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440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!!

Posted By: JohnnyBeGood

440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 05:58 AM

Here we go again! I am one of those ones that would like to build a stout street mauler using iron heads like 915s or 906s. I agree with everyone that its not worth spending gobs of money on these heads so how would you build yours? To start with I will use 2.14/1.81 valves.
Posted By: Dusted_Ya

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 06:04 AM

well I would start with changing feint to faint.
Posted By: CJK440

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 12:25 PM

feint is the proper spelling.

Perhaps you want to get in touch with some of the F.A.S.T. guys running wedge motors and see what they had done.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 12:41 PM

The 906's would be cheaper to come by than the 915's & there is a set of 2.14/1.81's for sale in either the race or the bb section.
Posted By: Supercuda

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 01:42 PM

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feint is the proper spelling.





Only if you're planning a misdirection, which is probably what this post is.

If you mean not for the weak of heart then it's faint.

But hey, language, who give a darn. I'll blither and let you figure it out.
Posted By: Pool Fixer

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 01:51 PM

how about 516's since your probably going to put larger valves in anyway. they would be cheaper than 915's to start with, still closed chambered.

I seem to remember that the small valve was the only major difference between 516 and 915... it's been a while though..
Posted By: yella71

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 02:20 PM

If you could find a set the early stage 4 iron heads are very good.The ports are larger than std. bb iron heads and the dog leg is almost elimated as cast. the casting has extra materal for porting also. Every thing stock will bolt up.For an iron head motor they would be worth findinga set.I know this because I have a set and they work very good. Also from the outside you canot tell that they are not stock heads.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 02:36 PM

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feint is the proper spelling.





Only if you're planning a misdirection, which is probably what this post is.

If you mean not for the weak of heart then it's faint.

But hey, language, who give a darn. I'll blither and let you figure it out.






Faint: lacking courage and spirit, strength or vigor

Feint: a mock blow or attack on or toward one part in order to distract attention from the point one really intends to attack
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 04:00 PM

my goodness ..

back on topic , used closed chamber heads , buy 915's , the ports of the 516 are not as good as the 915/906
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 04:16 PM

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I would like to build a stout street mauler


I would go with alum stealths but you said iron. 915's would let you get quench which would let you support a much higher CR on the exact same fuel but are a bit scarce & therefore pricey, 906's are common but you'd have no quench, as double R stated the 516's need to be ported correctly with some one who has experience with that particular port shape to get the most out of them and they are cheap & the closed chamber would let you set up for quench. IF the cc's of the 516's and the stealth's are very close you would be able to switch at a later date & keep your CR right where you want it EDIT forgot that the alum wants a higher CR so disregard that last sentence
Posted By: JohnnyBeGood

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 10:13 PM

I am amazed sometimes to the responses I get asking these green horn questions but i dont mind II will keep asking until I get the answer I want to hear! I have both 915s and 906s which way would you go and why?
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 10:18 PM

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I have both 915s and 906s which way would you go




Sell both sets and but some 440 source or Edelbrock heads ready to run out of the box.
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 11:06 PM

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I am amazed sometimes to the responses I get asking these green horn questions but i dont mind II will keep asking until I get the answer I want to hear! I have both 915s and 906s which way would you go and why?




I love it when people fish for answers .

you have both heads , you want to run cast iron heads , ignore the get alum heads , USE THE 915's , prop a door open wit hthe 906's , it's really that simple ... really
Posted By: JohnnyBeGood

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 05/31/09 11:41 PM

Alright-you see I knew I would get a decent answer! Ok now how would you build it? Im will be installing 2.14/1.88 valves and a bowl blend would be in good order too! And the rest of the engine...
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/01/09 12:20 AM

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Alright-you see I knew I would get a decent answer! Ok now how would you build it? Im will be installing 2.14/1.88 valves and a bowl blend would be in good order too! And the rest of the engine...




you need a little more than a bowl blend to get the benifit of adding the larger valves , so you are going to drop some money on the heads whether you like it or not .

As for the rest of the build the next answers you get will all have the words STROKER CRANK in it
Posted By: E85-408

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/01/09 01:05 AM

With the larger valves there is ton of low and mid lift flow from deshrouding the valves. It takes abit to get the chambers the same size but if you have the time its worth it. You could also have that done by a shop instead or grinding if you have the extra money.
Posted By: forphorty

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/01/09 01:21 AM

do a google search for"cylinder heads part 1". You will find Dulcich's article from Mopar Muscle. then look for part 2 and 3. For some reason its easier to do a Google search than to navigate Mopar Muscles site. Lots of good info.
Posted By: Robbins

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/01/09 02:15 AM

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I am amazed sometimes to the responses I get asking these green horn questions but i dont mind II will keep asking until I get the answer I want to hear! I have both 915s and 906s which way would you go and why?




I love it when people fish for answers .

you have both heads , you want to run cast iron heads , ignore the get alum heads , USE THE 915's , prop a door open wit hthe 906's , it's really that simple ... really


Can you say quench?
Posted By: dave571

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/01/09 04:31 AM

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Alright-you see I knew I would get a decent answer! Ok now how would you build it? Im will be installing 2.14/1.88 valves and a bowl blend would be in good order too! And the rest of the engine...



