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What should this cost? "Updated"

Posted By: Russ

What should this cost? "Updated" - 06/30/08 12:05 PM

Looks like a head gasket blew In my Aries with a 2.2,what should a shop normally charge to fix It?
I'd do It myself,but just don't have the time to do that right now.
Posted By: bighughey

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 01:35 PM

depending on how hot the motor got if everything is ok, you will almost always need to have the head milled if its not cracked prob around 1000 dollars
Posted By: Russ

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 04:31 PM

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depending on how hot the motor got if everything is ok, you will almost always need to have the head milled if its not cracked prob around 1000 dollars



Yep,looks like around $1.200,looks like she will be scrapped,because It's not worth that much,car Is like new,and low mileage,but not worth the expense

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Posted By: Russ

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 05:23 PM

Just did a compression test,and all cylinders are within 15 lbs,the lowest being 130lbs,with a little oil fouling on one plug,but all are holding pressure,so It's not a head gasket
Now i have to figure out where all the antifreeze Is going,and why It spikes hot,then goes back to normal
Posted By: Russ

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 05:35 PM

I was just P.Od.at It,I don't want to scrap It!
It's a good car,just a little mad at It right now

Would a thermostat,and or waterpump cause It to do that?
Posted By: stumpy

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 05:56 PM

Spend a few bucks and have someone pressure test your cooling system.
Posted By: 71rm23

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 06:09 PM

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depending on how hot the motor got if everything is ok, you will almost always need to have the head milled if its not cracked prob around 1000 dollars



Yep,looks like around $1.200,looks like she will be scrapped,because It's not worth that much,car Is like new,and low mileage,but not worth the expense



First of all, need to take the head off to see if it is cracked. If it is, yeah it will run around $1000-$1200. I was lucky though. Did the same to my '93 Ply. Acclaim. Took the head off and sent it to a machine shop. There, they checked to see if it is cracked, checked good. Then the machine shop re-surface it and cleaned it up. Total cost-$200. I put a better head gasket on from Mopar(new one is a better material and thickness) for $40. New head bolts with washers from Mopar-$20. Installed a new thermo and H2O pump for $40. A lot of cussing and patients but the car runs COOL now. All in all, roughly about $400 total with the parts as mentioned and new belts, oil change, and supplies
Posted By: Russ

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 06:51 PM

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depending on how hot the motor got if everything is ok, you will almost always need to have the head milled if its not cracked prob around 1000 dollars



Yep,looks like around $1.200,looks like she will be scrapped,because It's not worth that much,car Is like new,and low mileage,but not worth the expense



First of all, need to take the head off to see if it is cracked. If it is, yeah it will run around $1000-$1200. I was lucky though. Did the same to my '93 Ply. Acclaim. Took the head off and sent it to a machine shop. There, they checked to see if it is cracked, checked good. Then the machine shop re-surface it and cleaned it up. Total cost-$200. I put a better head gasket on from Mopar(new one is a better material and thickness) for $40. New head bolts with washers from Mopar-$20. Installed a new thermo and H2O pump for $40. A lot of cussing and patients but the car runs COOL now. All in all, roughly about $400 total with the parts as mentioned and new belts, oil change, and supplies




That was you doing your own labor though,I just don't have the time or patience right now to do It myself,i will take It to a shop and have the cooling system pressure checked
Posted By: Russ

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 07:46 PM

Put a new thermostat in,and i noticed no coolant coming out,when i took out the old one,so I put a new one in,as soon as I started It,the coolant in the radiator,came running out of the filler neck,the car hasn't been run since yesterday,so everything was not hot.
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 07:56 PM

fill the radiator to the top and use shop air in one cylinder at a time to see if there is bubbles. You may have to use a socket and breaker bar to close the valves .
Posted By: Dcuda69

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 08:17 PM

2.2's usually leaked external(driver/pass rear corners)so a compression test won't show a thing!Look for green/white stains at block/head.Coolant level drops and you get air pockets causing your guage swings.The heads have been known to crack between the seats,but it causes no problems(similar to magnum heads)If it were mine I'd pop the head,clean the gaskets,install a 2.2 turbo head gasket and put it back together!Remove the plug in the head(above t-stat,sometimes a switch or sender)when filling to elimate air pockets behind t-stat.Hope this helps,I've done quite a few of these back in the day!Good luck!
Posted By: Russ

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 08:18 PM

You lost me on that one,what about the pressure pump the screws on the radiator?
Posted By: Dcuda69

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 08:22 PM

A cooling system pressure tester may help,but Ive seen some leak so slowly it was hard to see.Do you notice it run rough at cold start? Sometimes they will seep into the comb. chamber and misfire for a few seconds at cold start then run fine the rest of the day.
Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: What should this cost? "Updated" - 06/30/08 08:56 PM

My wife's 2.2 Sundance would heat up and then all of a sudden break loose and cool off. It was a plugged heater core.

Sheldon
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 09:26 PM

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You lost me on that one,what about the pressure pump the screws on the radiator?



You want to pressurize the cylinder which most likely will induce the air into the radiator. Maybe you need to bring it to a place for a qualified diagnosis.
Posted By: Chilort

Re: What should this cost? - 06/30/08 09:54 PM

That's a nice looking Aries ....... wait, did I just say that?

