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Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start.

Posted By: Damned67

Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 01:16 AM

Always seems to be something.
Finally, after more years than one can imagine, I was looking forward to actually DRIVING my car today. I really was. Of course, it now won't start, and I can't fault it.
There seems to be spark (pull a plug, crank engine, plug sparks), and there's definitely fuel.
If I follow the MSD instructions, and jump the green and violet wires, removal of the 'jump' will create a spark at the coil wire.
If I've ever had a 'no start' issue, it's been to do with a lack of either fuel or spark. This time I have both, so I'm lost...... And ready to hit it with a hammer. A large hammer.

Where to from here?
Posted By: wingman

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 01:33 AM

Do you have the MSD red wire hooked up properly? You need to attach it so it is hot both in "start" and "run". Sounds like you may only have the "start" wire hooked up.

If you hooked up your MSD according to the instructions it doesn't mention this. It has drove many a mopar guy crazy. DAMHIK
Posted By: Posest

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 01:51 AM

Done the same thing. Hook both wires to a constant hot and try it. If it starts then you are on a cranking only hot wire.
Posted By: moper

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 01:53 AM

Walk away for a little while. Then try some ether. It's easy to flood them with older 10%ethanol fuel. If you have spark, compression, and fuel, it's something easy. Just take a break and come back with a clear head.
Posted By: Damned67

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 01:55 AM

I'm pretty sure the MSD is wired up correctly as it has run in the past without issue.
The car won't even fire off at this stage.
The only thing I can think of is perhaps that the spark is 'weak', but have no idea how to test/measure that.
Posted By: Damned67

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 01:57 AM

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It's easy to flood them with older 10%ethanol fuel.



That was actually my first guess, so I cranked and cranked to clear out any excess fuel.... no luck.
Posted By: moper

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 01:59 AM

thats why i suggested the ether. For some reason i don't have good luck trying to clear them after they flood with this fuel. but a shot of ether and it will start right up and clears out.
Posted By: Michael

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 02:12 AM

Make sure the battery is fully charged.
Posted By: Damned67

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 02:27 AM

Battery is/was charged. It started to run down with all the cranking, so I even tried to jump it off another car.....
Posted By: cupcake

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 03:11 AM

its the way the msd is wired thats wrong just went through that.car would not start.crank it would have spark let off key no spark.this thing let out the loudest backfire i ever herd dont no how the mufflers were still there raw fuel from crankin on it.u need ign 1 & ign 2 hooked together dogg
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 03:15 AM

fully charged battery, new plugs, healthy shot of ether starting fluid. And the dist timing hasn't been changed while trying to get it started this time?.
Posted By: Damned67

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 03:19 AM

Distributor hasn't been touched, so timing should be good.
I'm heading out to the store to see if I can find some ether (have never seen it over here before.... so fingers crossed).
Posted By: cupcake

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 03:23 AM

yes that eather should realy let out a bang u will think it 4th july big time
Posted By: cupcake

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 03:25 AM

is it msd dist & box?????
Posted By: BigMoneyLewis

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 03:34 AM

How long has it been sitting? If it has sat more than 3 or 4 months, you may need to pour a small amount of gas down the carb . It should fire up and run for at least 3 or 4 seconds , until that fuel burns out. At least that way you know the problem is not the electrical, and you can focus on the carb / fuel pump .
You said it's getting fuel though ? This means you looked inside the carb while working the throttle linkage , and actually saw a good stream of gas squirting into the carb. Correct ?
If you think you are indeed getting fuel, and may have flooded it, hold the accelerator pedal to the floor while cranking (do not pump) .
If you prime the carb with a little gas, and it does not at least fire up and run 2 or 3 seconds ,
then I'd say you need to look for a spark problem , but right now I would lean toward needing a new fuel pump, or rebuild the carb if it has sat uncranked for more than a few months.

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Posted By: Damned67

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 03:43 AM

Car ran last week, and no wiring has been changed.
Definitely getting gas, as verified from watching it squirt.
Also tried priming it with gas directly.
Also cranked it with the throttle wide open in case it was flooded.
Just got home from the parts store.... A healthy squirt of ether didn't help.
I'm going to pull the plugs out and have a look right now.

