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Cam for 505 stroker

Posted By: General 68

Cam for 505 stroker - 06/21/19 05:17 PM

Looking for a street friendly hydraulic flat tappet Cam for a 440/512 stroker.
CR 9,8:1, Stage 4 iron heads, 1,6 rockers, Indy dual plane intake, 2" headers, 3" x-pipe.
Manual trans
Want lots of low end torque and vacuumn for power brakes.
Heavy car, 4200lb, mostly street driven.
Any experience with Hughes Engines cams? Looking at the SEH2832BL-10 or
SEH3236BL-10 or Are they too much?
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/21/19 06:00 PM

It all depends what street friendly means to you. I had a 246/246 hyd roller in the 512 inch stroker in my Coronet and I decided it was a little too big for the type of driving that I was doing. It worked great on the freeway but was just a little too rumpy around town. My new engine has a 239/245 hyd roller in it and it seems to be a better fit. Either of the cams you posted should work okay for what you're describing. They are fairly small and will kill off a bunch of power up top, but they should give you a fairly smooth idle and plenty of torque down low. Your headers are too big for what you are doing but you might not be able to change them at this point. For bottom end torque you probably don't need anything larger than 1 3/4 inch header.
Posted By: General 68

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/21/19 08:57 PM

Thanks! I might try the bigger one of them - 232/236. Afraid og going too big. Street friendly to me is to be able to cruise in 5th gear at 17-1800 rpm at 50 mph, go through town i stå and go traffic without lugging and still be able to fru the tires from a roll ion 2th gear. Also want vacuumn for power brakes. Will this combo do all this?😀
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/21/19 09:34 PM

Cruising at 1800 rpm in 5th gear requires an engine to be tuned for a fairly low torque peak. Your engine with the Indy intake and the 2 inch headers is tuned to run really efficient at 4000 or higher. A smaller cam will help but if you want decent gas mileage at 1800 rpm you'll most likely need to swap in a Performer RPM intake and maybe try some smaller headers.
Posted By: 71TA

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/21/19 09:49 PM

I bought the 470" short block "dyno mule" AndyF built. It "came" with a largish mechanical cam. I installed max ported Edelbrock RPM heads and a single plane intake. The engine wouldn't even turn on till 2000rpm (have a manual trans). almost like the accelerator was an on/off switch. Absolutely no fun to drive. So I put on the RPM dual plane intake Andy mentions above and the smallest old skool Mopar "Purple Shaft" mechanical cam (284/284, Lift .528/.528) and now its a torque beast. I can boil the 295s. Its fun to drive. Lopey but drives like an angry grocery getter smile
Posted By: General 68

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/21/19 10:00 PM

Yupp, I know. But for now this is the parts I have and the .484 purple shaft in it is not speaking the same landguage as power brakes so I am trying to get the best out of the existing parts. Ran the 2" headers on a mild 440 with Torker 2 intake and a Lunati Voodoo 226/234-10 without any issues so I hope the 512 with a relatively mild cam will be just as strong
Posted By: calrobb2000

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/22/19 03:41 AM

hi

anther vote for the 284 / 528 solid .
Posted By: BSB67

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/22/19 12:31 PM

No one seems to talk about cam overlap anymore. The smart cam people will correctly tell you that the overlap is nothing more than the outcome of picking the right cam opening and closing events. But I believe that it still has a place for us amateurs that are trying to pick a compromise cam, which is exactly what a max. power with a good idle cam is. So with that, consider a cam with a 112° lsa, and an overlap of no more than about 60°.

My cam has over 240° @ 0.050" and 54° overlap. Idles with 13" vacuum in gear at 750 rpm. It drives in 3 rd gear at 1100 rpm. It has the Indy 2D.

