A Engine Offset Cam Keys?

Posted by: rarefish

A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/08/18 08:17 PM

Who is selling the offset cam keys today? It looks like the MP P4286500 key set has been canceled.
Posted by: RapidRobert

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/08/18 08:26 PM

I want another set & could not find em. I would suggest a 3 keyway timing chain set of the quality level that you want. Other than that: ebay or CL or maybe another mopar site (FABO wanted might be good).
Posted by: EV2Bird

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/08/18 08:29 PM

They pop up on ebay from time to time, but they are like $50 for the set of 4.

Ive three loose ones I dont need if you know what color you need, Id have to look but I think ive a blue, a brown and a yellow.
Posted by: rarefish

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/08/18 08:44 PM

I have a few of them right now, but a friend called me tonight looking for a 4 deg key. Does anyone know what color that key is?
Posted by: justinp61

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/08/18 08:53 PM

Originally Posted By rarefish
I have a few of them right now, but a friend called me tonight looking for a 4 deg key. Does anyone know what color that key is?


I have the info in the shop. but it'll be tomorrow before I'll be back out there.

When I built my 408 I needed one that I didn't have and a member sent me one at no charge. A few months later someone here needed one that I did have so I returned the favor that was given to me.

I did later buy a set off the bag.
Posted by: forphorty

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/08/18 09:32 PM

I have a Mr Gasket one I got from Summit about a year and a half ago. I don't remember the PN. It took months to actually receive it. Good thing I was in no hurry for it. I already had a timing set in my parts pile or otherwise I would have just bought a multi-keyway set instead. I believe the MG key is 4 CAM degrees; i.e. 8 CRANK degrees. I degreed the cam twice with the offset key to make sure I hadn't screwed up and came up with approx 8 degrees more than the straight key both times.
Posted by: pittsburghracer

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/08/18 09:40 PM

Summit stocks any key you should need. I buy all of mine there.
Posted by: RapidRobert

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/08/18 10:40 PM

I only see the "round" BB ones at Summit. the SB ones sorta look like a cam key with the top half of it "shifted/offset" over which shifts the cam gear.
Posted by: 6PakBee

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/08/18 10:42 PM

Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Summit stocks any key you should need. I buy all of mine there.


I couldn't find any key for a B/RB other than the 0 degree.
Posted by: Neil

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/08/18 11:05 PM

Hughes Engines is showing the 4 deg offset key on their website.

http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/products.php?browse=search&search=CAM+KEY&partid=26066
Posted by: Cab_Burge

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/09/18 02:37 AM

The LA motors and all early(pre 1965) non B/RB and 426 hemi V8 Mopars used the same upper cam keys, including the Chrysler Fire power and Desoto Fire Dome hemi motors work
Mr. Gasket sold them in the past, maybe Hot Heads has them still scope
Posted by: Mopar Sam

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/09/18 07:17 AM

The Mr. Gasket ones are sometimes listed as small block chevy crankshaft keys.
Posted by: Cab_Burge

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/09/18 11:29 AM

Originally Posted By Mopar Sam
The Mr. Gasket ones are sometimes listed as small block chevy crankshaft keys.
Your probably correct on that up bow
Posted by: EV2Bird

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/09/18 12:16 PM

Looks like so far ive got a yellow and a blue, I dont recall doing it but I must of as the blue is marked 3 and the yellow 4.

If you can use them pm me your addy and I will toss them in a envelope.

I still think ive one more, like a brown one.
Posted by: justinp61

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/09/18 02:00 PM

Originally Posted By EV2Bird
Looks like so far ive got a yellow and a blue, I dont recall doing it but I must of as the blue is marked 3 and the yellow 4.

If you can use them pm me your addy and I will toss them in a envelope.

I still think ive one more, like a brown one.


My noted indicate the same, yellow is 4°.
Posted by: pittsburghracer

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/09/18 06:36 PM

Thanks a lot guys you jinxed me. I'm putting my 572 together today and throw the timing cover on and want to install my ATI damper on to check my timing marks before I install the heads this weekend. Well my machinist must have removed my key to do his work and it didn't get reinstalled. Usually not an issue but this is a Calias crank with a 1/4 inch keyway instead of a 3/16 so it uses a 1/4-3/16 stepped key. I have over 20 keys here but of coarse no stepped keys so I found one on Summits site for 18.00 and it should be here Monday or Tuesday. Oh well I guess I will be building the transmission for it instead. LOL
Posted by: EV2Bird

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/09/18 06:39 PM

Just marry two unrelated keys and poof you will a have step key. Like step kids.

Ok, not funny.
Posted by: gtsdude

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/13/18 10:47 AM

Originally Posted By Mopar Sam
The Mr. Gasket ones are sometimes listed as small block chevy crankshaft keys.



I used this one, just remember its the camshaft you are moving, not the crank like this one is made for. If you want 4 degrees advance, get a 2 degree key.
Posted by: RapidRobert

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/13/18 01:37 PM

^^^ good heads up info
Posted by: 340Cuda

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/14/18 08:59 AM

Originally Posted By gtsdude
I used this one, just remember its the camshaft you are moving, not the crank like this one is made for. If you want 4 degrees advance, get a 2 degree key.

I have a belt drive now and don't have to deal with this but cam timing is based on 720 degrees. So a 4 degree key will affect the Intake Lobe Center 4 degrees. Correct?
Posted by: gtsdude

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/14/18 02:03 PM

Originally Posted By 340Cuda
Originally Posted By gtsdude
I used this one, just remember its the camshaft you are moving, not the crank like this one is made for. If you want 4 degrees advance, get a 2 degree key.

I have a belt drive now and don't have to deal with this but cam timing is based on 720 degrees. So a 4 degree key will affect the Intake Lobe Center 4 degrees. Correct?


That is correct as long as it is a 4 degree cam key not a a 4 degree crank key you are using as a cam key.
Posted by: pittsburghracer

Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? - 03/14/18 03:05 PM

I hope you degree this cam in because who knows where it’s installed at. I’ve found them up to 22 degrees off