How stout of a motor are you looking for?
What car you dumping it in?

Mine is 915's and runs well. Idles well. Would do well in a street car(I street drive mine)

Home ported 915's with STOCK valve size. fairly mild, but massaged.
440 .030 over with 6 pack slugs
10.6:1 comp
242 @ 50 hydrualic racer brown cam
1.6/1.5 combo roller rockers
eddy rpm manifold
750 mighty demon
3400 stall 9" converter
373 gears.
junkyard headers
3" exhaust back to the flowmasters, and 2.5" tail pipes after that
mopar electronic distributor, with aftermarket fbo ign box
Holley blue pump with 1/2" supply line to dual feed -6 lines from the reg to the carb.

As it sits now, my best pass is in the sig line. The car was a little lighter a few years back(added a dana and a second battery) so it was as fast as 11.70 then(still the same motor, converter, etc). Still over 3800 pounds even then.

FWIW, I ran the same motor with a set of 452's that I ported(in the same way the 915's are), and stock rockers, and it was 7 tenths slower.
Posted By: Ledman_70

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/01/09 03:35 PM

I have a set of the iron stage 3 or 4 heads with valves that need redone if you're interested for $250 plus shipping.
Posted By: 383man

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/01/09 04:47 PM

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Alright-you see I knew I would get a decent answer! Ok now how would you build it? Im will be installing 2.14/1.88 valves and a bowl blend would be in good order too! And the rest of the engine...



How stout of a motor are you looking for?
What car you dumping it in?

Mine is 915's and runs well. Idles well. Would do well in a street car(I street drive mine)

Home ported 915's with STOCK valve size. fairly mild, but massaged.
440 .030 over with 6 pack slugs
10.6:1 comp
242 @ 50 hydrualic racer brown cam
1.6/1.5 combo roller rockers
eddy rpm manifold
750 mighty demon
3400 stall 9" converter
373 gears.
junkyard headers
3" exhaust back to the flowmasters, and 2.5" tail pipes after that
mopar electronic distributor, with aftermarket fbo ign box
Holley blue pump with 1/2" supply line to dual feed -6 lines from the reg to the carb.

As it sits now, my best pass is in the sig line. The car was a little lighter a few years back(added a dana and a second battery) so it was as fast as 11.70 then(still the same motor, converter, etc). Still over 3800 pounds even then.

FWIW, I ran the same motor with a set of 452's that I ported(in the same way the 915's are), and stock rockers, and it was 7 tenths slower.





My mild 440 is very close to Dave's build here but I run a .557 solid cam and I use 906 heads with KB quench pad pistons. These pistons have a flat pad that goes up into the combustion chamber. Not for a raise in comp but to get the piston closer to the head for quench. I run 10.0 comp and I did some port work on my 906's. I also run 4.30's with 30" tires and I drive it everywhere including to the track. My best is 11.52 in my 3700 lb 63 Sport Fury.

But if I had the closed chamber 915's I would use them over 906's as they work better using a flattop piston at zero deck to get great quench. Definetly use the 915's. Ron
Posted By: dave571

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/01/09 07:04 PM

Yes Ron's is another great example of a mean, iron 440.
Posted By: 383man

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/01/09 07:26 PM

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Yes Ron's is another great example of a mean, iron 440.




Thank you Dave. And your car is a great running iron head basic 440. Ron
Posted By: CRE2004

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/02/09 12:46 AM

I'd use 452's with the chambers welded up...
Posted By: RemCharger

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/02/09 01:03 AM

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Yes Ron's is another great example of a mean, iron 440.




Thank you Dave. And your car is a great running iron head basic 440. Ron


To add to that I ran a stock .150 holed 440 with 906's and a .528 in a 3650lb 64 Pol to a 12 flat. Mind you it had a5500 stall. The thread is in archives under smogger 440s.
Posted By: patrick

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/02/09 12:21 PM

choosing between the heads you have, 915's, no brainer.

if you wanted to do an ultimate iron head BB, I'd say iron indy S/R's
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/02/09 12:55 PM

915's, nothing wrong with iron heads. The only problem is the price of fixing them to flow. By the time you have them set up for the big valves and ported you'll have a bunch of money tied up in them. However if you are just looking for a nice driver (say 12.0-12.50) you don't need a ton of head work. (as long as we are talking 440)
Posted By: BELVEDERE67

Re: 440 Iron Head Build-Not For The Feint Of Heart!!! - 06/02/09 02:16 PM

This is a been there done that post.
I had a set of 516's that I had originally for a 383 build. I spent probably 30 novice hours grinding on 'em, then had them rebuit buy a reputable speed shop here. I then increased the valve sizes to 2.14/1.81 and the shop messaged them to get a 250 cfm flow number on the intake. They installed dual springs for the cam I was using. They worked very well and would pull well thru 6500 rpm. Your 915's would probably do a little better than the 516's with the same amount of work.
Here's the rub.
I purchased a set of CNC'd Eddy alum. Heads for about the same amount of money that I had in my 516's. These flow fully 70cfm (as actually measured) more than the maxed out 516's.
So that is why you are getting the alu. head debate added in here.
So if your going to use the 915's I say go for it. Just know that to get the full potential out of them it will cost you some coin.
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