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Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it?

Posted By: V194

Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 01:04 AM

Is there a link to or can somebody post the Mopar color percentage breakdown page? I seem to recall it was 70 or 71 E body? Or just Dodge or Plymouth either way looking for the page.
I have a partial scan but looking for whatever is out there.
Posted By: BDW

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 01:38 AM



Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 01:41 AM

Link to the booklet with all the pages - http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/dealerships/1972DodgeMiniBook-01.shtml
Posted By: V194

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 02:36 AM

Thanks,
I had a computer print of it but that info will do.

Does anybody know the attrition rate for these cars? Which to say how many were destroyed or out of service by now. I know its a percentage just looking to recall what the rate was.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 02:58 AM

There is no way to know how many still exist in any condition on any given day.
Posted By: BDW

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 03:10 AM

I'd bet less than 10% of these cars are left.
Solely based on all the E-bodies I picked through at junkyards in the 80s.
Posted By: V194

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 05:03 AM

Originally Posted By Alaskan_TA
There is no way to know how many still exist in any condition on any given day.


Absolutely I'm with you 100%!! Just a little math manipulation and one could get a guess. And a guess is all it would be.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 05:39 AM

Well.....

Math is an absolute if the true numbers are known. No manipulation or WAGs.

If you want to see some bogus info, use WAG in an internet forum search engine sometime.

People often want 'absolute' answers when there are none.

Sadly, people still make stuff up though.
Posted By: Morty426

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 05:48 AM

Originally Posted By Alaskan_TA
Well.....

Math is an absolute if the true numbers are known. No manipulation or WAGs.

If you want to see some bogus info, use WAG in an internet forum search engine sometime.

People often want 'absolute' answers when there are none.

Sadly, people still make stuff up though.


LOL

Barry you know everyone has to proven that their car is one of one.

It's the most silly thing ever.

Also rare doesn't always equate to desirable
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 06:21 AM

I know.

'Show boards' are commonly known as 'lie boards'. If a car is cool just as it is it speaks for itself, no need for lies on paper, in ads or on show boards.

PB magazine had (or maybe still has?) a tradition, spot the 'bunny' logo on the cover.

Magazines often use the 'one of one' instead of a bunny, but it seems to be a tradition vs. a fact.
Posted By: V194

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 07:32 AM

Any thoughts on this Barry?
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2428708.html#Post2428708
Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 07:55 AM

Originally Posted By V194
Is there a link to or can somebody post the Mopar color percentage breakdown page?



1) On the color breakdown-option report(a factory document...

2) On the 'attrition', there used to be a service that provided a number of vehicles registered in your state, and nationwide...

What with the advent of homeland security, doubt it still exists...

Posted By: hemicar1971

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 09:41 AM

I find the bigger the motor the more chance the Vehicle survived to 2018 for 1971 E Bodies. I also find that the color percentages do not add up with the type of motor in the E Bodies. Example would be 2.0 percent of all 1971 Challengers were build in TX9, black, but the 1971 Hemi Challengers built in black, the percentage is much greater when there is a Hemi between the frame rails.
Posted By: BDW

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 11:20 PM

Wait a minute, your telling me I don't have the only 70 sublime 318 Challenger that now has a 340 in it? Pretty sure the G VIN is a mistake, dealer installed the 340 engine, along with the 518 transmission......
Posted By: 4406bbl

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/04/18 11:59 PM

I must agree big motors, and good colors = high survival rate. Around here in the 70s there was 2 red, 1 black and 1 white hemi Cuda, 1 black and 1 purple hemi challenger. As far as 10% left maybe, but not hemi, 440-6 or wingcars. 65% of superbirds have at least been on a registry, daytonas are even higher. State registrations tell you nothing as many people have a dealers license, or just don't plate their cars. Lots of the good stuff still out there not for sale....yet.
Posted By: BDW

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/05/18 12:38 AM

Or rebodies.........no money or acclaim in resurrection of a /6
Posted By: V194

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/05/18 03:02 AM

Is there a similar breakdown chart based on interior color?
Wondered how often TAN interior was seen in 1970 Challenger.
Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/05/18 03:21 AM

'71 OR lists 'seat color'...

(At least in the 'G' series...
Posted By: Diego (not Ted)

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/05/18 08:15 AM

Originally Posted By V194
Is there a similar breakdown chart based on interior color?
Wondered how often TAN interior was seen in 1970 Cuda.


For hardtops sold in the US, approx. 368 tan buckets. Another 184 were leather.
Posted By: hemicar1971

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/05/18 08:16 AM

I do not have the information on all 77 1971 Hemi Challengers built but here is some information or known information on these cars.

1971 Challenger


FC7==10==12.98 %-----10.0 % for all Challengers
TX9===8==10.38 %------2.0 % for all Challengers

Because of the 1971 Challenger Brouchure with a Purple car on the front I would expect a lot of people would of ordered FC7. TX9 I would also expect a lot of people would order this color being their personal preference with a Hemi, but Dealerships would not order this color with a Hemi. With 1971 Challengers Mr. Norms went down the list ordering colors one auto, one stick they sold almost half of the 14 Automatic 1971 Hemi Challengers built.
Posted By: Morty426

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/06/18 11:52 PM

Originally Posted By hemicar1971
I do not have the information on all 77 1971 Hemi Challengers built but here is some information or known information on these cars.

