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Coroner to charger

Posted By: bigblockbryan

Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 12:46 AM

Okay so I have a very rusty charger and the opportunity to buy a rusty coroner but the floors frame are decent my question is has anyone ever seen this done my charger pretty gone needs basically everything behind the firewall back but roof is good either way will be a lot of work both 318 cars
Posted By: mgoblue9798

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 12:48 AM

Bringing one back from the dead? smile
Posted By: bigblockbryan

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 03:16 AM

Kinda I really want a charger I just can't see spending 10 grand on a shell and still having rust to fix I was planning on ordering all the metal from amd but then this coroner came up I started thinking it maybe just as easy to do this instead I was just curious to see if anyone else had done this or thought about doing it
Posted By: HemiRick

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 03:18 AM

You mean Coronet....
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 03:21 AM

Do you mean Coronet?

If so, save the Coronet if it has no major issues, it sounds like the Charger is DOA already.

If both cars are toast, sell or save the parts & start with a better car.
Posted By: 65pacecar

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 04:44 AM

Sounds like both cars need a Coroner. If that rusty and 318 doubt they are worth sinking the money and time into. Maybe good parts cars.
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 05:42 AM

Originally Posted By bigblockbryan
Okay so I have a very rusty charger and the opportunity to buy a rusty coroner but the floors frame are decent my question is has anyone ever seen this done my charger pretty gone needs basically everything behind the firewall back but roof is good either way will be a lot of work both 318 cars


What? I cannot understand any of this.
Posted By: 469runner

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 05:46 AM

Maybe contact a coronor and find the cause of death.
Posted By: Morty426

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 08:18 AM

Go find a better Charger
Posted By: modelmakerinc

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 01:17 PM

I see 66 67 Chargers in decent condition all the time for much less than the cost and work involved in fixing a basket case.

These cars are red headed step children so they don't have a ton of following. IMO
Posted By: Morty426

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 02:33 PM

Originally Posted By modelmakerinc
I see 66 67 Chargers in decent condition all the time for much less than the cost and work involved in fixing a basket case.

These cars are red headed step children so they don't have a ton of following. IMO


Is it because the look like a big AMC Marlin?
Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 02:37 PM

If you can make the body job ( total or partial ) by yourself I think worths the try.

If you have to pay for the full body job, forgett it
Posted By: floridian

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 07:08 PM

Originally Posted By Morty426
Originally Posted By modelmakerinc
I see 66 67 Chargers in decent condition all the time for much less than the cost and work involved in fixing a basket case.

These cars are red headed step children so they don't have a ton of following. IMO


Is it because the look like a big AMC Marlin?


Ain't that the truth....
Posted By: Jeremiah

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 10:26 PM

Coronet and the Marlin has a one night stand lol
Posted By: mopars4ever

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/03/17 11:50 PM

Quote:
I see 66 67 Chargers in decent condition all the time for much less than the cost and work involved in fixing a basket case.

These cars are red headed step children so they don't have a ton of following. IMO
Unless i`m blind in one eye and can`t see out the other, I don`t see where he even says what year it is?
Posted By: bigblockbryan

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 12:51 AM

That's all right it was just a question the 68-70 chargers seem to be high that's why I'm fixing mine for the money I stick into mine would be what a usable shell would cost except tons of labor not my first car I have built
Posted By: modelmakerinc

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 03:21 AM

https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/1967-dodge-charger/6239320516.html
Posted By: bigblockbryan

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 07:25 AM

I was talking about a 1970 I have and a 1968 dodge coronet I can buy for about 600.00 that has a solid frame most the floors the quarters are junk on the charger and coronet the roofs got typical Rust on coronet charger roof has no rust not a fan of the 66-67
Posted By: 4mayhemi

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 08:24 AM

Originally Posted By bigblockbryan
I was talking about a 1970 I have and a 1968 dodge coronet I can buy for about 600.00 that has a solid frame most the floors the quarters are junk on the charger and coronet the roofs got typical Rust on coronet charger roof has no rust

So I think I'm reading:
You had a thought for your 70 Charger to use the floor pans, trunk pan, and rear frame rails from a donor 68 Coronet to save money? And the only good metal on your Charger is the roof?

Some thoughts are better left unsaid.
Posted By: themoparmanjc

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 11:41 AM

Originally Posted By bigblockbryan
I was talking about a 1970 I have and a 1968 dodge coronet I can buy for about 600.00 that has a solid frame most the floors the quarters are junk on the charger and coronet the roofs got typical Rust on coronet charger roof has no rust not a fan of the 66-67


Not trying to sound like a jerk, but using punctuation may help people better understand your posts. Sometimes what you write can sound like two different things if it's one big run on sentence.
Posted By: modelmakerinc

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 02:03 PM

I naturally assumed you were talking about the 66/67 Charger/Coronet because they share the same platform and many of the same parts.

So I will bow out of this confusion.

Good luck
Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 03:11 PM

I know my english is not the best, but at least is not my mother language!

