Posted By: Rug_Trucker
No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 03:29 AM
Looky what I found wrapped around the oil pickup tube and in the pickup!
No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics
Posted By: Blakcharger440
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 03:33 AM
What is it? I can only see half the pic that you posted. 
Oh I can see it now. I dont see why that would have been used anyway internally on the engine.
Oh I can see it now. I dont see why that would have been used anyway internally on the engine.
Posted By: Dallasdart
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 03:34 AM
Steel wool? who built the motor...oopsy
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 03:35 AM
This is a 74 slant with 70-80K on it? I am not sure. I got it on the stand and opened the pan.
Here is the bearing from #5 usually the one that craps out first.
Here is the bearing from #5 usually the one that craps out first.
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 03:38 AM
Not steel wool, cloth! Here is the #5 journal.
Is it time to turn the crank?
Is it time to turn the crank?
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 03:49 AM
It's a Slant, throw some bearings at it & go... 
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 04:02 AM
I haven't opened up the pump yet. Maybe it got damaged without oil in it.
That is the copper showing on the bearing.
That is the copper showing on the bearing.
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 04:16 AM
When I drained the oil I found no bearing material in it. I do have some residual oil in the pan. Haven't checked that for metal. I did find part of a distributor gear in the pickup (plastic for all you non-slanters)
Posted By: RoadRaceDart
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 04:49 AM
Nice rope seal! I hate those things!
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 04:57 AM
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Nice rope seal! I hate those things!
Say what?
Really felt like cloth. It is still sitting out there on the block.
Posted By: 68HemiB
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 05:20 AM
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Nice rope seal! I hate those things!
Say what?
Really felt like cloth. It is still sitting out there on the block.
An unraveled dog turd main seal? Perhaps. It's hard to tell from the photo.
(I vote with Randy on tossing some bearings in it and calling it good.)
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 02:29 PM
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It's a Slant, throw some bearings at it & go...
And a new oil pump , it will probably be scored ..Rope seal ??? that's a slant it's got 7 mains . someone lost a rag it appears
Posted By: aarcuda
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 02:35 PM
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It's a Slant, throw some bearings at it & go...
Rope seal ??? that's a slant it's got 7 mains . someone lost a rag it appears
looks like a shop rag to me. wash it and see if its red (jk).probably lost an oil cap at some time and they stuffed a shop rag into the oil fill hole. maybe it got caught and pulled in and eventually ended up in the pan
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 02:38 PM
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It's a Slant, throw some bearings at it & go...
Rope seal ??? that's a slant it's got 7 mains . someone lost a rag it appears
My punishment for changing the oil in it. Looks like I can get rod bearings from Advanced for $24 for a set. Autozone wants $11.99 per rod. Can't get the mains to come up on Advanced. They have a crappy website.
I am going to pull one of the mains to see what it looks like. I already have the new pump. Also have one that appears to have been changed on another engine.
Time to get greasy before I go to work at 1.
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 02:44 PM
looks like a shop rag to me. wash it and see if its red (jk).probably lost an oil cap at some time and they stuffed a shop rag into the oil fill hole. maybe it got caught and pulled in and eventually ended up in the pan
I doubt a rag could get sucked down. I am going to put some laundry detergent on it and see what it is. Sure was wrapped around the pick up tube.
I probably pull the pump and inspect it tomorrow morning. I would hate to put a new pump on it and then pump schrapnel through it.
These engines are hard to spin on a stand by yourself!!!!!
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 03:57 PM
Only carnage was #5. Everything else is pretty. Checked 1 main and #6 #3 #4 rods.
The marks on the crank don't really catch my finger nail when I drag it across. Should I polish this journal with some Crocus cloth? And go with a new bearing?
I'll pull the pump tomorrow.
The marks on the crank don't really catch my finger nail when I drag it across. Should I polish this journal with some Crocus cloth? And go with a new bearing?
I'll pull the pump tomorrow.
