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Gas tank venting problem - help!

Posted By: aar1

Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 12:30 PM

I just discovered that my gas tank DOES NOT have any vents in it. There is no nipple on the tank to connect the vent hose to. The tank has a vented gas cap on it. The tank builds up a lot of positive pressure so when you remove the cap, there is a rush of vapors out of the tank.
What are my options to correct this? It’s actually bad enough to push gas out around the cap if I fill the car up then it sets in the sun. Is there a different cap I could use or do I just need to put in a correct vented tank? If it matters, this is for a '70 cuda.
Thanks!!
Posted By: Moparnut

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 12:44 PM

Your gas cap is not a vented type as it seals the tank. If you can located a vented cap then this should correct your issue. This will allow the pressure to escape.
Posted By: aar1

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 12:48 PM

The gas cap is a vented type, at least that is what is stamped on it, unless it's not functioning. But isn't a vented gas cap like a check valve, only letting air in but not out? Is there a way to test a gas cap?
Posted By: Moparnut

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 01:05 PM

I am assuming this is a new tank that was installed when the car was restored or tank replaced. You can add a vent but would have to drop the tank and empty to put in a vent. I would not do this in the car for fear of fire.
I had a buddy do this and he dropped the tank and welded a nipple on the tank. (Chev )
I have also seen some people drill a very small hole in the cap to allow the release of pressure. Not my way of fixing a problem but have seen it done.
I don't know where you can have the tank cap checked but I think there was a device that the old mechanics used to check them similar to what they are doing now to check gas caps for emission testing.
Posted By: stubbs300

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 01:24 PM

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If you can located a vented cap then this should correct your issue. This will allow the pressure to escape.



Not in my case it doesn't with a vented cap! I'm sure the 70 cuda has alot more vent lines than my a100 and I can't put more than a 1/3 of a tank of gas before it starts happening to me. I think alot of it has to do with this reformulated crap thaey call gas. In the meantime, The struggle continues!
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 01:35 PM

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I just discovered that my gas tank DOES NOT have any vents in it.




Are you sure? I'm not familer with reg 70 tanks, but I'm sure there are vent nipples on the tank when it was made, no matter what year it was built for.
Posted By: aar1

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 01:50 PM

Yes........ there are no vent nipples on the tank. It IS NOT an original tank. A previous owner bought it from Year One about 15 years ago.
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 01:56 PM

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Yes........ there are no vent nipples on the tank. It IS NOT an original tank. A previous owner bought it from Year One about 15 years ago.




Does it fit right? I'd get a correct tank for your 70 cuda and hook everything up like it was when new.
Posted By: aar1

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 02:03 PM

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Does it fit right? I'd get a correct tank for your 70 cuda and hook everything up like it was when new.



The fit was fine, just no provision for venting

If I do end up getting a "correct" tank, where's the best place to get them? Do they all come from the same chinese boat or are there any tanks out there that are better quality?
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 02:12 PM

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If I do end up getting a "correct" tank, where's the best place to get them? Do they all come from the same chinese boat or are there any tanks out there that are better quality?




E bay is one of the better choices I think. You might want to remove your tank and take a good look, because I'm thinking no one would make a tank without venting provisions.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 04:06 PM



If I do end up getting a "correct" tank, where's the best place to get them? Do they all come from the same chinese boat or are there any tanks out there that are better quality?








Quanta makes the best repro tanks.........
Posted By: Rollin Hand

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 04:37 PM

Take out the filler neck and add a nipple from 1/4 steel tube and make your own vent line.
Posted By: Snoopy

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 05:46 PM

Did you look on the front of the tank for vent nipples?
Posted By: aar1

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 05:55 PM

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Did you look on the front of the tank for vent nipples?