Ok, lets see, all the unybody parts but the roof are the same.

Outer shell is completelly different

So anything from the unybody can be used but still will need to work on shell parts, patching or getting full panels.

Once again... is doable? Yes.

As far you can make the most posible by yourself will save a bunch of money and could worth the try.

If you have to pay for the job, maybe is better get a better car to work on unless the Charger gets a VIN that can make worth the job.


Got it?

Unless is a challenge for you trying to build a car from two cars... but maybe is better keep the Coronet as Coronet and forget about save a rusty bucket Charger?

O course mostly sure build the Charger using THAT parts car in just $600 will be cheaper than buy unybody reproduction parts!


Pics will be helpfull to post a better opinion
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 03:20 PM

What is your fabrication and welding skill level at? If I had a 70 charger with a rotted out floor/trunk I would pull it apart and back-half it from the firewall back. However with the values of the 68-70 charger stuff it would be well worth it to buy repro sheet metal for it.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 03:42 PM

Originally Posted By bigblockbryan
Kinda I really want a charger I just can't see spending 10 grand on a shell and still having rust to fix I was planning on ordering all the metal from amd but then this coroner came up I started thinking it maybe just as easy to do this instead I was just curious to see if anyone else had done this or thought about doing it




Rather than cutting up both cars to make one Frankenstein quilt and patch work creation, just de-skin the CORONET enough to hang any good used sheetmetal along with some AMD full qtrs and whatever associated body panels you need to convert the CORONET into a Charger, then swap the Charger VIN onto the new shell
Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 03:46 PM

That's what would be, more less.

But isn't that what you call "rebody" a car? Is that legal up there? I have known not!
Posted By: Centerline

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 03:47 PM

Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By bigblockbryan
Kinda I really want a charger I just can't see spending 10 grand on a shell and still having rust to fix I was planning on ordering all the metal from amd but then this coroner came up I started thinking it maybe just as easy to do this instead I was just curious to see if anyone else had done this or thought about doing it




Rather than cutting up both cars to make one Frankenstein quilt and patch work creation, just de-skin the CORONET enough to hang any good used sheetmetal along with some AMD full qtrs and whatever associated body panels you need to convert the CORONET into a Charger, then swap the Charger VIN onto the new shell


That's just a little bit illegal. Swapping VIN tags can get you serious jail time.
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 06:19 PM

Originally Posted By Centerline
Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By bigblockbryan
Kinda I really want a charger I just can't see spending 10 grand on a shell and still having rust to fix I was planning on ordering all the metal from amd but then this coroner came up I started thinking it maybe just as easy to do this instead I was just curious to see if anyone else had done this or thought about doing it




Rather than cutting up both cars to make one Frankenstein quilt and patch work creation, just de-skin the CORONET enough to hang any good used sheetmetal along with some AMD full qtrs and whatever associated body panels you need to convert the CORONET into a Charger, then swap the Charger VIN onto the new shell


That's just a little bit illegal. Swapping VIN tags can get you serious jail time.



Maybe if you were dealing in stolen cars, which the laws were intended for, not for some enthusiast restoring or creating a vehicle from a number of donors/parts that are legally owned
Posted By: 4mayhemi

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By Centerline
Originally Posted By DAYCLONA

Rather than cutting up both cars to make one Frankenstein quilt and patch work creation, just de-skin the CORONET enough to hang any good used sheetmetal along with some AMD full qtrs and whatever associated body panels you need to convert the CORONET into a Charger, then swap the Charger VIN onto the new shell

That's just a little bit illegal. Swapping VIN tags can get you serious jail time.

Maybe if you were dealing in stolen cars, which the laws were intended for, not for some enthusiast restoring or creating a vehicle from a number of donors/parts that are legally owned

That might be the best point you've had in the VIN saga, especially considering most of us are good people keeping cars til we die. I think it matters that at some point the car will be sold and passed off as real for big bucks, and that doesn't sit well with many of us. We're talking about 20 or 80 or 250 thousand dollars, not a $30 toaster.

In the OP's case, a 70 Charger is worth saving the extra $ for AMD and doing it right, rather than a hack job. So even if his welding handiwork is perfect, what, is he going to try and use house paint he can save $1100 on?
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 07:25 PM

Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Rather than cutting up both cars to make one Frankenstein quilt and patch work creation, just de-skin the CORONET enough to hang any good used sheetmetal along with some AMD full qtrs and whatever associated body panels you need to convert the CORONET into a Charger, then swap the Charger VIN onto the new shell


Fraud, swapping VINs is fraud.

