Posted By: aarcuda
lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang frickn FIXED! - 08/15/09 09:28 PM
was out playing today after playing with my carbs. made a few adjustments and took it to my private drag strip for a test.
Good news id that the LM1 shows i may have cured the lean spot in first when i punch it. better news is that the change to the brown accel cam and 35 squirter and purple outboard springs shows I may have picked up a whole bunch of acceleration (1/4 to a 1/2 sec through second)
bad news is that when i put it in reverse to make my second pass i get NOTHING. nada. no move. I put it in 1sr and i drive back to the shop the long way. 1st 2nd and 3rd seem fine.
no reverse.
Any clues what i broke? I have a transmission guy who'll fix me up but im wondering what i did to it. any clues?
the trans was rebuilt last year with new clutches, bands, seals, 4.2 lever, cheetah VB, hi flow filter and bolt in sprag.
BTW, its actually not a bad thing. i have a new converter, a new super sprag i want to throw in there and I'll be getting a new steel drum just for the heck of it. ive been looking for a reason to pull the 727 out so i can upgrayed it
Posted By: D_C
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/15/09 09:41 PM
Guesses:
Problem with the Sprague?
Reverse Band issue?
Posted By: 70AARcuda
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/15/09 09:43 PM
if you lost reverse and nothing else...
check rear servo...rear band strut...and rear band adjustment
Posted By: aarcuda
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/15/09 09:49 PM
i had a clue this was coming. this morning i went to a friends house he's building and parked in his driveway.
went i went to leave, i wanted to leave some rubber backing out of his new driveway. when I held the brake and gassed it, it reved up good and i thought i was leaving my marks until i backed out and saw NOTHING on the driveway. i thought "thats weird, wheres the burnout?" and I drove home and into the shop. backing out to make my test run, it backed out just fine. until after the run when i tried to back up for run #2- NOTHING.
i can feel it go in to reverse (rpms drop slightly) but no go.
Posted By: dOOc
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/15/09 10:50 PM
70aar said it .. pull the pan and pull-down on the apply lever.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/16/09 02:52 AM
The band adjustment that can be accessed from outside the trans case is 2nd gear... Reverse is the rear band & to access it you'll need to drop the pan...
Posted By: aarcuda
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/16/09 05:38 PM
well, i may have figured it out. my low/reverse band was super loose. like 5 1/5 turns out. i may have a worn drum. I tightened it up- torqued it to 70 in-lbs, then backed it off 2 turns. i barely have much thread left on the adjuster as the lock nut is flush with the last thread.
i can see the drum has some wear. hopefully, the band (new last year) isnt toast.
i'll know more min a few hours when i get some more type F fluid and give it a ride
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/16/09 06:04 PM
It will likely work fine for now, try to minmize the burnouts in reverse & expect to replace the band & drum when it comes apart...
Posted By: earlybee
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/17/09 02:56 AM
(thats the big cludgey looking linkage in there with the small 1" by 1.5" steel plate right?) Could be bent.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/17/09 06:13 PM
Time for a "real" transmission..
Posted By: aarcuda
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/17/09 06:52 PM
naw, i just need a new drum and a new band.
too much torque will do that to a transmission
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/17/09 08:06 PM
Quote:
naw, i just need a new drum and a new band.
too much torque will do that to a transmission
Not if they're built right...
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/17/09 10:42 PM
Or operated right, if LBA equipped lots of manual 1-2 upshifting will hasten the rear drum/band wear especially if no servo mods have been done.
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/18/09 07:21 PM
If the VB has compression braking in 1st gear it's LBA and the band is applied/released on each 1-2 shift cycle. The stock servo needs to be rigidized and a heavier spring installed but this might have already been done when the VB was installed.
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: lost reverse. reggin smeggin friggin dang fricken DOH! - 08/18/09 11:11 PM
Even with the correctly modified servo there is a lot of drag as the band releases on the 1-2 upshift, it was never designed to be used on a continuous basis.