46RH trans/governor question

Posted By: Genuinejed

46RH trans/governor question - 01/28/09 01:27 AM

I'm rebuilding a 46RH out of a 1995 Jeep with a 5.2L motor. I was cleaning the Governor and noticed that the small inner governor weight is mushroomed where it looks like it has been beating against the output shaft of the trans. I had to grind the inner weight to remove it from the outer weight. I haven't ran into anything that seems too out of the ordinary yet. I am going to replace the weights, but I was wondering if anyone has an idea of what would cause this damage. Thanks in advance!

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Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/28/09 02:09 PM

its from the governer working back and forth I dont think I have ever taken 1 apart that didnt have that to some extendt and we do a lot of them and it doesnt seem to effect anything

Posted By: Genuinejed

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/28/09 04:03 PM

Thanks for the response. This is my first time rebuilding a 500/518 so I wanted to make sure it wasn't part of a bigger issue.

Posted By: Dodgem

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/28/09 08:25 PM

One question for you how hard was it to disassemble
the over drive stuff and the rear clutch pack and reassemble with that big spring???

Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/28/09 09:06 PM

If the inner weight is made of aluminum it's not uncommon to see them peened over, many replace them with a steel part.

Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/29/09 01:27 AM

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If the inner weight is made of aluminum it's not uncommon to see them peened over, many replace them with a steel part.

doesnt seem to mater what material I see the steel ones peened over like that all the time also

Posted By: Genuinejed

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/29/09 02:08 AM

I just bought a good used governor and am going to put the overdrive the rest of the way together. The overdrive portion has a lot of parts, but if you have done transmissions, it's pretty strait forward. The spring is pretty stout. I used an arbor press to compress it.

Posted By: Dodgem

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/29/09 03:42 AM

Thanks . maybe doing one soon!

Posted By: 70AARcuda

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/29/09 03:52 AM

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Thanks . maybe doing one soon!

did a 518/46rh last year...just got done with a 500/42rh finally...

got a 518/46re from a friends 96 ram that we are going to do next week.

overdrive is pretty simple..i invested in a few tools and they have paid for themselves already.

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/29/09 02:20 PM

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Thanks . maybe doing one soon!

there is a special tool made to compress the spring and access the retaining ring and you need an alignment tool to keep the internal splines in alignment while doing it , I got them from miller spx , not that expensive .

Posted By: dodge_nut

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/29/09 07:42 PM

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Thanks . maybe doing one soon!

there is a special tool made to compress the spring and access the retaining ring and you need an alignment tool to keep the internal splines in alignment while doing it , I got them from miller spx , not that expensive .

it is alot easier to emplace the OD unit with the intermediate shaft in place onto the press and slowly/gently remove the (fully seated) intermediate shaft out of the unit and then press the OD unit and emplace the retainer rings to lock it into place.

the reason being is that the Miller alignment tool does not have the circular piece cast into the end of it that fits into the lower bushing on the OD unit. If the alignment is off, just a smidgeon, you may think you have the entire thing lined up.. assemble your tailshaft housing, mate it up to the primary housing and attempt to assemble your trans, just to find out the intermediate shaft will not seat the entire way down. Hence, the rear drum rear planetary set will not seat fully and every other piece will be out of whack from there on.

I am sure other trans guys have other remedies to this situation, but every OD unit I have done, I have done it this way and absolutely have had no fitment issues whatsoever. IOW, I have made the miller alignment tool into a paperweight.

Posted By: 68KillerBee

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/29/09 07:45 PM

How many hours would you say it would take to rebuild a trans on a 96 318 4x4 1500? Mine is slipping into 2nd. Have rebuilt a a833 4 speed. But i hear this is a whole new animal. Also what all tools do you guys use. thanks

Posted By: dodge_nut

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/29/09 07:51 PM

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How many hours would you say it would take to rebuild a trans on a 96 318 4x4 1500? Mine is slipping into 2nd. Have rebuilt a a833 4 speed. But i hear this is a whole new animal. Also what all tools do you guys use. thanks

I would say 8 hours total.. and that is cleaning every part by hand and the total disassembly and cleaning of the valve body. That is taking your time, lubing every component appropriately and following the complete torque sequence for each and every bolt/nut/screw.

Tools needed: front clutch piston compressor, snap ring pliers, OD unit compression tool, press, small flathead screwdriver, c-clamps, long/needle nose pliers. (what is nice to have is a 727/904 transmission mount so that you can work on the trans in a stable environment, but is not needed).

Lubricants needed: transmission lube (or vaseline), loctite, liquid pipe thread, dexron III/ATF+4

others please chime in

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/29/09 08:26 PM

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Thanks . maybe doing one soon!

there is a special tool made to compress the spring and access the retaining ring and you need an alignment tool to keep the internal splines in alignment while doing it , I got them from miller spx , not that expensive .

it is alot easier to emplace the OD unit with the intermediate shaft in place onto the press and slowly/gently remove the (fully seated) intermediate shaft out of the unit and then press the OD unit and emplace the retainer rings to lock it into place.

the reason being is that the Miller alignment tool does not have the circular piece cast into the end of it that fits into the lower bushing on the OD unit. If the alignment is off, just a smidgeon, you may think you have the entire thing lined up.. assemble your tailshaft housing, mate it up to the primary housing and attempt to assemble your trans, just to find out the intermediate shaft will not seat the entire way down. Hence, the rear drum rear planetary set will not seat fully and every other piece will be out of whack from there on.

I am sure other trans guys have other remedies to this situation, but every OD unit I have done, I have done it this way and absolutely have had no fitment issues whatsoever. IOW, I have made the miller alignment tool into a paperweight.

thanks , I didn't notice that aboutthe shaft , sounds like something that could be easily remedied on the tool though .

I got lucky i guess when I did mine .

Posted By: Genuinejed

Re: 46RH trans/governor question - 01/31/09 09:46 PM

I used the intermediate shaft trick to align the od sprag hub and planetary, too. I used a piece of tubing over the intermediate shaft in the press to compress the return spring and install the clutch pack. I'm not and expert, but I've rebuilt my share of transmissions. The 518 internals are very similar to the 727 and I haven't found it much more difficult to work on.