Thanks for all the help so far.
Posted By: cupcake

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 03:47 AM

pull plugs spin it over get all that crap out it then fix the wireing
Posted By: CuriousYella70

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 03:56 AM

Doubt this is it -- but I had the same issue that you are having with my Duster -- ran one week and the next I couldnt get anything to work right. I had spark, timing, everything was the same, I pulled the plugs and realized a few of them were burned up and only after a few months of mild driving so pull the plugs, maybe you have a few bad ones?
Posted By: Damned67

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 04:11 AM

Pulled the plugs. They're all black and wet.
The reason the car had been sitting for so long (finally 'fixed' last week), was due to an off-idle rich condition, so I'm not surprised that the plugs are fouled.
I'll give 'em a bit of a clean, and see what happens from there.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 04:16 AM

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I'll give 'em a bit of a clean, and see what happens from there.


Hurry, it's past my bedtime & I'll sleep better knowing that it started for you.
Posted By: minivan

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 04:38 AM

I wouldn't waste time cleaning them, just put a new set in... My experience is once they foul, they are gone....
Posted By: Damned67

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 04:40 AM

They're out and cleaned (the plugs), but I have to run off to a prior engagement. Unfortunately, the plugs wont have time to get reinstalled for another 24hrs.

But I WILL post the results, good or bad.

Posted By: Damned67

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 04:43 AM

I know I should just toss a new set in, but over here they're about $4 a pop, so I don't want to put a new set in just to find out that it wasn't the problem....Cheer
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 05:01 AM

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I wouldn't waste time cleaning them, just put a new set in... My experience is once they foul, they are gone.


unless you have a glassbeader in your garage
Posted By: moper

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 01:36 PM

clean then litghtly and get the dry. I think they were just wet fouled... And it may be worth buying two sets at once...lol.
Posted By: lokalik

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 01:55 PM

do you have a ballist resistor?
Posted By: aarcuda

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 04:57 PM

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I wouldn't waste time cleaning them, just put a new set in... My experience is once they foul, they are gone.


unless you have a glassbeader in your garage



once they get soaked like that, you get a sneak path down the porcelan to ground so they dont fire.

best bet is a glass bead blast but that kinda ruins the plug and rounds the sharp edges you need.

might try though. i would replace them and start a new with GOOD plugs
Posted By: Posest

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 05:30 PM

I should have bought a snowmobile that was a couple of years old because of this. He had fouled a plug. Pulled them both and cleaned them, put them back in and still could not get it to run right. Cleaned both carbs, re cleaned both plugs and replaced the coil pack and plug wire caps. Still would not hit right on the mag side cylinder. He finally gave up and pushed it into the corner for the year. Somebody talked the cheap b-tard into buying a brand new set of plugs the next fall. Against his will he bought them, put them in and fired it up. Been driving it ever since. That was a hard lesson learned for both of us. I would not buy it thinking it had a bad CDI box or magneto. He wanted $300 for a $3K sled. A 3 dollar plug fixed it.
Posted By: Damned67

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/28/09 08:56 PM

OK, so I'm heading out the door to go to a Mopar show 'n' shine (not in my car ). If I have the opportunity, I'll stop on the way home and buy some new plugs. Guess it wouldn't hurt to have a 'spare' set anyway.

I'll update later.

Posted By: Damned67

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/29/09 03:43 AM

OK, store I stopped at didn't have the correct plugs (I know, this place makes AutoZone look like a parts store!), so finished cleaning the old ones up as best I could and reinstalled them....
It runs!!! Fired off on the first crank.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/29/09 04:18 AM

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It runs!!! Fired off on the first crank.


that wasn't too bad now was it
Posted By: Damned67

Re: Ready to push it off a cliff..... car wont start. - 03/29/09 05:05 AM

Hey, Happy Birthday.....

And, no, it wasn't too bad, just wish I had have pulled the plugs earlier.
Cheers
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