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Small bolt pattern wheel question

Posted By: 694406

Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/12/17 07:14 PM

I picked up this Western Sport Special Dart with what looks to be the factory rims. They are wider than the normal sbp wheels yet very different looking than the 5.5" wheels. Anyone know what these are?

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Posted By: Morty426

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/13/17 12:05 AM

It looks like a 1968 wheel to me, check near the valve stem to see if it calls out the width either 5.5 or 6.0
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/15/17 11:36 AM

LA had a different plant for some of their wheels - so they may look a little different than what you are used to seeing

V8 with disc brakes or A/C should have sbp 14x5.5"
Posted By: FurryStump

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/15/17 06:08 PM

Forget the darts wheels! What about those trailer wheels! Never saw someone run big and littles on their trailer! smile
Posted By: blewbyu

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/15/17 10:48 PM

I have a 68 GTS with that same wheels and I was also confused.
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/16/17 03:26 AM

I don't believe I have ever seen those wheels. They look like 13" centers on 14" wheels to me! You silly Kalifornikans make some strange stuff... shruggy
Posted By: SNK-EYZ

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/16/17 08:01 AM

Originally Posted By FurryStump
Forget the darts wheels! What about those trailer wheels! Never saw someone run big and littles on their trailer! smile


If you actually knew Joe you'd understand. whistling

Obviously cheap used tires are the reason why.

That or he hoping to start a new trend of big and little's on trailers. laugh2
Posted By: 694406

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/17/17 01:30 AM

Well crap! If Jim (Rhinodart) doesn't know now I'm really puzzled! I guess I should keep them because as soon as I'd sell the car they'd turn out to be something I shouldn't have let go!

Are you going to MCACN Jim? I'f I'm motivated enough in the morning I'll pull one off & bring it.

As far as the trailer tires it shadowing and the way the trailer is torqued into the lane at the gas station!
Posted By: Sunroofcuda

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/18/17 06:37 AM

Here is a 68-9 date coded 14x5.5" large (4.5") BP wheel - the bumps in-between the lug holes are very distinctive:

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Posted By: kentj340

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/18/17 07:26 PM

? the placard in the photo says 3.75" bolt circle.
Posted By: bboogieart

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/18/17 07:53 PM

Originally Posted By kentj340
? the placard in the photo says 3.75" bolt circle.

No, the Placard says bolt space, not bolt circle. Big difference.
'69 Dart should be standard bolt pattern. 5 bolt X 4.5 inch circle.
As for those wheels I have no clue.
Posted By: GODSCOUNTRY340

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/18/17 08:06 PM

Originally Posted By bboogieart
Originally Posted By kentj340
? the placard in the photo says 3.75" bolt circle.

No, the Placard says bolt space, not bolt circle. Big difference.
'69 Dart should be standard bolt pattern. 5 bolt X 4.5 inch circle.
As for those wheels I have no clue.


Bolt pattern on a '69 Dart would be 5 bolt x 4" bolt circle.
Posted By: bboogieart

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/18/17 08:12 PM

Quote "bolt pattern on a '69 Dart would be 5 bolt x 4" bolt circle."
Oops. Not that familiar with A bodies.
When did they get the Bigger size?
Posted By: kentj340

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/18/17 08:57 PM

I'm now restoring the wheels on my one owner '69 Hamtramck Barracuda with 14 x 5.5 wheels.

3 are original factory wheels of 11/11/68 and 11/12/68, and 2 are parts counter wheels of 7/24/70 and 12/23/71, because my then wife wiped out 2 on a curb.

The 3 original 1968 wheels have shallow bosses between the lug holes, and the ends toward the center of rotation are pointy.

The '70 and '71 wheels have bigger bosses with round ends.

Top 2 photos show original '68 wheels first, '70 and '71 wheels below.

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Posted By: kentj340

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/18/17 09:03 PM

All 5 wheels were made in Canada. The 3 original wheels and one of the parts counter wheels have 8 big spot welds. The 12/23/71 wheel has 4 automated bead welds.

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Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/18/17 10:47 PM

Originally Posted By bboogieart
Quote "bolt pattern on a '69 Dart would be 5 bolt x 4" bolt circle."
Oops. Not that familiar with A bodies.
When did they get the Bigger size?


1973 was the first year that production A body cars were available with the standard Mopar 4.5 inch bolt circle.
Now....At that time, there were still 4 wheel drum cars both the 9 inch front and 10 inch front. There is some that say that after 1974, no front drum cars were built. I have owned more than one 1975-76 car with small 9 inch drums at all four wheels. There has been debate that since the Mopar parts catalogs didn't list front drums for 1975 and 1976 cars, they were not built. Believe what you want, I owned two. I've also seen numerous 75-76 cars in wrecking yards with 4 wheel drum brakes. Also, ALL 4 wheel drum A body cars were small bolt pattern.
Posted By: bboogieart

Re: Small bolt pattern wheel question - 11/19/17 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By Frankenduster
Originally Posted By bboogieart
Quote "bolt pattern on a '69 Dart would be 5 bolt x 4" bolt circle."
Oops. Not that familiar with A bodies.
When did they get the Bigger size?


1973 was the first year that production A body cars were available with the standard Mopar 4.5 inch bolt circle.
Now....At that time, there were still 4 wheel drum cars both the 9 inch front and 10 inch front. There is some that say that after 1974, no front drum cars were built. I have owned more than one 1975-76 car with small 9 inch drums at all four wheels. There has been debate that since the Mopar parts catalogs didn't list front drums for 1975 and 1976 cars, they were not built. Believe what you want, I owned two. I've also seen numerous 75-76 cars in wrecking yards with 4 wheel drum brakes. Also, ALL 4 wheel drum A body cars were small bolt pattern.


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