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building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go?

Posted By: coronet1966d

building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 05:09 AM

ive seen the banners here on moparts for 440 source so i checked them out and im just stunned by how low the prices are compared to small block stuff, mostly the stealth heads for $900

im planning on ordering a set of stealth heads

passenger side water pump housing and pump

serpentine pulley set

and a few other parts. im just wondering how the quality of there stuff is overall or if theres anything i should stay away from
Posted By: copchaser

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 05:19 AM

They are the place to go. Just check every thing over real good and there balance jobs suck. I've had 100% good luck, have done over 12 stroker engines useing there parts. A lot of people knock there stuff, that is to bad. There cranks and rods are Chinese made, well so is every one elses cranks and rods. Why pay more?
Posted By: coronet1966d

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 05:40 AM

im sticking with the stock rotating assembly just going to do the aluminum heads and a big cam with an eddy rpm

i need some more torque to move this big truck and the 360 is only getting me a 13.8 id like to move that down to a 12.8

Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 06:26 AM

Is there some reason your going 383 vs 440? Or at least 400?? The 383 while they can run good have some real disadvantages... Like the fact it's hard to get a decent C/R piston...
Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 06:57 AM

The stealth heads I got were really nice castings.
The springs and retainers are good for a decent sized hydraulic cam, but may need to be changed if using a large cam. The only item to note with the heads, is to use a large bore head gasket.
Their timming chain sets are nice too.

My machine shop re-ballanced one of their stroker kits, but I did not get the details why they did it?
I will pay closer attention to ballancing issues on the other kit I have.

I did get a timing chain oil slinger, and the crank hole was too small to fit over the crank snout. Their windage trays are designed to clear a 4.5" stroker crank, so they are too large (deep) to fit inside a stock style oil pan.
The aluminum rear oil seal retainer was slightly shorter than my oil pan rails, not a problem and maybe the same height as the stock seal retainer? I did not check the height of the stock one for comparison?
The ARP oil pump bolt kit for the HV oil pump are too long and bottom out before clamping the oil pump to the block. I few minutes with the grinder fixed that problem.
440 source customer service was good, and I would buy from them again. Those new cast valve covers look nice
Posted By: therocks

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 11:49 AM

I believe they fixed the chamber problem.Mine were one of the first sets.I used FelPro marine head gaskets and they fit perfect.Been on 2 years and no problems.I did have mine upgraded to Comp springs retainers and keepers for the big solid cam I run.That and they back cut the valves cleaned them up a bit and lapped the valves.That would have been done on any head except maybe a full ported set.Have them checked before you install them.Its cheap insurance.Rocky
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 12:22 PM

check the water passages in the alum wp housing

just read a post on that,the passages are smaller and was causing an heat problem

only what I read though,but worth checking
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 12:52 PM

Quote:

Is there some reason your going 383 vs 440? Or at least 400?? The 383 while they can run good have some real disadvantages... Like the fact it's hard to get a decent C/R piston...




The problem is the small bore and short stroke when it comes to getting compression , there are ways to get around it , but it's not cheap , NOTHING off the shelf .
Posted By: coronet1966d

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 03:50 PM

well i found a 383/727 out of a 67 new yorker for $300 and the same combo out of a 68 satellite for $350. ive only seen a handfull of 440's locally and they go for at least double and im not a big fan of the 400

i didnt realise the 383 wasnt a good motor to build? i looked up a 67 383 and it listed it as 280hp/400 ftlb 10:1 CR i figured heads cam intake and headers would easily get that in the 400hp neighborhood

maybe ill just hold out for a deal on a 440
Posted By: CHRGR69

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 03:58 PM

Their prices are low for a reason!
Posted By: coronet1966d

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 04:12 PM

im new to the big block thing. so any help would be....helpful


Posted By: Dodgem

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 04:16 PM

The stealth heads should be CNC ported and with Modern right down the street from you that would be the place to go!!!
Posted By: coronet1966d

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 04:17 PM

i dont have THAT kind of money
Posted By: 2boltmain

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 04:22 PM

We tend to poo poo the stock displacements because strokers are all the rage (And yes I want a 500" 400B engine too!) But really, a 425hp 383 is easy and affordable with the Stealth heads and a really good cam and valvetrain.
Posted By: AndyF

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 04:28 PM

Since you live in Clinton Twp you should be able to stop by Mancini Racing and talk to the guys there. They'll have books on big block motors that you can buy as well as a large selection of parts. The stealth heads are a good choice as long as you properly match the valve springs to the camshaft that you'll be using. A Performer RPM intake would be a good choice as well a good set of headers.
Posted By: BDS871Cuda

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 04:28 PM

Quote:

check the water passages in the alum wp housing

just read a post on that,the passages are smaller and was causing an heat problem

only what I read though,but worth checking





I read about the water pump housing from a couple
different users of it. Call 440source and see
what they have to say about it.

If you going to run the 383, just run the stock
heads on it and toss in a 474 purple cam. Check
the Summit cams out, they might have a good TQ
cam for a 383. I wouldn't spend money on Stealth
heads and big cam for just towing.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 05:40 PM

Quote:

We tend to poo poo the stock displacements because strokers are all the rage (And yes I want a 500" 400B engine too!) But really, a 425hp 383 is easy and affordable with the Stealth heads and a really good cam and valvetrain.