Using the VIN from one car one another & then insuring car 2 with the numbers from car one is also insurance fraud.
Posted By: Centerline

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 10:51 PM

Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By Centerline
Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By bigblockbryan
Kinda I really want a charger I just can't see spending 10 grand on a shell and still having rust to fix I was planning on ordering all the metal from amd but then this coroner came up I started thinking it maybe just as easy to do this instead I was just curious to see if anyone else had done this or thought about doing it




Rather than cutting up both cars to make one Frankenstein quilt and patch work creation, just de-skin the CORONET enough to hang any good used sheetmetal along with some AMD full qtrs and whatever associated body panels you need to convert the CORONET into a Charger, then swap the Charger VIN onto the new shell


That's just a little bit illegal. Swapping VIN tags can get you serious jail time.



Maybe if you were dealing in stolen cars, which the laws were intended for, not for some enthusiast restoring or creating a vehicle from a number of donors/parts that are legally owned


The law doesn't care. You can have all the good intentions in the world but VIN swapping is illegal no matter how (or why) you do it.
Posted By: flypaper

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 10:55 PM

What if you took the dash frame, cowl, roof, trunk gutters And rad support off a car and used the parts of 16 other cars to make it whole again??
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 11:13 PM

Originally Posted By flypaper
What if you took the dash frame, cowl, roof, trunk gutters And rad support off a car and used the parts of 16 other cars to make it whole again??





Well according to Mopar goody2shoers Law, that's OK, because when sheetmetal body/frame parts are separated from the donor(s), they magically become null and void of any identification ready for transplant,even if you've reconstructed 80% of the vehicle with multiple donor cars & parts, but yet when you remove the VINs from a clean rustfree/undamaged legally owned/purchased donor vehicle somehow their essence is still ingrained on the now rolling anonymous sheetmetal hulk and somehow assigning a donor VIN is taboo? it's just a machine, a collection of parts, a vehicle's identity is define legally by it's title,...paperwork, nothing more...
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 11:19 PM

Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Well according to Mopar goody2shoers Law, that's OK, because when sheetmetal body/frame parts are separated from the donor(s), they magically become null and void of any identification ready for transplant,even if you've reconstructed 80% of the vehicle with multible donor parts, but yet when you remove the VINs from a clean rustfree/undamaged donor vehicle somehow their essence is still ingrained on the rolling anonymous sheetmetal hulk and somehow assigning a donor VIN is taboo?


Illegal / fraud / taboo.

Number swapping is for fakers & frauds - Not for the law abiding with scruples & morals.
Posted By: flypaper

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 11:42 PM

Originally Posted By Alaskan_TA
Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Well according to Mopar goody2shoers Law, that's OK, because when sheetmetal body/frame parts are separated from the donor(s), they magically become null and void of any identification ready for transplant,even if you've reconstructed 80% of the vehicle with multible donor parts, but yet when you remove the VINs from a clean rustfree/undamaged donor vehicle somehow their essence is still ingrained on the rolling anonymous sheetmetal hulk and somehow assigning a donor VIN is taboo?


Illegal / fraud / taboo.

Number swapping is for fakers & frauds - Not for the law abiding with scruples & morals.


How is what I described illegal?
No numbers were changed?

Parts were replaced one or 2 at a time
Not all at once.
Posted By: 4mayhemi

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/04/17 11:53 PM

Came across this, in your neck of the woods?
framerails
Front sets with both frame rails, radiator support and torsion bar mount
1966-70 B-Body $600
Rear sets both frame rails, shock brace, and brace above gas tank.
1966-70 B-body Dodge $500
These are all factory origial pieces already welded together at fraction of cost of reproductions that you have to weld together and square up with car. Saves time and money


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Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/05/17 12:23 AM

Originally Posted By 4mayhemi
Came across this, in your neck of the woods?
framerails




Those appear to be 71-72 B body
Posted By: RTSrunner

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/05/17 04:50 AM

Use both VIN's to get a special construction tag /state issued VIN.Just document your rebuild process with pics.
Posted By: Centerline

Re: Coroner to charger - 08/05/17 05:28 PM

Originally Posted By flypaper


Number swapping is for fakers & frauds - Not for the law abiding

How is what I described illegal?
No numbers were changed?

Parts were replaced one or 2 at a time
Not all at once.


What you suggested would not be fraud since you would not be swapping VIN numbers. Simply replacing sheet metal on an existing car is not a problem. Its when a VIN tag is removed from one car and used on another that it is illegal.... and for very good reasons. Not just for theft but also to keep people from passing off a fraudulently assembled car as an original. Like passing off a Superbird clone as a "real" Superbird by transplanting an actual Superbird VIN tag on a Roadrunner body and adding the other parts required to make it a clone.

Legally a car is born with one VIN number and the ONLY authority who can change that is the state DMV..... and only for specific reasons. Usually for a custom assembled vehicle or where the tag as been lost or there has been legitimate damage that destroyed the tag. Then the DMV will assign a new VIN for the car.

18 U.S. Code § 511 - Altering or removing motor vehicle identification numbers

(a) A person who—
(1) knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters an identification number for a motor vehicle or motor vehicle part; or
(2) with intent to further the theft of a motor vehicle, knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters a decal or device affixed to a motor vehicle pursuant to the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act,
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
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