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Help with my 71' roadrunner

Posted By: CurYellowBird

Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/14/09 09:10 PM

How's it going folks. I am new to the website and learning about mopars basically. Well I scored big and found the mopar I've always wanted. I found a 1971 roadrunner that was taken off the road in 77'. This RM23 roadrunner is origionally a california car and I talked the guy down from 10k to 7.5k . Has numbers matching 383 4 speed and the car is origional to the point of having the factory exhaust . What I'm trying to figure out is the differences and specs between a regular 383 and the "N" code HP 383. Mine just so happens to be the "N" code. Another question I have is how often did 71' roadrunners that had the 383 4 speed come with AC? This car has the AC as well. Finally, this car has what I believed is called a Dictephone (cassette recorder) and had the black bikini vinyl top, origional color curious yellow. Are these options rare on roadrunners?
There's just a lot of things on this car that shows that it was special ordered and not part of a bulk order made by the dealerships. Case and point, its a 4 speed with the bucket seats, console, etc. but has AC and has a Clock instead of the RPM Gauge. I'm not sure how rare the bikini vinyl top is either. But with the options this thing has, along with the dictAphone, I believe the origional owner was a doctor or something along those lines. He wanted to look badass in this thing with all the racing options but at the same time have the lucturies such as the AC, vinyl top, etc. As we all know, these things ordered in bulk were nothing but bare bone cars, and if any muscle car guy from back then ordered one of these, he wouldn't want the AC or other luxuries.
Unfortunately, this car did have the build sheet but a rat or mouse made a home underneath the back seat and made some nesting out of it. I saved whatever scraps were legible. Here's the fender tag codes:

first 7 vin # RM23N1G

V8X 26 END
M21 N41 N97 R36 V21
C55 G11 G36 H51 J45 L31
V4X U A01 A87 B11 C16
GY3 M6X9 TX9 610 040964
E65 D21 RM23 N1G

Basically I'm trying to get an overall summary and outside opinions of this car.
Posted By: 71rm23

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/14/09 09:50 PM

Hey Pat. Welcome to the site I have a '71 RR, buckets, Tor-Red, A/C, AND a cassette as well. Half vinyl roof as well. No stick tho. Anyway here is what I can tell you:

"N" Is the engine size in the car, nothing more- If the block has a "HP" on the pad near the disributor and/or a symbol with it, then it is better than the standard 383. Not sure about the spcifics on the engine as to why. I think a better cam etc. Someone will chime in and clearify this better.

E65 383 4BBl magnum engine
D21- Stick shift
RM23N1G-VIN number and the rest of the numbers would be the sequence(number what ever of what ever)
GY#3"Paint color-Curious Yellow
M6X9- Interior
TX9- Black trim?
610-Build dat- Not sure when
040964 Order number I think
V4X-Not sure
U-Built to US specs-Not a export car
A01-Light package
A87-Roadrunner decor group
B11-Heavy duty drum breaks
C16-Not sure
C55-Bucket seats
G36-Not sure
H51- Air conditioning
J45-Not sure
L31-Hood mounted turn signals
M21-Bright drip moulding
N41-Dual exhaust
N97-??
R36: Thats the radio. If you have a cassette player, then the player is 1 of 137 made for that year, from what I've been told.
V21-Hood performance treatment
V8X-Strobe stripe reflective, black
26-26" radiator

The ones I don't know about someone will decode for ya. I don't have all of my numbers with me right now. Post some pictures also. If your restoring her,, progress will be appreciated. Also, become a member of www.roadrunnernest.com. Thats a site for '71-'74 B-Body cars. A lot of info there as well Congrats on the car
Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/14/09 10:24 PM

You found a nice car there. I just sold this one last summer. Also a 383, 4 speed with A/C and cassette deck although no vinyl roof. I added the spoilers and Air Grabber.

Sheldon

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Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/14/09 10:31 PM

I want to put on the front louvers and spoiler as well but other than that this car is going to be restored to factory specs, maybe a lil bigger cam. I won't convert mine to an air grabber just cause of origionality purposes and its expensive to convert. I believe with the options this car has, factory restoration would be worth my while.(I won't be selling this car, stays in the family)



Posted By: cdp

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/14/09 11:29 PM

That is a very cool find! I'd say you scored big! I love 71's. I've had 3-71-GTX's and still have one with a 440/auto/airgrabber.

I think the 1/2 canopy top is a 1/2 year only addition that was added late in the year.

C16-Console
N97-California emissions (turn down tips more than likely)
J45-hood pins

It is very unusual to see a 4spd with air, but I've seen several. Console cassette is fairly rare too.

Looks like you have a fairly easy resto. I suggest a body on if its nice and solid, which it looks to be, and make it a super nice driver. In this economy, a rotissery resto isn't a good idea and takes away from doing what that car is meant to do.....

Shifting them gears!

