're not. you may be waaaay off of that. I'd go conservative and go with the XE268, otherwise the car might be pretty doggy until 3500 RPM or so.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/29/09 06:30 PM

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if you were at a true 10:1, I'd say go for the XE274, but you're not. you may be waaaay off of that. I'd go conservative and go with the XE268, otherwise the car might be pretty doggy until 3500 RPM or so.




Finally someone brought up the bottom end. I too would go with the 268. Only because of maintaining a nice driveable bottom end. With Stock intake and exhaust, and no plans to mod, it very much sounds like a casual driver. I doubt you want to be hottrodding it all (or even most of the time). The powerband for the 268 should begin about 1800-2000 rpm. The 274 will be higher, probably about 300-400 higher. Having to slip the clutch at 2400 from every stop gets annoying in casual low-performance driving. Sidestepping the pedal while having fun is a different issue.
The 274 is a risky choice in your combo, and it would be held back by the intake/exhaust/compression
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/29/09 08:50 PM

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I appreciate your interest...I understand that compression ratio is a value that needs to be factored in when determining the application of a camshaft...Suffice it to say that the pistons are advertised as .030-over replacements for the 383 HP engine...I do not know what the EXACT compression ratio is, and I frankly don't care. I would assume that it is close to what was advertised...that's good enough for me. This is not a race engine. I just wanted to hear of fellow hobbyists experiences with the cams in the subject line. Thanks




Your "assumption" can get you in trouble, even for a street engine. First of all, the CR of a stock 383 was less than advertised, but more importantly, when you get "stock replacement" pistons, they are gonna be generic one-size-fits-all, not duplicates of the original pistons.

It doesn't matter what year 383 you specify, what carb, or what factory CR rating, you get the SAME piston that's probably gonna end up .050-.100 below deck at TDC. Then when you put on your Fel-pro .039" head gaskets instead of the stock steel shim, you end up with maybe 7.5 - 8.0 to one CR - nowhere near close to advertised.

Your cam question really can't be answered properly without having some idea of your actual CR; that's why someone brought up the issue - they were trying to help you, not harass you.
Posted By: Sub95

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/29/09 09:51 PM

Had a XE274 in my 452, 9.4.1 compression, it didnt have much bottem end power. and i dont use off the shelf cams from Comp cams, as i have had to many off the shelf cams be lazy on the bottem end.
Posted By: Baxter61

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/29/09 10:35 PM

I have the xe274h in a less than 8:1 360, I can go sideways from a 20 mph roll. Its installed at 106. It has plenty of bottom end in my opinion and pulls 12+ inches of vacuum. I would have 0 problems with driving it in an every-day application. The hp BB cams in 70 were 268 on the intake so do you want the same size or bigger?
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/29/09 10:44 PM

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The hp BB cams in 70 were 268 on the intake so do you want the same size or bigger?




The modern grinds ARE larger. Because of lift. The old-school stuff was high in duration for a given lift so diveability suffered in the true Hi-Po grinds. Now you can get good lift at reasonable duration. A lunati 60303 is .493/.513 at 268/274 (as I recall---if thats not totatlly accurate its close) Look at the lift of the stock 268 lobes, its not even .480.
Modern grinds rock.
Posted By: Baxter61

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/30/09 06:57 AM

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The hp BB cams in 70 were 268 on the intake so do you want the same size or bigger?




The modern grinds ARE larger. Because of lift. The old-school stuff was high in duration for a given lift so diveability suffered in the true Hi-Po grinds. Now you can get good lift at reasonable duration. A lunati 60303 is .493/.513 at 268/274 (as I recall---if thats not totatlly accurate its close) Look at the lift of the stock 268 lobes, its not even .480.
Modern grinds rock.



I dont argue the design of the modern cams is better. However, that doesnt change how long the valve is off the seat.
Posted By: theclutcher

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/30/09 01:18 PM

exper with 2 diff apps and xe 268 both manual trans both very nice.
Posted By: Scatransit

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/30/09 02:11 PM

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Your cam question really can't be answered properly without having some idea of your actual CR; that's why someone brought up the issue - they were trying to help you, not harass you.




All I seek is personal experiences with the cams mentioned in the subject line with respect to a basically stock 383 HP. I have pretty much decided on the XE268. I was curious about the 274, that's why I posted...Sorry if I worded it improperly Thanks to all for info in that regard.

As far as a lecture in automotive math goes, after 33 years as a mechanic - I'm good.

