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Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long

Posted By: convertriple

Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/28/09 10:30 PM

I have less than 10 miles on my rebuilt 340 in an A-body, and it is pinging like crazy. I have it backed down to 28 degrees total timing and it still has a very slight hint of pinging. At 30 degrees total and above, pinging is quite noticeable.
Here's my specs:

340 stock stroke with 10.5 TRW L2316 pistons,
2.02/1.6 stainless valved, iron heads with pocket porting and a small amount of port cleanup.
Air gap dual plane intake with a 600 holley vac secondary which may get replaced with a 750 vacuum.
1 5/8 Hooker comp headers with full exhaust
older Mallory unilite distributor, all timing in by 3000
After cc'ing the heads, static compression figured at 9.5:1

I am running an 80's version of the MP 280/.474 cam, which may have different timing specs than the newer version (different part number). I seem to remember that this cam would "build" compression due to its valve timing, but its been a long time and my memory has seen better days. I ran this exact combination in the late 80's and it ran awesome. I guess gas quality has come WAY down in 20 years.

We ran cranking compression on two cylinders and they came in between 170 and 195 psi. I'm not sure if those levels are too high for 91 octane (best pump gas I can find).

Any ideas on how to eliminate the pinging so I can crank the timing back up to normal levels? This thing is a pig at 28 degrees.

I was thinking of a cam swap to lower cylinder pressure, but am wide open to other ideas.
Posted By: Dougsmopars

Re: Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/28/09 10:34 PM

with 9.5 to 1 comp it should be fine with premium fuel. Sure you have good gas? Sounds like a new build. Try getting some new gas from another station. bad fuel is not uncommon
Posted By: MoparforLife

Re: Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/28/09 10:51 PM

anything above about 165/170 lbs. clyinder pressure is playing with fire on pump premium.
Posted By: YO7_A66

Re: Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/28/09 11:06 PM

What is your jetting in the 600?
What is your initial timing?
Are you running vacuum advance? If so, how much?
What plugs (heat range) are you running?
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/28/09 11:24 PM

with compression readings that high you have an actual CR of over 9.5 plus no quench. You'll need to proportion in some race gas asap, pinging does alot of damage in addition to killing performance
Posted By: DAMOPARS

Re: Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/28/09 11:36 PM

Get 5 gallons of 110
Posted By: dgc333

Re: Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/28/09 11:51 PM

Quote:

anything above about 165/170 lbs. clyinder pressure is playing with fire on pump premium.




Not really, with a well sorted out engine 205-210 psi is not out of the question on pump gas.

I have 185-195 cranking psi (10.6:1 measured static compression)on my magnum headed 360 and I run it on 89 octane.

To the OP are you sure the timing mark on the balancer is accurate? If it's not in the right place you could have more timing than you think.

With 165/170 psi you should be able to run on 87 octane.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/28/09 11:55 PM

Quote:

I have 185-195 cranking psi (10.6:1 measured static compression)on my magnum headed 360 and I run it on 89 octane.


Do you have quench?
Posted By: solidcam

Re: Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/29/09 12:00 AM

Might get away with that C.R with magnums.But the original poster has a slightly domed piston (TRW 10.5) and open chamber heads.I have run the exact same set-up and detonation was a major factor.With that combo as the original poster stated backing off the timing will result in poor performance,get the timing where it needs to be and use a higher octane fuel.
Posted By: Noblewk

Re: Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/29/09 12:08 AM

Quote:

with compression readings that high you have an actual CR of over 9.5 plus no quench. You'll need to proportion in some race gas asap, pinging does alot of damage in addition to killing performance




Wow!!!
How did you figure that he has no quench? He didn't state what heads he was using, what head gaskets nor how high out of the bore his pistons were.

Richen up your jets and make sure not running lean. A lean ping happens. Agree also that your balancer may have skipped. Use a piston stop and check it out.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/29/09 12:21 AM

Quote:

Wow!!!
How did you figure that he has no quench? He didn't state what heads he was using, what head gaskets nor how high out of the bore his pistons were.


My experience from his given info. If he does in fact have it I am sure he will let me know & we will go from there.
Posted By: convertriple

Re: Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/29/09 01:06 AM

Quote:

What is your jetting in the 600?
What is your initial timing?
Are you running vacuum advance? If so, how much?
What plugs (heat range) are you running?




I am not sure offhand on the jetting, but the plugs look good. I am going to throw a 750 on this weekend and see if it gets any better, will mess more with jetting then.

Initial advance right now is about 10-11 with 17 centrifugal. I had started with 17 initial.
Tried with and without vacuum advance, definately worse with vacuum advance, so it was plugged on most tests including 28 degrees total run.
I am running one or two steps colder than stock on the plugs, been awhile since I bought the plugs, hard to remember.

Non-quench, non-magnum heads.
Balancer is correct, verified during the build.

Thanks for the help guys, I really appreciate it, keep it coming!
Posted By: YO7_A66

Re: Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/29/09 10:18 AM

""I am not sure offhand on the jetting""

That is where I would start. A lean carb will add pinging. Let us know what jets you have.
Posted By: ThermoQuad

Re: Help please! Pinging/Timing issue 340 - long - 07/29/09 11:23 AM

Initial timing needs to be at least 15 Degrees BTDC. The rest of the curve should come in slow till all in at 2600 rpm. Total of 32.

Distributor needs to be check for proper phasing which has been covered before and beaten to death.
A properly phased/curved distributor is required or just keep chasing your tail.

Antifreeze should be 60% water 40% antifreeze
195 degree Thermostat

Quality spark plug wires like Firecores.

Once the initial timing/recurve/phasing and mixture adjustments etc have been resolved you can adjust the jetting.
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