My comments about the 383 have nothing to do with wanting a stroker.. And getting 425Hp out of a 383 is gonna require very good machine work & picking the right combo of parts... A 383 due to it's bore size vs deck height/combustion chamber volume makes it tough to achive a true compression ratio greater than about 9-1 without using a domed piston... If you use aluminum heads & design for quench 10.5 is a safe number to shoot for so leaving 1.5 points on the table effects the power curve and fuel economy considerablely.. The numbers at peak may only be 10% but lower in the curve where most engines run 95% of the time the effect is greater..

400's devoloped a reputation as smog motors, typically as delivered they had a 8.0-1 compression ratio.. But getting a 400 up to 10-1 + is fairly easy & you have the benifit of 17 more cubes...

I just spent a few minutes calulating it out... If you can get the piston set at zero deck height & mill the stealths to 75cc chamber volume your be right at 10.5... It'll take a custom piston & machining the heads but...

Or you can build a 440 with off the shelf pistons, off the shelf Stealth heads obtain quench & a good compression ratio plus 57 more cubic inches..

So the money you saved on your core will be eaten up trying to make the 383 run the way it should...

BTW if your not familar with quench read this..

http://www.kb-silvolite.com/article.php?action=read&A_id=39

or this..

http://racingsecrets.com/article_racing-10.html

I realise the articles are titled as racing oriented but quench is more useful as a street engine concern then a race engine concern.. In a race engine racing fuel isn't a big step.. On a street engine getting the most power out of the available fuel is the key to a good street engine..
Posted By: MoparKansas

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 05:42 PM

Any book you would recommend in particular, Andy? Maybe one that was recently published?
Posted By: 71383beep

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 06:09 PM

Ahh c'mon 383's aren't bad builds. 425 is not that hard. The key like anything is compression. Just get some closed chamber heads and you'll be fine. If you have a 67 engine you probably allready have them. The 915's are the most desireable while the 516's can make adequate power for 400+ HP.

My lowly 383 is runing at 9.2:1 with reworked 516's and a .474 cam with the dreaded kb162's. It dynod at 400/430 hp/tq and has very good street manners. With 3.91 gears and 2600 stall it has got a few 440 notches in her belt.

Get some worked on closed chamber heads, if you gotta use KB pistons I would use the KB400's, a decent cam in the 230/240 @ 0.050" range, RPM intake, 650 Dp or better carb, 3.55 or better gears, headers, and go have some fun. If it works and you want more you can allways stroke it later. The same works for a 400 too.

If the guy allready has a 383 then let him build what he has. WHY does every answer gotta be go buy something else...
Posted By: GwaiiEagle

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 06:17 PM

I just got Andy's book this week after a six month wait.

I like it alot.

Gonna build big Mopar? Get bothe Senatore's and Andy's books.
Posted By: I go fast

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 08:12 PM

Quote:

well i found a 383/727 out of a 67 new yorker for $300 and the same combo out of a 68 satellite for $350. ive only seen a handfull of 440's locally and they go for at least double and im not a big fan of the 400

i didnt realise the 383 wasnt a good motor to build? i looked up a 67 383 and it listed it as 280hp/400 ftlb 10:1 CR i figured heads cam intake and headers would easily get that in the 400hp neighborhood

maybe ill just hold out for a deal on a 440





If you found a 67 New Yorker,it had a 440 unless someone changed it.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 08:30 PM

More reading..
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0#Post5442564
Posted By: coronet1966d

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 08:35 PM

thanks for the responses guys.. but to clear a few things up

1)i dont have an engine yet so 383vs400vs440 comments are welcome!

2)just because im putting it into a truck doesnt mean im towing

3)this is my hot rod and im shooting for high 12's

as it sits right now with an unported iron headed 360 it knocked down a 13.8
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 08:40 PM

FWIW your in an area with allot of sharp engine guys, you've already been given some good advise.. Think about the combination & your budget before you commit to a plan... I hate seeing the guys that spend allot of money but their stuff doesn't run strong...Mostly keep it fun...
Posted By: moper

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 08:44 PM

Something to note going from a 360 to 383... You are adding about 80lbs depending on the components. The 360 is a 3.58 stroke and 4.00 bore. The 383 is a 3.37 stroke and 4.25 bore. IMO, you are making a lateral move at best... With that truck's mass, you want as much stroke as you can get. If it were me, I'd invest in gears or parts for the 360 to go faster, or get your hands on a 440 and brake booster so you can bolt it in.
Posted By: coronet1966d

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 08:51 PM

im running 4.10 gears and a 4 speed. the 360 is in need of a refresh and i figured if im going to rebuild i might as well go bigger and sell the small block stuff
Posted By: GTXKen

Re: building a 383.. is 440 source the place to go? - 08/27/09 09:15 PM

If you go with aftermarket heads, Stealth or otherwise, make sure you take them to someone who can check do a valvejob, check stem heights and in general clean the heads up before you use them so budget for that as well. $200 to $500. If your not going to do that have a valve job done on the stick heads.


Ken
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