It was never within the scope of this rebuild to delve into the exactness of measure...Were I to build a specialty engine, then that would surely come into play. This little 383 ran like a sewing machine, made great power, and was quiet...Its only problem was burning oil. Taper was excessive so I opted for the .030 over 10:1 flat tops from Sealed Power....That's it...All else measured fine...New bearings and gaskets, double roller chain, cam, lifters, springs and I'm done...Were it not for the oil burning issue, it would still be between the fenders!

Trust me, I do appreciate everyones input...I do not feel harassed, or defensive, or mad, or whatever...I've been doing this a LOT of years...You learn something new everyday...

Thanks
Posted By: landon1

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/30/09 02:48 PM

my 440 has what are called 10:1 pistons - they aren't even close...more like 9:1. i think they figure the CR with closed chamber heads @ 74cc. i went with the XE268. haven't had a chance to get it out yet - hopefully sometime this week. i think i probably could have gone another step larger and been okay, but i wanted to play on the conservative side as i didn't want to mess with my torque converter or change my rear gears (yet )

will post back with more info once i get it back together and on the road
Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/30/09 02:56 PM

My stock rebuilt 383, I used the Crower 271HDP #32242. It is simular in size. Advertised duration is 271/284, 222/234 @ 0.050", 0.486"/0.496" lift with 112 LSA. This cam made good power but it really wanted a higher stall converter. I guess I could have installed it advanced for more low end torque?
I think going with the smaller cam is the best choice if you plan on driving on the street.
Also, did your pistons have valve reliefs?
My "stock" replacement pistons had no valve reliefs, and I over-reved the 383, resulting in two bent intake valves.
Posted By: Scatransit

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/30/09 10:05 PM

That's good info...sorry about the bent valves...My pistons are flat on top - no reliefs - as were the originals...I'd like to hear how Landon1's car turns out...Let us know...
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/30/09 10:29 PM

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The hp BB cams in 70 were 268 on the intake so do you want the same size or bigger?




The modern grinds ARE larger. Because of lift. The old-school stuff was high in duration for a given lift so diveability suffered in the true Hi-Po grinds. Now you can get good lift at reasonable duration. A lunati 60303 is .493/.513 at 268/274 (as I recall---if thats not totatlly accurate its close) Look at the lift of the stock 268 lobes, its not even .480.
Modern grinds rock.



I dont argue the design of the modern cams is better. However, that doesnt change how long the valve is off the seat.




A modern grind 268 is not "the same size" as OEM 1970 268. And thats a wonderful thing!
Posted By: ademon

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/30/09 10:40 PM

the old 268 is around 212 @.050
Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/31/09 04:11 AM

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That's good info...sorry about the bent valves...My pistons are flat on top - no reliefs - as were the originals...I'd like to hear how Landon1's car turns out...Let us know...




That was almost 20-years ago, and the 451 stroker was the replacement motor
Posted By: DemonKyle

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/31/09 04:22 AM

i have the xe268h in my 360 and i love it
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 08/31/09 04:24 AM

Go with the comp xe268. With your compression, cubes, intake and exhaust that comp 268 is about the most amount of cam your combo will tolerate without a noticeable loss of bottom end power anyway. Actually with your combo I might even step down to the lunati voodoo 60302. It's got a little more lift than that comp but 4* @050 less duration than the comp268 and the 60302 is ground on a 112 lsa vs the comp's 110 lsa which the longer lsa may suit your stock 383 a little better anyway.
Posted By: landon1

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 09/04/09 12:49 AM

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That's good info...sorry about the bent valves...My pistons are flat on top - no reliefs - as were the originals...I'd like to hear how Landon1's car turns out...Let us know...






car is up and running pretty well - need to get it timed right and i think the carb needs some adjustment, but it runs pretty well, has a bit of a lope even with headers and 2.5" duals with turbo mufflers. haven't had a chance to get it on the road yet - have some other things i need to get done first.
Posted By: gd9704

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 09/06/09 12:23 AM

The 268 has a large following of very happy users here. For a largely stock engine (like yours) it seems to be a great upgrade. Like others above have said, a too-big cam for a street car will be less fun to drive.

I'd jab in the 268 and have fun!

My
Posted By: landon1

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 09/06/09 12:47 AM

i have a vid of my fresh 440 in the project section with hedmans and 2.5" summit exhaust - idle is basically stock - power is greatly improved over the stock low-comp set-up, throttle response is way better, revs about the same, but can definitely hear and feel the increase over stock - i could have went another step up probably, but with an auto, i didn't want to get into changing the converter, but i'm happy with it
Posted By: rss

Re: Comp Cams XE268H vs. XE274H? Opinions? - 06/19/10 07:56 PM



Trying to raise an old thread from the dead to see if OP has any results to post.
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