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383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo?

Posted By: TonyS451

383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/10/09 07:57 PM

Might want to add a few go fast mods to the 383 in my 62 Newport. The cam I m looking at is MP 4452993 .474 lift, 238@.050 110lsa. Was also leaning toward a Performer RPM intake and 750 Holley, and maybe steel shim head gaskets for a little added compression. Planning to run a 3.73 or 3.91 rear and stock converter. I'm sure a little more converter would be better overall, but this is going to be on a budget just to have a little extra fun vs the stock 383 while I gather parts for something bigger.

Anyone else running this cam and did you find it to work OK with the stock converter? Years back I ran a MP 284/484 with stock converter in it was a little weak getting up to speed. Thanks, Tony
Posted By: Pacnorthcuda

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/10/09 08:07 PM

I ran that cam (474/280) in a low compression 73 440, 70 Cuda, 727 stock converter 3.55 gears.
Its a great cam, but old school. I was worried about the stock converter too, but it turned out fine. Lotsa low end grunt. The 484 cam is different animal, and a lot of people have tried it and gone to something else.

You can get more 'area under the curve' from a more modern grind, like a lunati voodoo, or a comp, but if is old school MP you want thats a good street cam.
Posted By: GTX MATT

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/10/09 08:34 PM

I think its a real good cam for a mild 440. If youve got decent compression it should work well if youre going to use 3.91s. Stock stall is a little low for a 383.

RPM intake and 750 Holley sound good for it, I think it will run pretty darn good. What heads are on it?
Posted By: TonyS451

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/10/09 09:03 PM

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You can get more 'area under the curve' from a more modern grind, like a lunati voodoo, or a comp, but if is old school MP you want thats a good street cam.




Thanks and I agree there are probably better cams out there, but this is a budget deal and not necessarily looking for every last pony if you know what I mean. I'm actually building a 512 for this car but don't think I'll have everything ready this year. In the meantime I just want to make this 383 a little more peppy.

GTX MATT - the heads are stock 452's with no port work and stock valve size.
Posted By: GTX MATT

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/10/09 09:20 PM

Is the 383 rebuilt, original, or what? If its original is it a '68-'71?
Posted By: TonyS451

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/10/09 09:31 PM

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Is the 383 rebuilt, original, or what? If its original is it a '68-'71?


Good question. I was told it was a "late 60's" 383 and the heads were changed to 452's to use todays fuels. To be honest, I have not so much as pulled the aircleaner off, let alone a valve cover, so I can't really confirm anything. I can however confirm that it runs good, doesn't smoke or tick and holds good oil pressure. I was told the heads were recently rebuilt. I have no clue what compression ratio, but my guess fwiw is 9-1, maybe less.
Posted By: gch

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/10/09 09:41 PM

I have one sitting here I want to run in a 400 if I ever get the chance to do a copy of my first mopar.
I also ran one with a low comp 440 with a rpm intake,750 vacuum holley and 3.55's with the stock low stall.It was a pretty decent setup and ran well.With the stock converter and the 3.73 or 3.91 I think it will pull hard and won't take too long to get into the powerband.
Old school still rocks!!
Posted By: GTX MATT

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/10/09 10:24 PM

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Is the 383 rebuilt, original, or what? If its original is it a '68-'71?


Good question. I was told it was a "late 60's" 383 and the heads were changed to 452's to use todays fuels. To be honest, I have not so much as pulled the aircleaner off, let alone a valve cover, so I can't really confirm anything. I can however confirm that it runs good, doesn't smoke or tick and holds good oil pressure. I was told the heads were recently rebuilt. I have no clue what compression ratio, but my guess fwiw is 9-1, maybe less.




Id check the numbers. If its an early (pre-68) engine Id look at another cam, your compression will be absolutely terrible. Maybe even in the 7s. If its a '68 and later engine 9:1 is a decent guess.
Posted By: ademon

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/10/09 10:37 PM

I like the Vodoo 220/226 @.050 475/494 @112cl on my stock 383rr, with 915's and 9.7cr. lots of vacuum for PB, pulls hard on the low to mid range, buddy with a mostly stock 70 440 cuda was surprised how it kept up with him. I was very carfull not to give in to the bigger is better cam picking, especially with the 383.
Posted By: Chi_Town_Runner

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/10/09 10:57 PM

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Id check the numbers. If its an early (pre-68) engine Id look at another cam, your compression will be absolutely terrible. Maybe even in the 7s.




I Agree. I had a '67 383 with 906 heads (I know, open chamber, another problem). I put that cam in and the car was a dog. It idled nice but had no power, even with a 4-speed and 3:91 gears. Pistons on pre '68 383s are way down in the hole.

Easy chack, look at the pad just in front of the passenger side head. If it's A, B, or C, don't bother. Just my

Good Luck,
Frank
Posted By: Pool Fixer

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/10/09 11:17 PM

I'm running one in my 440,68 charger. I ran a 13.094 with it at the track with 3.55's, 2800 converter, way too tall hoosier street slicks (had tread) 10:1, 1 3/4 headers, performer rpm, eps750 edelbrock carb, MP electronic ign. kit with orange box.