Looked and felt up there but couldn't find anything Also.... if there were a vent nipple somewhere on the tank but the rubber vent hose just didn't get hooked up, the tank would not build up positive pressure, would it? The pressure would be released via the nipple and I would be smelling gas fumes, correct?
Posted By: 2RTSE

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 06:08 PM


Just went through this nightmare on my 70 Challenger. Found out that 70's have a nipple on the top of the filler tube inside the trunk which gets vented through the trunk floor into the right frame rail. Drilling a hole in a vented gas cap will vent the tank but also allow gas to spill out. I know!!
What you have is a filler tube from a 72-74 ebody which has a totally different venting system.
Posted By: aar1

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 06:18 PM

This is for a cuda, so there will not be a vent nipple on the filler tube. That is only on the challenger since it's filler tube is over on the right side. Cuda is behind the license plate.
Posted By: aarcuda

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/21/09 07:31 PM

the cuda vent should be on the passenger side top edge. I believe there is a slanted flat middle section (vs a rounded 90 degree top edge). a small nipple with a tiny hole in it. no vent on the filler neck
Posted By: solarguy

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/22/09 01:29 AM

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the cuda vent should be on the passenger side top edge. I believe there is a slanted flat middle section (vs a rounded 90 degree top edge). a small nipple with a tiny hole in it. no vent on the filler neck






and it's hiding behind the heat sheild. Goes up through the trunk and back through the rear frame rail.
Posted By: 383man

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/22/09 04:04 AM

A vented cap will vent all the time. You must have the newer cap that only vents when so much pressure or vacum is built up. Get a cap for something like a 66 Coronet or something along that line and you will be fine. Thats what I did on my sons 72 Dart. Ron
Posted By: Rick_Ehrenberg

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/22/09 04:15 AM

There are 3 basic type of gas caps:

"NOT VENTED" - As the name implies. Seals tight. Used on cars with another method of venting the tank.

"VENTED" - basically, open to the atmosphere - a pinhole, etc. I suppose this could somehow get clogged or plugged, but this is hard to fathom.

"PRESSURE-VACUUM" - This type has a small check valve built in, allows unrestricted flow of make-up air in; vents to the atmosphere at a predetermined pressure point.

I have found that this last type covers a multitude of sins (venting problems, raw fuel spillage, etc.)

Rick E.
Posted By: Boise Chall

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/22/09 05:27 AM

I just went through this on my 72 challenger. Take the cap off and take a small piece of hose and put it on the the hole you see in the center of the inside of the cap and try to blow through it I bet you can't. Don't try to blow through it with compressed air like I did because it seems like it works with 100 psi but if you had 100 psi in your tank you would probably have a sending unit sticking in your back after the explosion Is it a Stant cap? I think you got one from the same production run that I have. The vent plunger is not drilled all the way through. I took a small drill bit and finished drilling the plunger in the center of the inside if the cap it works fine now
Posted By: aar1

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/23/09 12:34 AM

Here is a picture of my gas cap. This is what is on my gas tank that has no vent nipple. It says "Anti Surge" above the tabs and says "Vented" below the tabs.

Is this cap meant to let air in and out?? Or just let air in as the fuel level drops?

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Posted By: Boise Chall

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/23/09 10:31 AM

Like I said put a small piece of hose on the hole in the center of the inside of the cap and try to blow through it if you can't blow through it it is not vented or it's plugged. In the amount of time it took you to take the picture you could have checked it, drilled and put it back on your car and waxed a couple ricers. Like I said I just went through this 2 weeks ago. You might want to smell your oil you probably have gas in it from all of the fuel that was being pushed passed the needle and seat in the carb flooding the motor
Posted By: Rick_Ehrenberg

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/23/09 12:56 PM

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Here is a picture of my gas cap. This is what is on my gas tank that has no vent nipple. It says "Anti Surge" above the tabs and says "Vented" below the tabs.

Is this cap meant to let air in and out?? Or just let air in as the fuel level drops?




That sure looks like a pressure-vacuum cap. It will let make-up air in unrestricted, and let air out (pressure from expansion) out once a predetermined PSI / KpA is reached. I guess it can fail like anything else mechanical.

It is normal to hear a "whoosh" when removing it.

It is unusual to see one of those without the second set of bayonet tabs, which are designed to keep the cap from hitting you in the face. Maybe first year for the design?

Rick
Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: Gas tank venting problem - help! - 08/23/09 03:27 PM

when day is hot or I have shaked the car a lot when driving I'm able to hear a WHISTLE comming out from gas cap ( Stant "vented" ) Whistle comes from rubber seal. I simply moves a little bit the cap and pressure is enough released to quit the whistle.

I have known the "vented" is mainly to allow the air get in as far fuel goes down BUT who cares about air coming in if anyway vapor gas presssure is getting inside ? it won't need get air in with all the vapors.
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