Finding exact #'s on the options will be pretty tough, but you could mail your info into GG and hope you might get an answer.
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/14/09 11:49 PM

I've ran the numbers on everything in this car and it was born on June 10,1971 which means this was a late bloomer since production of 71' cars stops in july of that year, as do most autos in the industry. The motor, tranny, etc. is all numbers matching. So if your prediction about the vinyl top is true, well then this car is proof of it.
Posted By: cdp

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/14/09 11:57 PM

After owning so many 71-X's and all having full tops, I was told you coudn't get a 1/2 top on an X. Wrong..wrong..wrong. I ran across a couple of them and one was an original owner car that was built late.

High Performance Mopar magazine had on going segments called 'broadcast news'. When they did the story on the 71-plymouth B-body's, they had the info on the 1/2 top. If I could find that issue, I could tell the date it started production.
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 12:02 AM

Well any info on these cars would be greatly appreciated. This particular RR has remained a mystery for a bit while I've been trying to run the numbers and fender tag. Does anyone know if a company out there is able to print out build sheets for these cars once you give them the vin etc.?
Posted By: stumpy

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 12:29 AM

Why not look for the original build sheet in the car? Could be in the front seat springs or under the back seat or in the back seat back.
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 12:35 AM

I did find the build sheet, or what was left of it. It was in the back seat but a rat or mouse used it as nesting. I kept what ever bits and pieces that were legible.
Posted By: cdp

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 12:41 AM

There are blank ones sold on Ebay and a PDF of one here on moparts, but isn't quite right. Once its gone....its gone, unless you find another in the car.

I found the article and its in a May 1992 High Performance Mopar mag. I'd scan it, but my scanner doesn't work anymore. The date on the roof is for GTX's only. It states that on Feb 1st, you could get the V4- 1/2 vinyl roof in green, gold, black or white. V4X being black.
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 01:18 AM

I guess I'm gonna end up looking under the front seats to see if there is an extra build sheet put in. It was just a rumor that there was a company out there able to pull up build sheets from the Chrysler archives.
Posted By: QuickBpBp

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 01:27 AM

Great find and nice car it seems so original but I wonder why it had a full paint job with-in 7 years???? You can see the brake lines,wiring harness,kick panel etc... has alot of yellow over-spray. Any word from the guy you bought it from?
Posted By: basketcase

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 01:29 AM

welcome to the site fellow road runner owner. that car looks great. If it's as nice in person as it is in the pics, I would only do what's absoulty necessary to make it safe to drive, and things like the tore seats, etc. These cars are only original once. keep the pics comming!
Posted By: 1fastrunner

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 01:31 AM

First of all, Great Find!!
Don't forget to check behind the glove box.
Jim
Posted By: mopargem

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 01:38 AM

Hey Pat, very cool find! Look around, it's not unusual to find multiple build sheets, check the front seat backs too, under carpet or above glove box. I found 4 sheets in one of my cars once, but one sheet was from another car down the line. My 71 is an unrestored ragged out driver, but I still like it, here's a pic.

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Posted By: RM23V1

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 01:40 AM

Nice car. I had one built on June 18, so I'm guessing your VIN sequence number is in the high 220's.

Interesting that the original owner sprung for all those options, but it has manual brakes. At least he ordered power steering...

Also, if the vinyl top is in good shape, try not to replace it. Last I knew, you couldn't get correct reproductions. The repros have seams down each side and the originals didn't.
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 01:48 AM

The paint job on this car is not the origional paint. Some jackass paint over the car with yellow spray paint and the other side has a lot of primer. The main problem is that I'm going to need to replace the passenger quarter. The previous owner mentioned it got into a wreck at some point and looks like it was t-boned, but with all the bondo on it you couldn't tell. The worst spot i found is right in front of the rear tire. THe filler there had to be at least 1.5in thick. I'm going to paint it back to the origional curious yellow and keep it as origional as possible.
Posted By: QuickBpBp

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 01:59 AM

Quote:

I think the 1/2 canopy top is a 1/2 year only addition that was added late in the year.





Yep the V4X is black canopy roof...
Posted By: RM23V1

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 02:13 AM

A few more random things:

G36 is body-color racing mirrors - left & right

18.3% of Road Runners had the canopy vinyl top, which was 2501 cars. It was available all year on RR's and after Feb. 71 for GTX's. Your car has the canopy roof and the roof strobe stripe, which is pretty cool.

I'm not seeing A36 on your tag, which was the only axle package available for 4-speed and AC together.
So you most likely have the standard 3.23 ratio. It could be open or Sure-Grip, because a standalone Sure-Grip won't show up on the fender tag.