2" headers do seem a bit much, but then again, I don't know much about big tube headers.
Posted By: General 68

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/22/19 04:49 PM

Thanks BSB67
Cam you describe more of your engine an how it performs?
Posted By: moparsquid

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/25/19 04:06 PM

Id go with the 509 its pretty mild in a 440
Posted By: johnnmo

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/25/19 10:41 PM

I've used the solid 284 cam too for a 498. It was strong for a street cam.
Posted By: BSB67

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/26/19 02:28 AM

Dwayne spec'd custom cam for manifolds. Runs 11s in decent air. Street tires and crap 60 ft times.

http://508charger.yolasite.com/
Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/26/19 06:01 PM

I'm running the 23-712-9 Comp Cams Hydraulic roller cam, XR286HR10 in my 505 engine. It is 236/242 duration @ 0.050 and drives fine doing 50 MPH @ 1,500 RPM in 5th gear (Legend Gear & Transmission 700 transmission.)
Engine is about 10.3:1 compression, Mild ported stealth heads, 17cc dished pistons, 1-7/8" TTI headers with 2.5" dual exhaust with X-Pipe. Originally a Performer RPM intake, but now Edelbrock XT EFI intake and FAST 2.0 EFI controller.
Posted By: CSK

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/26/19 08:04 PM

This is the Hyd roller 1.6 rockers I have in my 512 Charger, 3.54 gear Overdrive trans with lock up converter, I can cruise at 1800 rpm smooth with no bucking. power brake friendly?? NO

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Posted By: General 68

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/26/19 10:49 PM

Thanks! Keep it coming😄
I just ordered the 232/236-110 Hughes cam. Quite exited to ser how it performs.
This is a mild build, 505,cr 9,8:1, Stage 4 iron heads, Indy dual plane, 2" tti's, 3" x-pipe, Holley 850 dp.
4200 lb '68 Charger, Tko 600 5-speed, Dana/Moser 60.
I have an opinion on how it will perform, but what are your opinion?
Posted By: CSK

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/26/19 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by General 68
Thanks! Keep it coming😄
I just ordered the 232/236-110 Hughes cam. Quite exited to ser how it performs.
This is a mild build, 505,cr 9,8:1, Stage 4 iron heads, Indy dual plane, 2" tti's, 3" x-pipe, Holley 850 dp.
4200 lb '68 Charger, Tko 600 5-speed, Dana/Moser 60.
I have an opinion on how it will perform, but what are your opinion?


It will be a handful on the street, small cam for a 512
Posted By: cruzin

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/27/19 07:42 PM

I've been running a Hughes HE3844BL in a street-strip 400/470 E-Body, 4 spd. for 15 years. Here's the link to the cam's profile (http://www.hughesengines.com/TechArticles/heseriescamprofilesbigblockhydraulic.php) if you like to compare with the Hughes cams you're considering. My motor has slightly more compression, E-heads, 1.6 rockers, Performer Plus intake, 1-7/8 headers with 3" exhaust, 4:10 or 3:55 gears, 3600 lbs. w/o driver, manual brakes. Low end torque is outstanding. I can lug the motor down and she pulls strong and easily to 6k.

At the time, Hughes spec out the 3844 and the HE4449BL since I wanted to go with a hyd. flat tappet. With the added cubes you have, I believe you will be more than happy with the 3236.
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 06/27/19 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by General 68
Thanks! Keep it coming😄
I just ordered the 232/236-110 Hughes cam. Quite exited to ser how it performs.
This is a mild build, 505,cr 9,8:1, Stage 4 iron heads, Indy dual plane, 2" tti's, 3" x-pipe, Holley 850 dp.
4200 lb '68 Charger, Tko 600 5-speed, Dana/Moser 60.
I have an opinion on how it will perform, but what are your opinion?


It should have a fairly smooth idle and a ton of torque down low. It will most likely run out of air by 5500 rpm but you'll be going so fast at that point that you won't care. A street car doesn't need a race cam even though a lot of people want to put race cams in street cars.
Posted By: General 68

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 08/02/19 10:19 PM

Well guys, I got the answers now🤣
Got the engine together and put in the Charger just in time to reach Orsa Dragfest in Sweden.
Broke in the cam the night before we went and everything was good.
Went 8.23/88.5 in the 1/8 mile. 4300lbs with med in. No prep track, Hoosier Quicktime Pro's, 28/12..5/15. Manual trans.
Good vacuumn for power brakes. Engine pulled super strong. No change hooking - actually blew the tires loose when dropping the clutch at 2000 rpm. Quite scary - easy to over rew as it would fly past 6000 rpm in no time. Never got the 60' under 1,88 seconds.
Broke the tires loose a bit when shifting to 2. gear. Pulled strong all the way to 6k.
Won the bracket race (Had some luck😄) Idles nice and smooth at 1000 rpm.
I only got time for a short test drive on travel road. Touching the go- pedal at 2000 rpm in 3rd gear would send the car sideways down the road. So far I am happy with the combo, but some carb- and chassis tuning might take it to the next level.
Posted By: B1duster