1971 Challenger


FC7==10==12.98 %-----10.0 % for all Challengers
TX9===8==10.38 %------2.0 % for all Challengers

Because of the 1971 Challenger Brouchure with a Purple car on the front I would expect a lot of people would of ordered FC7. TX9 I would also expect a lot of people would order this color being their personal preference with a Hemi, but Dealerships would not order this color with a Hemi. With 1971 Challengers Mr. Norms went down the list ordering colors one auto, one stick they sold almost half of the 14 Automatic 1971 Hemi Challengers built.


I think you'll find your answer in the 70 numbers. There TX9 is 3X more popular in the R/T line.

The 71 numbers are watered down by the non-R/T
Posted By: Diego (not Ted)

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/07/18 01:48 AM

I see it from a different POV.

The Challenger and Challenger R/T were targeted to different markets, although there was overlap between the two.

What was considered desirable colors for a hi-po car was different than something more pedestrian. Plus, our idea of colors for hi-po cars back then was completely different back then.

For example, black was a formal color often associated with prestigious 4-door sedans; it was not a popular color among hi-po cars (at best, it seems middle-of-the-road). Today, black is probably #2 after red for hi-po cars, which prob explains why it is so popular among collectors (and also explains why we eschew green, which was so popular back in the day but those greens haven't aged well to contemporary eyes). twocents
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/07/18 02:05 AM

Agreed, no answers in 1971 to be found for 1970 cars.

Sales dropped by a very wide margin.

Some 1970 colors were still available in 1971, but 1971 came with new colors also.

Comparing one model year to another & hoping for facts is just not possible.
Posted By: hemicar1971

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/07/18 03:57 AM

Tawny Gold is one color that was available in 1971 and it did take away from the TX9 and FC7s.

The 11 1971 Hemi Cudas sold new in Canada.

GY9=====2 1 SRX9 1 H6X9
GW3=====2 1 SRX9 1 H6XW
GY3=====2 1 H6X9 1 H6XW
FJ6=====2 1 SRX9 1 H5X9
GB5=====1 1 H6X9
TX9=====1 1 H6X9
FC7=====1 1 SRX9

4 four speeds 7 automatics.

The 5 1971 Hemi Challengers sold new in Canada.

FC7=====2 2 H6XW
FY1=====1 1 H6XW
FJ6=====1 1 H6X9
GF7=====1 1 H6X9

3 four speeds 2 automatics

White cars are sometimes ordered as race cars because it is easier to letter up a white drag car.

The two Purple FC7 1971 Canadian Hemi Challengers are the only two known of all the 1971 Hemi Challengers built to have FC7 and white interior. Three of the five 1971 Hemi Challenger sold new in Canada had white interior.

With such a small amount of vehicles this is really just personal preferences when it came to Colors and Options. I believe all the 16 1971 Hemi E Body Hardtops were ordered Vehicles.

If you look at the 1970 Hemi E Body Convertible numbers they do not follow the way the colors went for total production for 1970 E Bodies.

Just some information to think about with the other facts above.
Posted By: Diego (not Ted)

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/07/18 07:45 PM

Just to be clear, going into minutiae will give different results than the total aggregate.

And using percentages of the aggregate, as posted above, will not give accurate results for minutiae like engines. Hemicar1971 has been able to do this because he's kept track of Hemis over the years.
Posted By: hemicar1971

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/08/18 07:58 AM

These figures on the chart above are for Chrysler to gather information for the next years build. Some colors I believe lost the popularity over time such at TX9.

In 1970 the non RT Challengers in TX9 were in the one perecent. Now make it and RT and the percentage gets to around 4%. Anyone have a theory of why that would be. Is it because the RTs were usually an ordered car by the public, more information would have to be known.

FK5 seemed to be a very popular color across all types of Challengers in 1970. Is it because it was a new color, then disappears for 1971. Lots of other changes in colors were done and you have to wonder why. I can see dropping some options if they were never click off in the sales box but colors seem to have the own reasons.
Posted By: Diego (not Ted)

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/08/18 08:18 AM

Originally Posted By hemicar1971

FK5 seemed to be a very popular color across all types of Challengers in 1970. Is it because it was a new color, then disappears for 1971. Lots of other changes in colors were done and you have to wonder why. I can see dropping some options if they were never click off in the sales box but colors seem to have the own reasons.


Bronze was popular then, and it seems it was a color that was popular among different types of cars (A-, B-, C-, and E-bodies).

FK5 may have disappeared after 1970, but it was replaced by GK6, which is a similar color.
Posted By: hemicar1971

Re: Color percentage breakdown 70-71 chart Who has it? - 01/08/18 10:36 PM

GK6 was a less popular color than FK6. GK6 had to compete with other new colors for 1971 such as GY8 and GY9 and maybe that took away a few percentage build points. Anyone have the 1972 Challenger color percentage chart and colors available. Are there percentages for special order colors with a 999 code or something like a Mary Kay car or like the trucks were I worked around 1985 we built Pick Up Trucks in Purple and Yellow that were a Company Colors.
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