N97 means your car has the California noise reduction package, which means turn-down exhaust pipes. However, most RR's came with turn-downs anyway, because the chrome tips were an option. (My 6-bbl. car didn't have them)

Don't forget to put the black stripes on the rear bumper. Many people aren't aware that they were included in the Road Runner Decor Group (A87)
Posted By: bob71rr

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 02:36 AM

reproducing build sheets is illegal, chrysler has a copyright or trademark of some kind on them. call galen govier of gts for a breakdown and letter of registry for a fee. i had a yellow 71 rr in 72 with the black canopy vinyl roof, in virginia. 383 auto. its the heads, crank, and cam from a 440 that makes it a hp motor, 71's were rated at 300 hp but that was after the the change in how hp was calculated in order to help with the crazy insurance costs. i'm restoring one now, if you need more info, email is rodee71@gmail.com. good luck, Bob
Posted By: 383man

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 02:43 AM

Wow Pat thats a very nice Runner. Great score for sure. Ron
Posted By: 71rm23

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 02:50 AM

Pat-My car had a build date of Oct, 14th 1970.
Posted By: gch

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 02:55 AM

Nice car!!Well worth a factory original resto.I have heard of people finding a build sheet above the gas tank as well on occasion.
Posted By: RM23V1

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 04:02 AM

The horsepower rating system didn't change from gross to net until 72.
In 71, Chrysler dropped the compression ratios on most engines so they would run on regular instead of premium. The 383 HP went from 9.5:1 to 8.5:1, and the horsepower went from 335 to 300.
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 05:09 AM

I'm gonna be spending some time looking around for another build sheet inside the car. I only looked under the back seat and found the remains of one but a rat or mouse got to it for nesting. I pulled the gas tank twice so i know its not there. As for the paint, I know about the stripes on the bumper. I think the vinyl with strobe stripe is very unique for a RR.
This car is an origional california car and it does have the turn down tips.
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 05:34 AM

Well guys that's a negative on a second build sheet. Checked underneath the shifter console, under the dash, behind the glove box, bottom cushions of the buckets, and the seat backs. The only place I didn't check was under the carpet which I would be surprised if they actually put one underneath it.
Posted By: Blown71X

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 03:53 PM

I`ll add a quick note, of the 3 St Louis built ( G in the VIN) 71`s i`ve owned, 2 of them had build sheets on top of the gas tank, the current one i`m doing is a Los Angeles build and did not which is too bad as the top of the tank looked like it was brand new.

Take the time to drop the tank and check.

Rick
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 04:13 PM

Mine doesn't have it above the gas tank. I pulled that gas tank out twice so far to flush and repair, so I know its not there.
Posted By: tak

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 04:49 PM

Nice find, here's my interior and reconstructed front applique.

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Posted By: QuickBpBp

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 04:49 PM

One last spot to check quickly is the transmission tunnel next to the console. I found one there,it was taped there then carpeted and console installed....
Posted By: tak

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 04:52 PM

another

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Posted By: tak

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 04:53 PM

last one

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Posted By: moparmatt

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 04:57 PM

You are now the proud owner of what many consider the best looking Mopar EVER designed!!
Posted By: tak

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 05:00 PM

agreed !

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Posted By: moparmatt

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 05:22 PM

Tak your 71' looks great! can you post more pics?
Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 05:37 PM

Pat: I have found build sheets under the carpet so you still have a chance. At least you have the data plate. Your car has cool options and it is definetly worthy of a proper restoration. That is a one year only colour and the other options just add to the desireability.

Sheldon
Posted By: tak

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 05:43 PM

Quote:

Tak your 71' looks great! can you post more pics?


I don't want to steal the post but I'll post a few more pics

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Posted By: tak

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 05:45 PM

ALL completely restored in the garage your seeing by me. Didn't do the engine machining and sewing of seats(of course) but that's it! 6-way seat brackets by the way!

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Posted By: tak

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 05:51 PM

one of the back

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Posted By: tak

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 05:53 PM

bottom, the sway bar was on the car when I bought it so I left it, original to the car? I don't know, no build sheet.

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Posted By: tak

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 05:54 PM

original grabber

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Posted By: tak

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 05:59 PM

I took these pics just for fun before I tore the 4 gear back out for a bad input bearing (Thanks Brewers for the new bearings)she'll be together soon.
This was built to drive, not to show so it's alittle dirty in the pics

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Posted By: Butterscotch71

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 07:31 PM

Looks like a nicely optioned car with lots of potential! By 71, a lot of runners were equipped with many of options, unlike the earlier years.
All 71 383 road runners were N code cars. It designated an HP 383 4bbl.
The canopy vinyl top was available the entire model year on road runners, made available mid year for GTX and others. Nothing especially rare about that on a runner. Also, the canopy vinyl and strobe stripe combination isn't especially rare.
What is not as common is the A/C and 4spd combo. Also odd is the combination of A/C, power steering, and manual drum brakes.
In addition to what was already mentioned, the A87 road runner decor package included hood indent pinstripes (V21), the 3 spoke delux steering wheel (your car has), the upper door panels you have, the strobe stripe, AND brite wheel opening mouldings. You'll most likely find the holes still there from where they were attached.
As mentioned previously, you'll want to visit the website in my signature. There are lots of 71 B Body guys hanging out there (it's dedicated to 71-74 Plymouth B bodies).
Posted By: CurYellowBird

Re: Help with my 71' roadrunner - 02/15/09 10:47 PM

I know these are some of the best looking mopars. The 71' roadrunner has always been my dream mopar to own, but I never thought I would stumble across one with so many diverse options. I'm going to paint it back to the origional curious yellow. The only thing i don't like about that color is that it has a lot more green to it than yellow.
I will definately keep searching for another build sheet. I might also contact the chrysler historical society and see what they can dig up as well.
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