Posted By: RSI700VIPER
Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/10/20 04:40 PM
Rebuilding a stock 440 six pack engine. It's been a number of years since I did this and I recall the mopar performance stuff was junk. What manufacturer and camshaft are you engine guys using for a stock rebuild?
I would even consider a step or 2 hotter, but want to keep stock exhaust and decent vacuum.
Posted By: Ply72rr
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/10/20 06:51 PM
I've heard only good things about Bob Karakashian (‘Mr Six Pack’) cams but have never used one myself. Phone 248-477-7776.
Posted By: RapidRobert
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/10/20 07:45 PM
one of the two Summit house brands
Posted By: topside
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/10/20 09:21 PM
In one of my 440s I ran an Engle hydraulic FT dual-pattern, about 234/244 @ .050 and a bit over .500 lift.
Great manners, a bit healthier than stock, very tractable with 4-speed & fairly tall final gear.
Also ran the EDM lifters (oiling hole), 1.5 roller rockers, 10.2 CR with Eddy heads, Maxie manifolds & full exhaust.
Just avoid the long-duration stuff.
Posted By: elmor353
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/10/20 10:54 PM
I second RR's suggestion of Summit Racing's cams. I have both cams and love them. I use the smaller cam in my pickup with an auto, stock convertor and 3.23 gears. It runs great. I use the bigger cam in a 66 b-body with factory high stall convertor, 3.55 gears. The specs are .445/.465 lift, 214/224 duration @.050 for the small cam and .466/.488 lift, 224/234 duration @.050 for the larger. They both have excellent street manners. The larger cam has a slight lope at idle and pulls hard in a 440 with 9.2 compression, 452 heads and factory intake. A little more compression, better heads and intake would really wake it up.
Posted By: lewtot184
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/11/20 12:44 PM
I second RR's suggestion of Summit Racing's cams. I have both cams and love them. I use the smaller cam in my pickup with an auto, stock convertor and 3.23 gears. It runs great. I use the bigger cam in a 66 b-body with factory high stall convertor, 3.55 gears. The specs are .445/.465 lift, 214/224 duration @.050 for the small cam and .466/.488 lift, 224/234 duration @.050 for the larger. They both have excellent street manners. The larger cam has a slight lope at idle and pulls hard in a 440 with 9.2 compression, 452 heads and factory intake. A little more compression, better heads and intake would really wake it up.
this has been my experience. I would look no further than the 6401 cam with good lifters and crane 99839 springs.
Posted By: elmor353
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/11/20 06:55 PM
I used those same Crane valve springs. Perfect for the 6401 cam.
Posted By: RSI700VIPER
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/11/20 09:38 PM
Appreciate all the feedback. Thanks!
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/12/20 12:29 AM
Bob K's cam specs are hard to come by but they are "very" close to the old Direct Connection Street Hemi grind 280 / 474
Posted By: KillerBee
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/12/20 02:58 PM
I went with the Lunati 60302 cam in my wife's 440 six Pack Challenger.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lun-60302Fresh rebuilt 440 engine with Stealth aluminum heads and stock Six Pack setup.
Mild Daaco HP converter and 3.23 rear.
Engine is a great cruiser, lots of low and mid range power with great vacuum.
Posted By: Hrtbkr
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/12/20 04:20 PM
I second that Lunati cam. It's in my '71 GTX with a six barrel. "Mini Mayhem"-love what they call it.
Posted By: lewtot184
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/12/20 04:25 PM
Bob K's cam specs are hard to come by but they are "very" close to the old Direct Connection Street Hemi grind 280 / 474
some years back bob k. gave the specs to his cam. they were engles at that time and I regret throwing that magazine away that had an article about his car. anyhow, from what I remember his cams are no where near that old '214 cam. from what i remember his cams are pretty mild. unfortunately people tout these cams but nobody degrees one in to know the specs or have any track times to put with the specs. I did use a hughs/engle 2330 once in a 6pak and it worked pretty good. down side to the 2330 is the lift requires shortening the valve guide boss's for retainer to seal/guide clearance. a summit 6401 using factory retainers and the crane springs is pretty much a no-brainer with factory valvetrain. hopefully someday somebody will put a degree wheel and some track times on the bob k. cams.
Posted By: NachoRT74
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/12/20 05:05 PM
Maybe Crower 271HDP. Allmost the same to the Lunati suggested but a bit more Exhaust duration and bit more Intake lift. I'm using 282HDP and is just a bit lumpy but plenty for a street car with A/C ( allmost street values on good vacuum and iddle ). So I think one step lower will be more stockish iddle if you want that
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/12/20 05:12 PM
I run the Lunati that is one step hotter than the one already mentioned. Old part number 60303. .493/.513. 70 440 Cuda, power brakes, 4 speed.
I get 11inhg vacuum. Just enough for reliable brakes, but that’s all dependent on your idle rpm. Mine is at 750rpm.
With an automatic I would recommend at least a 2200rpm stall (which is still pretty tight, a lot of stock converters will easily stall this high behind a 440).
Power band goes to about 6200, high enough for me.
Posted By: RealWing
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/12/20 05:37 PM
I installed a Hughes HEH 1928 BL . Very happy with it, Stock manifolds, 9.14:1 CR with quench pistons, 3.55 gears, 727, 6 bbl carbs. CR is a critical parameter when selecting a Camshaft.
Jim
Posted By: BSB67
Re: Stock cam and lifter package recommendation for stock 440+6 - 03/13/20 12:40 AM
You won't go wrong with anything recommended, IMO. Any 218° - 224° @ 0.050" on the intake and with a 112° - 114° LSA will work well with what your doing. Picking the best one in that range will be splitting hairs.
I used the MP 272 - 0.455" cam (221° @ 0.050 w/ 112°lsa) in a 4200 lb, 6bbl, exhaust manifold, car w/ 3.23 and went high 12s at 108+ mph.