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 05/11/21 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by General 68
Thanks! Keep it coming😄
I just ordered the 232/236-110 Hughes cam. Quite exited to ser how it performs.
This is a mild build, 505,cr 9,8:1, Stage 4 iron heads, Indy dual plane, 2" tti's, 3" x-pipe, Holley 850 dp.
4200 lb '68 Charger, Tko 600 5-speed, Dana/Moser 60.
I have an opinion on how it will perform, but what are your opinion?


What octane fuel do you use ?
Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 05/12/21 06:16 AM

I have a rev-limiter on my 505. Easy to spin them past 6,000 RPM with a manual trans.
Posted By: General 68

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 05/12/21 03:06 PM

Yes. I have one now.
For previous poster: European 98 octane. Should be the same as premium in the US.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 05/12/21 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by General 68
Yes. I have one now.
For previous poster: European 98 octane. Should be the same as premium in the US.


Wonder how they converts?

I thought there was better high octane gas in Europe than US ?
Posted By: 3hundred

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 05/12/21 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by autoxcuda
Originally Posted by General 68
Yes. I have one now.
For previous poster: European 98 octane. Should be the same as premium in the US.


Wonder how they converts?

I thought there was better high octane gas in Europe than US ?


In Europe they use the RON rating. In the US we use the average of the RON and MON ratings. 98 octane in Europe is roughly equivalent to 93 rating here.
Posted By: B1duster

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 05/12/21 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by General 68
Yes. I have one now.
For previous poster: European 98 octane. Should be the same as premium in the US.


So no problem with detonation using that
Hughes 232/236-110 ?
Posted By: General 68

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 05/12/21 10:33 PM

No, I have not experienced any detonation. It runs nice and smooth. Idle is quite smooth at around 900 rpm and drivability with a manual trans is good for what this is. Just have to baby the throttle to avoid the tires from squeeling from a dead stop.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 05/12/21 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by 3hundred
Originally Posted by autoxcuda
Originally Posted by General 68
Yes. I have one now.
For previous poster: European 98 octane. Should be the same as premium in the US.


Wonder how they converts?

I thought there was better high octane gas in Europe than US ?


In Europe they use the RON rating. In the US we use the average of the RON and MON ratings. 98 octane in Europe is roughly equivalent to 93 rating here.


I think there is one gas station within a 10 miles radius of me that has 93 octane. Everything else is 91 octane California blend tops.

93 would definitely help.
Posted By: ek3

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 05/14/21 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by General 68
Looking for a street friendly hydraulic flat tappet Cam for a 440/512 stroker.
CR 9,8:1, Stage 4 iron heads, 1,6 rockers, Indy dual plane intake, 2" headers, 3" x-pipe.
Manual trans
Want lots of low end torque and vacuumn for power brakes.
Heavy car, 4200lb, mostly street driven.
Any experience with Hughes Engines cams? Looking at the SEH2832BL-10 or
SEH3236BL-10 or Are they too much?
i used the seh3236bl3-14 [ 114 lobe sep- ] installed @ 110 C/L iron 915's stock---- 10-25-1 compression . stock 6 pack w factory dist . manifolds ... hp was 522 peak @ 5500rpm torque was 586lbs@5200rpm... it was lean by a good bit too..... the 114 l/s makes it idol near stock @ 900 rpm.. very smooth barely notice a lope ... torque is over 500 @3500rpm....................
Posted By: General 68

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 05/14/21 07:16 AM

Nice numbers! Unported heads and manifolds too!?👍
What size engine is it?
Posted By: ek3

Re: Cam for 505 stroker - 05/14/21 08:47 PM

440-512 440 source kit-hughes cam and rocker system. 915 w/ large valves , bowl job, iron 6 pack intake, fact manifolds, stuska dyno.............really nice machine work ! extra time spent to get tight clearances and exceptional ring sealing and correcting all geometry. runs out of power quick but, it has a big bottom..
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