I pretty much set the initial timing and never touched the carb, dist curve. If I even came close to knowing how to do any of that, I might have gotten her into the twelves that day.
Posted By: aarcuda

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/10/09 11:17 PM

i put that cam in a 360 and its a dog too
Posted By: 383man

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/11/09 02:24 AM

Tony I ran that cam in a 340 Dart years ago. It was a 1970 version 340 and I rebuilt it all stock but with that cam. I added headers with an Eddy dual plane intake and a 650 DP. I threw the car together for my girlfriend at the time and I had a stock 318 version 904 tranny with the stock converter and 4.10's in the 8-1/4 rear. The car ran great as it had good low end and would spin the tires from a 15 mph roll. It ran 13.40's @ 105 the one time I ook it to the track. I really like that cam. Ron
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/11/09 03:12 AM

run that cam in 68 383 coronet. best of 13.5@105 with stock converter.
Posted By: Chris2581

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/11/09 05:12 AM

We have ran the old street hemi grind cam in the 383 with GREAT results.The old specs are 284° 471I/474E.It's a very good cam to use.
Posted By: Hoof Hearted

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/11/09 05:45 AM

I had it in my 70 RR, 383, 4 spd, 3:55, Performer RPM, Really lacking in the low end...

Keep searching; Go anything Voo Doo / lunati...

also hadrefurbished heads w/ big valves from aero heads. Bigger valves couldv'e been problem.
Posted By: BSB67

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/11/09 02:02 PM

I still have that cam in my 383 GTS, and really like it in my application. It ran low 13s at about 107 w/ full exhaust and G70 14s and a slipping clutch.

However, I have a 3.91, good CR and cylinder pressure, Rhodes lifters, 4 speed, 1 5/8" under chassie headers, and of course it is lighter than yours. I think that my application is different enough from yours and that puts me on the fence for recommending this cam in your application. With your weight, gear, converter, and cyl. pressure (I'm guessing that it is low), I would probably go a little smaller.

If you are leaning toward a MP cam, I would consider the 272* cam. This cam is usally overlooked, probably because it is so close to stock based on the numbers. I've run this cam in my Charger before I put in the new motor, and it ran 12.90s regularly at about 108 (exhaust manifolds, 3.23, and stock converter)
Posted By: TonyS451

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/11/09 04:03 PM

Thanks for the input and posting your combos. The engine is a '67 383. Not sure of the compression, but I can only imagine with the open chambered heads its not good. I also have no idea if/when the engine has been rebuilt, so I can only assume they are stock slugs. It "looks" like it has been worked on, or at least painted on not too long ago.

I can always mill the heads for some compression, but thats about as much as I care to invest into this engine. On a side note, what happened to the MP steel shim head gaskets? Can't seem to find them anywhere, but then I found Summit has them listed for almost $200 dollars. Didn't they used to cost like $20 bucks?
Posted By: GTX MATT

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/11/09 04:10 PM

Oh boy, I hate to say it but youre going to have to change those heads if you want any power. You can probably get someone with a set of usable 516 closed chambers to trade you or sell yours to buy a pair. You will loose some flow but youre really going to need that compression, its going to be terrible.
Either that or have yours milled to about 80 CC, which is doable, youre just going to have to have the intake side machined as well.

I also like the 272 cam mentioned before, when I had my GTX it had a purpleshaft in it and Im not 100% sure which one but I beleive it was the 272 because it idled pretty tame. TONS of low end torque, half throttle and the tires were TOAST.
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/11/09 10:16 PM

MP's supplier said they didn't want to make those steel shim gaskets anymore. It went out for requote and took off like a lead balloon....none of MP's supply base is interested in making them. Volume must be too low or something? MP then superseded them to a thin Cometic, and that's why the price went way up.

That said, Mancini is looking into having the steel shims made again independantly of Mopar but I'm not sure where they are at in that process.

If you're absolutely, definitely going to run a 3.91 gear the .474 won't disappoint you. Any less gear than that, and I'd use the 272/455 cam instead.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/11/09 10:33 PM

napa lists the shim online. Doesn't mean they have them but they are listed.
Posted By: topbrent

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/11/09 10:52 PM

We had one in a low comp 383. Our 75 dodge truck is probably the same weight as your newport

Performer RPM, good exhaust, good ignition. Bowl Ported 906 heads.

Doggiest engine ever. Gas pig. No torque.

We learned some good lessons because of that cam though, such as:

- Have a modern lobe profile cam ground up, or use one an off the shelf comp XE. Small hughes, Bullet/ultradyne/,voodoo, whatever...

- Low comp 383's aren't for heavy vehicles.

If it were me...I'd pass on the MP

Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/11/09 11:27 PM

I ran one in my 70 Challenger. Stock 383HP convertor, stock intake and exhaust system, true 9.5 compression, cam degreed in. I didn't like it, not much performance IMO, I think it would have run better with the stock cam.

Sheldon
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/12/09 01:10 AM

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Thanks for the input and posting your combos. The engine is a '67 383. Not sure of the compression, but I can only imagine with the open chambered heads its not good. I also have no idea if/when the engine has been rebuilt, so I can only assume they are stock slugs. It "looks" like it has been worked on, or at least painted on not too long ago.

I can always mill the heads for some compression, but thats about as much as I care to invest into this engine. On a side note, what happened to the MP steel shim head gaskets? Can't seem to find them anywhere, but then I found Summit has them listed for almost $200 dollars. Didn't they used to cost like $20 bucks?




I'll sell you mine for half that!(not $20)

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Posted By: Blackwidow69

Re: 383 with MP .474 cam - anyone running this combo? - 01/12/09 03:57 AM

I think if it is a budget deal and you do not already own the 474 then you should look at the summit cams. I think the larger of the 2 summit cams is still smaller than the 474 and will work better in your setup.
Todd
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