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Gas, how old is to old?

Posted By: 469runner

Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 12:01 AM

I've got about 10 gallons of 2 year old gas in my Cuda. I put fuel stabilizer in when tank was full and then threw a little more in last summer when I realized I wouldn't be driving car last year.
Should I just top it off to dilute the old gas? Or, siphon tank dry and refill with fresh gas?

What does old gas do to an engine exactly, if anything? I did start the car for a minute and it started right up and idled smoothly. Didn't drive it though.
Posted By: whitemtnelf

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 12:10 AM

I've found that it turns to jelly and gums everything up. This was on lawn tractors that did have some stabilizer put in them at the end of the season. Even though gas is expensive I would chuck it.
Posted By: Pat_Whalen

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 12:18 AM

Not worth a carb rebuild
Posted By: ConvertiBee

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 12:24 AM

Smell it. Old gas really does smell rotten. That Sta-Bil fuel additive really does work, but the key is that it needs to be mixed in with the new gas... not added to already old gas.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 12:30 AM

I volunteered to mow this womans yard(with her mower)& the gas in the carb bowl was like dark brown tea & no go until I flushed it & it had only sat over the winter(~4 months).I was surprised it went bad that quick.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 12:46 AM


Along the same subject -- What is the best way to get all the gas out of a tank on our old cars?

A Siphon kit from the auto parts store? How can you be sure you got all the old gas out?

I have a car stored that I'd like to drain out before adding some new gas to, also.

Thanks!
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 01:23 AM

I suspended a small gas can to feed the carb & ran the fuel pump into a barrel & drained the tank that way then added several more gallons,swished it around & pumped it out also. I've used those cheap parts house siphons & they never work right. A siphon or hose might get to the very bottom of the tank but after swishing/draining the extra gas I was comfortable.
Posted By: gss

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 01:55 AM

If it was non-oxygenated gas and the engine in your cuda is not too radical, I would burn it up.
Posted By: 469runner

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 02:03 AM

OK, thank you for the help here. I went out to the garage and siphoned out the old gas with a little parts store pump. 11 gallons is what I got so I'm pretty sure I got most of it. It did smell a little "off", I had some 112 octane Torco here so I mixed that up with some fresh premium...I feel more confident driving it now. I'll burn the old gas in a mower or something. Maybe a Chevy!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 02:12 AM

How can you tell if the gas is "non-oxygenated" ?

Is it mainly by smell? I'm a little concerned about a car I have some older gas in ... but I couldn't smell anything abnormal when I took off the gas cap recently.

And if I pump out the old gas and it is bad ... should it look different?

Thanks for any tips!
Posted By: gss

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 04:08 AM

Quote:

How can you tell if the gas is "non-oxygenated" ?

Is it mainly by smell? I'm a little concerned about a car I have some older gas in ... but I couldn't smell anything abnormal when I took off the gas cap recently.

And if I pump out the old gas and it is bad ... should it look different?

Thanks for any tips!




You can tell by getting it from a pump that says "non-oxygenated" on it. Seriously, it is just the premium fuel with no ethanol in it. Maybe other parts of the country are different but that is how it is done in Minnesota. The blend fuels seem to deteriorate rapidly because of the ethanol in them. If there is an obvious bad smell or appearance, then I would not use it, at least not in something I care about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 01:18 PM

Ok, thanks for the explanation! I had not heard that term before. I'm in California, so will check this weekend when I go to the pump.

If I think I might have run some older gas (year or two) through my car recently, is there anything I can do to head off trouble? Like adding a fuel additive, such as Gumout, STP, etc?

Thanks!
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 01:43 PM

Quote:

I'll burn the old gas in a mower or something. Maybe a Chevy!


yours or someone elses
Posted By: Pauls69

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 02:50 PM

i've been burning 5 YO gas in my mower that i've siphoned out of an old tank. the gas was treated w/ stabil before storage, but the mower runs fine. it ran so well that i've also been putting ~1 gallon in my daily driver in between every fill-up.
Posted By: 68HemiB

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 03:57 PM

Quote:

Ok, thanks for the explanation! I had not heard that term before. I'm in California, so will check this weekend when I go to the pump.




I have nothing to add about stabilizers not previously said.

Looking at a gas pump in California this weekend will tell you nothing about whether gas bought previously contains oxygenates or not. Oxygenated gas is sold in [most of] California during the winter months - November through February. The AQMD sets the counties affected, and unless you live way out in the sticks, your local gas station will be selling oxygenated gas during the cold months. Previously, the additive of choice was the wonderful MTBE. Now, they use other additives.

It's when you bought the gas.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Gas, how old is too old? - 05/30/08 05:01 PM

Ok, thanks for the clarification on that. I usually learn more from these postings than from reading the newspaper!

Have any of you guys tried products like Gumout, etc Fuel System Cleaners? Does this stuff have any real benefit to our classic Mopar's fuel system? Does it cause any harm?

Thanks!
Posted By: Lee446

Re: Gas, how old is too old? - 05/30/08 05:23 PM

Most gasoline fuels are blended for an average shelf life of three months. Ethanol attracts water and that does not help, so the humidity in your area can have an effect, YMMV. Stabil works pretty well. I have found that old fuel gets a varnish smell to it, and at that point, I would drain it. Setting a car up for storage means draining all fuel or at the least, adding a stabilizer and topping off the tank so there is no room for condensation to develop.
Posted By: A_Roldan

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/30/08 07:16 PM

I have about 7 gallons of old gas out of my 69 Coronet that I can't seem to get rid of. I drained the tank when I first got the car. The tank was rusted out and the gas smelled like varnish (and stunk up the garage). There wasn't much guessing the gas was bad though. The smell was very obvious.

If anyone wants it, you can come get it (Schaumburg, IL). Otherwise I have to wait until next month (June) when they collect hazardous waste in my area. The fire dept. won't take it and neither will any auto supply or "quick oil change" in my area... and I don't have a lawn mower. We have landscapers.
Posted By: MoPar Jamie

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/31/08 05:26 AM

I pumped out 15 or so gallons out of a Truck tank and ran it in my '88 TBI-Injected daily driver D-100. Ran fine. The gas didnt smell bad or anything, smelled like gasoline.
Posted By: Lawn Monkey

Re: Gas, how old is to old? - 05/31/08 09:46 AM

I just syphoed out about 5 gallons of old gas and to get read of it I put it out side in 2 big open pans and about 2 or 3 weeks later it was all evaporated away totally ,,,,,,,,, on the rainy days I put a sheet of plywood over it seemed to work good for me but I was real nervous that somebody might flick a cigerette and start a inferno real glad its all gone its hard to get rid of old gas cause nobody in my area will take it.......
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