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Sure Grip rebuild

Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Sure Grip rebuild - 01/02/24 07:17 PM

My son's Dart already has a sure grip, but yesterday we discovered that it may not be working properly. We were working on the hydraulic clutch and wanted to make sure the clutch was disengaging. With the trans in first and clutch out he could spin one side and the other side was spinning opposite indicating that the SG may be worn out. Dr Diff has a clutch pack for $117. Is that likely all we'll need? How difficult is the rebuild?
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/02/24 07:20 PM

Which type and year posi unit?
The Dana 8 3/4 clutch type posi are rebuildable, the cup and cone type are not that I know of scope
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/02/24 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Jim_Lusk
My son's Dart already has a sure grip, but yesterday we discovered that it may not be working properly. We were working on the hydraulic clutch and wanted to make sure the clutch was disengaging. With the trans in first and clutch out he could spin one side and the other side was spinning opposite indicating that the SG may be worn out. Dr Diff has a clutch pack for $117. Is that likely all we'll need? How difficult is the rebuild?


Is it a clutch or cone , the DR. diff kit is for a clutch, assuming you know how to set up and 8 3/4 chuck it's not hard , follow the service manual and note what the backlash is before taking the diff unit out to rebuild. I believe the case bolts are left hand thread .
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/02/24 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Which type and year posi unit?
The Dana 8 3/4 clutch type posi are rebuildable, the cup and cone type are not that I know of scope


They're not "rebuildable" but they're repairable. Worn cones can be machined and Doc Diff offers a shim kit.
Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/03/24 01:50 AM

To my knowledge it's the unit I pulled from a '68 Coronet wagon. We've swapped carriers into different third members (on the recommendation of a local gear shop) with no issues so I'm not really worried about pulling the carrier out. If this is the carrier I think it is that's what we did. The Coronet had 2.94 gears and we put the SG into a case with 3.23s.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/03/24 02:24 AM

That should be a Dana brand clutch type early posi, good stuff and rebuildable up
Posted By: Cuda340

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/03/24 01:30 PM

Also a 68 power-loc will have the one piece side gears, the earlier units had two piece side gears and you would have to use the axles to align the splines before tightening the unit back together after a clutch rebuild.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/03/24 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jim_Lusk
To my knowledge it's the unit I pulled from a '68 Coronet wagon.


Most sources show the introduction of the cone-type Sure-Grip as being in '69 but is was actually introduced on January 9, 1968. Only a visual inspection will show what it is.
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/03/24 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Cuda340
Also a 68 power-loc will have the one piece side gears, the earlier units had two piece side gears and you would have to use the axles to align the splines before tightening the unit back together after a clutch rebuild.


Learned something new , I've only seen 2 piece side gears in the few I have owned , now I have something to look for .
Posted By: Cuda340

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/03/24 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by JohnRR
Originally Posted by Cuda340
Also a 68 power-loc will have the one piece side gears, the earlier units had two piece side gears and you would have to use the axles to align the splines before tightening the unit back together after a clutch rebuild.


Learned something new , I've only seen 2 piece side gears in the few I have owned , now I have something to look for .


It was a mid 68 thing from my understanding prior to them phasing in the non-rebuildable units.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/03/24 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Cuda340
Also a 68 power-loc will have the one piece side gears, the earlier units had two piece side gears and you would have to use the axles to align the splines before tightening the unit back together after a clutch rebuild.

All the Dana brand 8 3/4 posi had two piece side gears, the later Eatons did not have clutches or the same type spider gears like the Dana 8 3/4 posi units had scope
If you can see springs inside the posi it is an Eaton type, not a clutch type Dana brand scope
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/04/24 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Originally Posted by Cuda340
Also a 68 power-loc will have the one piece side gears, the earlier units had two piece side gears and you would have to use the axles to align the splines before tightening the unit back together after a clutch rebuild.

All the Dana brand 8 3/4 posi had two piece side gears, the later Eatons did not have clutches or the same type spider gears like the Dana 8 3/4 posi units had scope
If you can see springs inside the posi it is an Eaton type, not a clutch type Dana brand scope


Cab the cone type used by Chrysler was made by Borg Warner .
Posted By: ruderunner

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/04/24 10:49 PM

Isn't Eaton currently making them? I know BW sold off alot of their designs.
Posted By: TJP

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/05/24 02:18 AM

I was just thinking, wouldn't it be better just to replace the unit ? might be cheaper as well whistling shruggy beer
Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/05/24 02:28 AM

I think we've decided that it won't get done real soon. Found out the main brake line is clogged yesterday, so I guess we're doing brake lines.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/05/24 08:25 AM

I was told back when the Mopar drag team did their seminars that Dana corp. provided all the pre 1969 clutch type 8 3/4 posi units, I don't remember if it was Tom Hoover, Dick Maxwell or who now confused
Posted By: B1MAXX

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/05/24 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by TJP
I was just thinking, wouldn't it be better just to replace the unit ? might be cheaper as well whistling shruggy beer


Aren't clutches like 60 bucks?
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/05/24 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by ruderunner
Isn't Eaton currently making them? I know BW sold off alot of their designs.


Eaton, Auburn , BW , no matter who makes it they all have one thing in common ... GARBAGE design ...
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/05/24 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by B1MAXX
Originally Posted by TJP
I was just thinking, wouldn't it be better just to replace the unit ? might be cheaper as well whistling shruggy beer


Aren't clutches like 60 bucks?


$79 from Dr. diff withthe 2 thin plates that the factory design used , I ended having to scavenge 2 when I rebuilt one because the MP kit I got had all thick plates .

https://www.doctordiff.com/powr-lok-clutch-pack.html?variation_id=237

vs. a new powerlock at $395 ...

https://www.doctordiff.com/8-3-4-clutch-type-sure-grip-powr-lok.html
Posted By: moparx

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/05/24 06:06 PM

just weld up the spider gears and the clutch plates.................. biggrin
beer
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/05/24 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by moparx
just weld up the spider gears and the clutch plates.................. biggrin
beer
Only once tsk whineywork shruggy
Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/05/24 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by moparx
just weld up the spider gears and the clutch plates.................. biggrin
beer


Not on a street car. One of the funniest things I've ever seen was two guys trying to autocross their drag cars with spools. Making a corner was interesting to say the least. I may have video somewhere. Many of you know the name of one of them and he does hang out here a bit, Larry Gilley.
Posted By: ruderunner

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/06/24 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
I was told back when the Mopar drag team did their seminars that Dana corp. provided all the pre 1969 clutch type 8 3/4 posi units, I don't remember if it was Tom Hoover, Dick Maxwell or who now confused


Yes, the original Sure Grip design was the Dana Power Lock. Many parts interchange with the Power Lock for the Dana 44. This is the clutch type with the 2 cross shafts.
Posted By: John Brown

Re: Sure Grip rebuild - 01/06/24 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by ruderunner
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
I was told back when the Mopar drag team did their seminars that Dana corp. provided all the pre 1969 clutch type 8 3/4 posi units, I don't remember if it was Tom Hoover, Dick Maxwell or who now confused


Yes, the original Sure Grip design was the Dana Power Lock. Many parts interchange with the Power Lock for the Dana 44. This is the clutch type with the 2 cross shafts.


Put Mopar side gears in my Chevy positraction unit so I could swap in larger fine spline axles. Side gears were from 65 and later as I recall.
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