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RR survivor engine bay

Posted By: road

RR survivor engine bay - 07/10/17 01:47 AM

Own a survivor 69 RR and would like to find some contacts to ask questions about possibly improving the appearance of the engine bay area. What could be done.
Thanks
Posted By: 4mayhemi

Re: RR survivor - 07/10/17 07:10 AM

Originally Posted By road
What absolutely not to do or what can be done to the car

Some things and anything. Mix or match question and answer.

. . . so you're looking to buy a non-restored RR? Can you be a little more specific?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: RR survivor - 07/10/17 02:38 PM

Doing ANYTHING to "improve" the appearance of a survivor is a VERY bad idea. You will essentially be erasing history which is what makes a survivor so special. People that will be interested in a survivor car appreciate and understand the fact that they aren't always "pretty", that dirt and wear are signs of a good honest original car that hasn't been messed with.

Here are a couple survivor Hemi engines. True survivor fans go nuts over engines that look like this, they don't need to look pretty to impress.

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Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: RR survivor - 07/10/17 02:44 PM

Can you post a picture for us? Maybe we can offer some suggestions. It's only a survivor so long as it's original so I would be very hesitant to do much. Maybe a gentle cleaning if there's an excessive amount of dirt from gravel road driving of years of winter driving, etc.
Posted By: finn

Re: RR survivor - 07/10/17 03:18 PM

Once it's repainted, it's neither original nor a survivor.

Clean it. Gently.
Posted By: topside

Re: RR survivor - 07/11/17 01:48 AM

I would just clean it. I don't see any reason for an accumulation of grease & dirt just because some previous owner neglected to keep the car clean.
I also don't understand people who leave worn-out parts like plug wires on an engine that needs them replaced to run properly; clean & bag the originals, put on the most accurate/correct replacements you can find, and respect the car. Same for leaking gaskets, dry-rotted tires, shredded upholstery and rust-through.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: RR survivor - 07/11/17 02:24 AM

The problem with cleaning is that many subtle details can be easily lost in that effort, grease pencil markings, etc. are extremely fragile and not always visible or obvious until halfway removed, it's easy to wipe most of them right off.

If selling is the goal, I'd recommend against it and let the buyer see it as is and decide where to go from there. .02

Posted By: 4mayhemi

Re: RR survivor engine bay - 07/11/17 04:29 AM

Originally Posted By road
Own a survivor 69 RR

If you just bought it like your original post implied then it could help to post pictures here. There have been many a car listed as "survivor" in the WIW and some keen-eyed mopartians have found multiple items that disqualify some as "survivor."

It's not to tear your RR apart, but if there's a lot of non-wear replacement items that might answer some what-to-do questions. If it turns out solid, that's a bonus for you too.

There will probably be (and already are) 2 camps in this thread. Post the pics and let em discuss and we all learn something.
Posted By: 4mayhemi

Re: RR survivor - 07/11/17 04:40 AM

Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms

Here are a couple survivor Hemi engines. True survivor fans go nuts over engines that look like this, they don't need to look pretty to impress.

Funny thing, if that Hemi was eat-on clean, and I dribbled a tear of oil on the plug wire, I would think "oh #$%& what have I done!" And in its current patina condition, if I cleaned around the oil cap fill hole (like I always do from habit) I would think "oh #$%& what have I done!"
Posted By: bbtrux

Re: RR survivor - 07/11/17 02:45 PM

Ok...if a grease pencil mark is not able to be seen covered in dirt, and cleaning it will render it gone or illegible, why does it matter? If it cant be seen, and cleaning removes it, it doesnt really exist anymore, except in a sort of "shroedingers cat" kind of context.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: RR survivor - 07/11/17 03:16 PM

It's a matter of knowledge and cleaning techniques. IMO its something that should be left in the hands of an expert, just like cleaning a valuable painting, you don't just break out the Purple Stuff and a shop towel and have at it.
Posted By: topside

Re: RR survivor - 07/11/17 04:07 PM

True; you want to document it with photos and be thoughtful, not just blast away with degreaser & steam-cleaning. If resale is the goal, maybe leave it as is. For the cars I've kept around to enjoy, I've never understood leaving leaks and worn-out parts, but other things like wear on paint & such free me from worrying about perfection. I've always had a thing about cleanliness on my stuff, but as the saying goes, they're only original once.
Photos would help - and they're always interesting - and should illustrate the level of survivorship and any attention the car might/might not benefit from. At this point, there's not enough info.
Posted By: mopargem

Re: RR survivor - 07/11/17 05:28 PM

Yeah what Scott said about the purple cleaner it will dull paint and once I learned the hard way cleaning an original road runner horn, it ruined my voice of the road runner decal. I was sick!
Posted By: Tom Fox

Re: RR survivor - 07/11/17 08:07 PM

Originally Posted By mopargem
Yeah what Scott said about the purple cleaner it will dull paint and once I learned the hard way cleaning an original road runner horn, it ruined my voice of the road runner decal. I was sick!



Should Have Used Acme Degreaser, Would Have Been Fine. boogie
Posted By: mikemee1331

Re: RR survivor - 07/11/17 10:02 PM

Originally Posted By Tom Fox
Originally Posted By mopargem
Yeah what Scott said about the purple cleaner it will dull paint and once I learned the hard way cleaning an original road runner horn, it ruined my voice of the road runner decal. I was sick!



Should Have Used Acme Degreaser, Would Have Been Fine. boogie

drumhit
Posted By: road

Re: RR survivor - 07/12/17 12:15 AM

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Re: RR survivor - 07/12/17 12:17 AM

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Re: RR survivor - 07/12/17 12:24 AM

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Re: RR survivor - 07/12/17 12:27 AM

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Posted By: mikemee1331

Re: RR survivor - 07/12/17 12:48 AM

i think its safe to say that while you have an awesome Road Runner, it can no longer be classed as a 'survivor'.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: RR survivor - 07/12/17 02:46 AM

Have any shots of the engine without the air cleaner, a little closer to show better details?
Posted By: blewbyu

Re: RR survivor - 07/12/17 04:09 AM

I would not touch that engine bay myself. twocents
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: RR survivor - 07/12/17 07:02 AM

Let sleeping dogs lie. Leave it alone.
Posted By: 52savoy

Re: RR survivor - 07/12/17 09:46 AM

Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Doing ANYTHING to "improve" the appearance of a survivor is a VERY bad idea. You will essentially be erasing history which is what makes a survivor so special. People that will be interested in a survivor car appreciate and understand the fact that they aren't always "pretty", that dirt and wear are signs of a good honest original car that hasn't been messed with.

Here are a couple survivor Hemi engines. True survivor fans go nuts over engines that look like this, they don't need to look pretty to impress.



What's the story on the bottom Hemi? I've been looking for a '66 Belvedere 4 speed car for the last 40 years. It was in West Virginia at that time, in a barn.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: RR survivor engine bay - 07/12/17 02:36 PM

It's a 67 BelvedereI Hemi 4 speed car. Super rare car as none were supposed to be built in 67. As it turns out a handful were built, this one is one of 4 known to exist, 1 of 3 Hemi 4 speed cars. It was found in the Midwest sitting in a garage, it's one of the nicest Hemi survivors you'll see anywhere, any year, simply amazing car. It was purchased and sold a few times since being discovered and now resides in a private collection in Ohio.

One of the (recent) previous owners had the original black wheels powder coated body color because he liked the way it looked better than the black wheels with full wheel covers it originally had. He also changed out the full exhaust system for a reproduction setup. I'm glad he sold it before doing further damage......

First pic: As found
Second pic: After wheel change



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