Posted By: 70Duster
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 04:36 PM
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The marks on the crank don't really catch my finger nail when I drag it across. Should I polish this journal with some Crocus cloth? And go with a new bearing?
Considering it's a slant 6, that's exactly what I would do.
Posted By: sharpie
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 06:54 PM
try Rock Auto for bearings.
Posted By: Mopar-Al
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/01/09 11:03 PM
Make sure you look at the back of those bearing shells to see if you have any one undersized or whatever. You really should mic them
Posted By: elmor
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/02/09 12:35 AM
Had the same problem with a 440 years ago. Guy said he was going down the freeway when it lost oil pressure. Said it's got a top end noise. Four L shaped pushrods laying on the head, but it also dropped # 5 and 7 rod caps, and buried them into the side of the block. Bent the bottoms of those 2 rods upside down, carved a quarter inch divot in the crank journals. All because he left a shop rag in it when he changed the timing set, and it sucked it into the pickup. You're lucky! 
Posted By: Sinitro
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/02/09 12:40 AM
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It's a Slant, throw some bearings at it & go...
Rope seal ??? that's a slant it's got 7 mains . someone lost a rag it appears
My punishment for changing the oil in it. Looks like I can get rod bearings from Advanced for $24 for a set. Autozone wants $11.99 per rod. Can't get the mains to come up on Advanced. They have a crappy website.
I am going to pull one of the mains to see what it looks like. I already have the new pump. Also have one that appears to have been changed on another engine.
Time to get greasy before I go to work at 1.
Checkout www.RockAuto.com
They carry Clevite plus they give Moparts another 5% off..
Just my $0.02...
Posted By: GO_Fish
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/02/09 01:56 AM
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Checkout www.RockAuto.com
They carry Clevite plus they give Moparts another 5% off..
Just my $0.02...
More details please about the 5% off?? Is there a code you need to enter? My local old Mopar club (CPOC) used to have a discount at NAPA, but I lost the code over the years...
Posted By: Sinitro
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/02/09 04:23 AM
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Checkout www.RockAuto.com
They carry Clevite plus they give Moparts another 5% off..
Just my $0.02...
More details please about the 5% off?? Is there a code you need to enter? My local old Mopar club (CPOC) used to have a discount at NAPA, but I lost the code over the years...
Use this discount code 14282251053590
Enter into "Where do you hear about RockAuto".
Good for 5% off up to April 5th...
Later..
Posted By: NAS Backyard
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/02/09 04:36 AM
Looks like Rug 
I once found a brown paper towel wrapped around mine. It got blown in the engine from a pressure wash job. Didn't hurt the engine though.
I once found a brown paper towel wrapped around mine. It got blown in the engine from a pressure wash job. Didn't hurt the engine though.
Posted By: STLDuster
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/02/09 12:16 PM
whoops, my mistake, thought the discount code gave me an error, I entered it in the wrong area.
Posted By: Dave Watt
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/02/09 02:52 PM
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It's a Slant, throw some bearings at it & go...
Posted By: Jwilli500
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/02/09 05:25 PM
Hmmmm could be. After all, he is the "Rug Trucker"
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Looks like Rug
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/02/09 05:41 PM
could it be part of the oil filter????
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/03/09 03:45 AM
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Nope, it is definately cloth. I didn't have a chance to play with it today.
I do want to Spray and Wash it just for the heck of it. It is probably a shop rag.
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/08/09 02:35 PM
I am headed out to the shop to disassemble the engine some more. Pull the pump, and the crank.
I looked for Emery cloth and found 1" wide on a roll with 320 grit. I was really wanting a sheet. I can't find cotton sash cord to turn the cloth.
Can I accurately mic the journal with a vernier caliper with a gauge? I don't want to go too small.
BTW new standard Federal Mogul rod bearings are $3.99 each!!
If you buy a set it is $49.98!!
Fuzzy math!
Should I plastigauge the mains to decide on changing them?
