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Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440

Posted By: elmor353

Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/17/18 12:33 PM

I have a very good running 78 440 in my pickup. Can I get 400 hp or close without swapping pistons? I know compression is low. What can I do that will improve performance? I have headers on it now. I also have a Performer RPM intake with a 750 Holley to put on it. Right now I'm running 516 heads that have larger exhaust valves in them. I do have a set of fresh 346 and 452 heads on the shelf. Cam choices? Current set up now is an automatic, 3:23 gears, and I'm running 26.5 in tall tires.
Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/17/18 04:15 PM

turbo, plenty of room in a pickup

blower, several kits

http://www.torqstorm.com/kits_single_big-block-mopar.html

http://www.torqstorm.com/kits_single_big-block-mopar.html
Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/17/18 04:19 PM

Edelbrock E-street heads, 0.020" head gasket, mild cam around 220+ duration @ 0.050, >0.470" lift.
Posted By: DrCharles

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/17/18 05:59 PM

Have you seen this article from FABO...
https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/threads/dyno-a-7-5-1-400-sure-why-not.293381/

If they can get 400 hp from a low-compression 400 that easily, you can certainly do it with 10% more cubes smile
Posted By: R/T1968R/T

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/17/18 07:18 PM

How about 449HP and 472 tq from a smogger..... read this

https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/threads/dyno-testing-a-stock-1972-440.249866/
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/17/18 07:39 PM

I would try and sell both sets of your other iron heads and use that money to buy a set of the 440 source 80.CC aluminum heads that will out flow your heads and raise the compression more also work up twocents
Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/18/18 02:14 AM

The super charger kits will certainly get you to 400+ HP. But they are $2,800 plus a blow-thru carb. And even that doesn't include any costs associated with the ignition curve or meth injection. So, it could easily get to $4,000. Or close to.

New aluminum heads and a cam kit would seem to be the logical choice when it comes to bang for the buck.
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/18/18 02:23 AM

If you're really trying to keep this low buck (as in no new heads), then camshaft, mill and port the heads and intake a bit, and you should be there.
Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/18/18 09:54 AM

Originally Posted By 451Mopar
Edelbrock E-street heads, 0.020" head gasket, mild cam around 220+ duration @ 0.050, >0.470" lift.


I posted this above because we were going to go this route with Dans '77 440 before we found the cast crank was > 0.004" clearance and the journals were gouged pretty good. Decided to just go stroker kit. Alot more $$$$, but alot more power too.
Posted By: Dave Hall

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/18/18 10:59 AM

I stuck some Edelbrock heads and a .660 roller in a "smogger" 400 and I love it! Runs real good!
Posted By: 05dakota

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/19/18 02:01 AM

cheaper to change the pistons
Posted By: forphorty

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/19/18 02:31 AM

Originally Posted By 05dakota
cheaper to change the pistons
Cheaper than what?
Posted By: CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/19/18 05:51 AM

I agree. Read the article. Crazy
Posted By: elmor353

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/23/18 02:52 AM

I was very impressed with the article and the numbers they pulled from the low compression engine. I have a set of 516 heads with big valves in them and was wondering if the MP porting templates are still available? My porting won't be on par with theirs, but I would love to try and duplicate that engine, only using the larger of the Summit cams and a Performer RPM intake instead of the 509 and single plane intake. As an after thought, I have a set of 906 heads set up with Crane springs. I don't think I will give up much compression using them with .020 gaskets. Perhaps with minimal port work they would be a better alternative?
Posted By: fast68plymouth

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/23/18 03:22 AM

The 906’s would be better.

IMO, there are better choices for what you’re doing than the summit cam.

Something like a Comp xe268, xe274, PP280, 280h.
Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/23/18 04:21 AM

Originally Posted By elmor353
and was wondering if the MP porting templates are still available?


I don't think so, but I got them and they are not worthly. Is just about use the logic making the work... I'm posting them if you want ( with an scale to print them correctly )

( I don't know where I left my templates... they must be... somewhere around! I can't tell )

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Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/23/18 03:37 PM

More complete porting templates, had to zip it to get it under the 2MB limit.

Includes B/RB/LA/Magnum templates.

Not mine and I forget where I got it from.

Try this one, it should work now.

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Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/23/18 05:03 PM

great!!! but is not working LOL. It seems there is some damage to the PDF file trying to extract it.

Or maybe some ZIP problem trying to extract it with Winrar?
Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/23/18 05:14 PM

Originally Posted By NachoRT74
great!!! but is not working LOL. It seems there is some damage to the PDF file trying to extract it


Interesting, I can extract the zip file I made, but not the one I downloaded from Moparts, should be the same. Odd.

Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/23/18 05:18 PM

That's been done a time or two. Here's a circa 1979/1980 package. You won't have any problems, but if you do chase compression much at all you'll find it really wakes it up.

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Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/23/18 05:20 PM

specially the chrome timing chain cover! LOL
Posted By: Dave Hall

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/23/18 10:18 PM

The chrome ones were thicker/heavier allowing for a cam button.
Posted By: fast68plymouth

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/23/18 10:37 PM

Cam button??

On the recommended single bolt .484 cam?
Posted By: elmor353

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/24/18 01:42 AM

I suggested the Summit cam because I have one on hand with matching springs. Summit says they should be used with 9.5 compression, but the 509 cam runs good at the low compression? lol This engine is going in a pickup I use to chase parts in. Just wanted to wake it up a little.
Posted By: GY3

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/24/18 02:15 AM

Originally Posted By Dave Hall
The chrome ones were thicker/heavier allowing for a cam button.


Stock ones are plenty thick enough to use with a nylon cam button on a roller. It's what I use.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/24/18 06:55 AM

Originally Posted By GY3
Originally Posted By Dave Hall
The chrome ones were thicker/heavier allowing for a cam button.


Stock ones are plenty thick enough to use with a nylon cam button on a roller. It's what I use.

I've seen the buttons leave a mark and remove metal from the stock steel covers, both on chrome and Mopar OEM covers shruggy work
I think the key is how much camshaft end play do you have to the cover shruggy work
Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/24/18 04:01 PM

I was joking about the timing cover just because won't add any power to the engine LOL... if its better for some specific setup, that's a diff deal wrench
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Getting 400 HP From A Smogger 440 - 12/24/18 04:53 PM

You're overlooking the 5lb weight savings of the $150 water pump housing, and it's significant contribution to the package laugh Also, the solid core plug wires were important to mess up everyone's radio signal laugh

Back in the day I skipped the fluff and did a slightly better fuel system instead, but not knowing what was out there I just went with the Carter 4594....

13.0 first time out, and that same day....12.94.

I will never forget that.

The old parts packages might not be relevant anymore, there are ways to do the same thing and be more street friendly, or spend more and get more, but they are....what they are. A place to start. Try it and see what you think.

Without a place to start and some kind of direction, it's all just a gearhead dream. The goal is to turn dreams into reality somehow.

Have a nice holiday all.
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