Anyway, I wish you were closer so I could hang out under the hood (my daily ride is an '86 Daytona Turbo Z C/S). I've kind of gotten used to working in the cramped quarters of the k-car style Dodges.

After changing the t-stat you need to burp the system. If your head doesn't have a burp plug behind the stat (some didn't) or is stuck (most are), then I would recommend pulling the t-stat back out, drilling a 1/16-1/8 hole in it, and putting it back in.

The cooling systems in these cars are 1) not simple, and 2) fail often. Make sure the fan is kicking on (if not, there is a fan relay).

If it isn't spitting fluid to the outside, make sure the fluids aren't mixing up on the inside. The heater cores and radiators plug often. I would be more willing to change a head gasket than a heater core. Half the interior has to come out of the car to change the heater core. But you live in Florida, so just bypass the heater core.

Hope this helps.
Posted By: Russ

Re: What should this cost? - 07/01/08 01:12 AM

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A cooling system pressure tester may help,but Ive seen some leak so slowly it was hard to see.Do you notice it run rough at cold start? Sometimes they will seep into the comb. chamber and misfire for a few seconds at cold start then run fine the rest of the day.


A couple of times before this started,It would not start on It's own,untill i gave It some gas,but being a fuel Injected motor,you should just turn the key,and away It goes,I was told to take out the thermostat,which i did tonight,fill the block,which i did,and pull the plugs and coil wire,and turn it over,and If It's blown,the cylinder that has a problem will spit coolant out the spark plug hole,It got too dark,so I;ll see what happens tomorrow,THANKS for all the info guys!!!!
It's a good little car,but It's driving me nuts
Posted By: MLR426

Re: What should this cost? - 07/01/08 03:26 AM

Russ

Before you try to start it after it's been setting a while pull the plugs and push the water out the cylinders if it has leaked in, you could hydraulic a connecting rod. Your car is worth fixing and it isn't a tough job to change a head on a 2.2 Most 2.2 engine have head gasket failure
and need milled to straighten the head. There will be small cracks between the seats which is common.
There is no water between the seats and the small cracks are often peened shut to help tighten up the seats before seat grinding. Head can be rebuilt for less than 200 dollars in most shops
if no major damage.

logan426 Performance Plus Cylinder Head
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: What should this cost? - 07/01/08 04:34 AM

Why would you consider scrapping a car rather than making the time to do the repair? Even if it takes some time, that car looks in nice shape!

Second, are you even sure you've toasted a head gasket? You said in your original post you thought you popped a head gasket. What makes you think that???
Posted By: Russ

Re: What should this cost? - 07/01/08 12:46 PM

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Why would you consider scrapping a car rather than making the time to do the repair? Even if it takes some time, that car looks in nice shape!

Second, are you even sure you've toasted a head gasket? You said in your original post you thought you popped a head gasket. What makes you think that???



I was P.Od at It when i said I was going to scrap It,but the thing Is only worth so much,the reason,i thought It was a head gasket,was It overheated,and there was no coolant leaks.

Anyhow,went to start It,and no coolant comes out of the plug hole,so back to square one,I have another 86 Aries with 86.000 miles,I might have them sent out and just do a drivetrain swap,i found the other Aries In a salvage yard,and It runs good,but doesn't have a title
Posted By: Russ

Re: What should this cost? - 07/01/08 04:55 PM

took out the thermostat,put the plugs back In,and drove it about 3 miles,now It feels like It's running on 3 cylinders at a stop sign,but clears up when I take off,got back home,and the coolant Is gurgling Into the overflow tank
Posted By: Chilort

Re: What should this cost? - 07/01/08 05:07 PM

Are you sure the fan is kicking on?
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: What should this cost? - 07/01/08 06:11 PM

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took out the thermostat,put the plugs back In,and drove it about 3 miles,now It feels like It's running on 3 cylinders at a stop sign,but clears up when I take off,got back home,and the coolant Is gurgling Into the overflow tank



I told you how to diagnose it.
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: What should this cost? - 07/01/08 07:15 PM

Okay, I over heated my 87 daytona a few times and the problem never was a head gasket. In fact I never did have to do a head gasket in that car even after really overheating it a few times. Turns out the problem was a plugged heater core. For some reason on these cars, once the heater core plugs, the motor overheats. More so it's noticeable because the temp gauge swings back and forth a lot, where when the cooling system is functioning properly the needle doesn't move once you get up to operating temp. Not wanting to have to change the heater core, I gave the entire cooling system a good flush, then spent some time flushing the heater core. Then refilled the entire cooling system with distilled water/coolant, blurped the cooling system and guess what? No more overheating. All the head gasket changes in the world wouldn't have fixed that problem for me.
Posted By: Russ

Re: What should this cost? - 07/01/08 09:30 PM

I'm trailering It to a repair shop tomorrow,and see what happens,i'm tired of messing with It.
Posted By: Russ

Re: What should this cost? - 07/03/08 01:27 AM

took It to 3 different places,and all said,the motor was shot,and not worth even an engine swap,so i took it to the crusher,and bought this

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Posted By: earlybee

Re: What should this cost? - 07/03/08 04:32 AM

You don,t fool around!
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