I looked for Emery cloth and found 1" wide on a roll with 320 grit. I was really wanting a sheet. I can't find cotton sash cord to turn the cloth.
Can I accurately mic the journal with a vernier caliper with a gauge? I don't want to go too small.
BTW new standard Federal Mogul rod bearings are $3.99 each!!
If you buy a set it is $49.98!!
Fuzzy math!
Should I plastigauge the mains to decide on changing them?
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/08/09 03:10 PM
320 is way to coarse, I'd go 600 max.. I wouldn't have bothered pulling the crank but now that you have you might call a local machine shop & see what it would cost to have it turned & get new bearings...I know a shop local to me that turns 75% of all the cranks for other area machine shops I can get a kit with the turned crank & new rods & mains for $120.00...
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/08/09 05:19 PM
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320 is way to coarse, I'd go 600 max.. I wouldn't have bothered pulling the crank but now that you have you might call a local machine shop & see what it would cost to have it turned & get new bearings...I know a shop local to me that turns 75% of all the cranks for other area machine shops I can get a kit with the turned crank & new rods & mains for $120.00...
I am going to hold off on the polishing for a while. I will get the right stuff.
If it is easier pulling the crank to change seals it is coming out. I want to look at the whole thing while I am in there. I found some schrapnel that is non magnetic in the pump gears. I think I could reuse this pump? I have a new one, and another on the way.
Pics coming!
Can I find in stock locally ofset timing gear keys?
I may degree the cam to the new double roller I got from Cox Brothers Racing in '04.
Wanna go for economy!
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/09/09 02:46 PM
Thinking maybe the rag in to oil pan was to screen the oil entering the pump..........It really looks like gause....gauze(sp)
I found plastic between the gears in the pump. Must be from the distributor gear.
I found plastic between the gears in the pump. Must be from the distributor gear.
Posted By: bonefish
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/09/09 04:12 PM
thats what i was giong to say,i beleive thats called the TENNESEE PRE FILTER it keeps you from having to buy those pesky screw in types and the less oil you get to the engine the less chance of contamination.i got that right straight from the mouth of an old hillbilly who couldnt beleive no one could figer it out.
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics - 04/23/09 07:26 PM
Decided to check prices on machine work. $70 to grind and polish from a small shop.
Waiting on pricing from a Mopar onlt guy near here that has all the equipment at home.
Waiting on pricing from a Mopar onlt guy near here that has all the equipment at home.
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics Good News Ba - 04/30/09 04:25 PM
Got of the phone with the machine shop. Rear main was .060 and would have to be welded. (add $70!) They have another crank there that is .030 under and ready to go. Right size for the 74 converter.
$70
No wonder the rear main was leaking so bad!
$70
No wonder the rear main was leaking so bad!
Posted By: MNobody
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics Good News Ba - 04/30/09 04:44 PM
I've heard stories of people using a piece of leather belt for a main bearing on those things and getting alot of miles out of em LOL.
Posted By: Hubbs
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics Good News Ba - 04/30/09 07:07 PM
Okay, it looks bad, but don't give up. Try some good detergent and a nice long delicate cycle. You may get lucky and get a few more uses out of that rag.
Good luck!
(Sorry, couldn't resist
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Good luck!
(Sorry, couldn't resist
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Posted By: therocks
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics Good News Ba - 04/30/09 07:15 PM
Had a 440 in my Imp that snapped a main cap bolt.It started to clatter a bit and I tore it down and found a headless bolt in the pan.Screwed up some bearing rods and crank.After that I replace all the main bolts and also the head bolts.Rocky
Posted By: Rug_Trucker
Re: No Oil Pressure! Cause Found With Pics Good News Ba - 04/30/09 08:47 PM
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I've heard stories of people using a piece of leather belt for a main bearing on those things and getting alot of miles out of em LOL.
Granpa Layne did that to a model A. Also something about oatmeal and plugging the radiator or using that for antifreeze?