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1971 Challenger data plate info

Posted By: l13

1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/11/15 06:55 PM

Looking for a definitive answer to what does the letter "M" in the "Order Number" on the broadcast sheet designate? The VIN is JH23H1B1002xx

Order Number is 802/M00126 This number is also on one of the data plates.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/11/15 07:04 PM

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Looking for a definitive answer to what does the letter "M" in the "Order Number" on the broadcast sheet designate? The VIN is JH23H1B1002xx

Order Number is 802/M00126 This number is also on one of the data plates.




802 is the Scheduled Production Date. Date is was "scheduled" to be made. Many times not the actual date. And many time not very close to actual date.

Vehicle Order Numbers are somewhat of a mystery. Not sure if anyone has definitive factory decoding information on those. But there is some deductive reasoning that is solid and some not so solid to explaining if there are meaning behind certain prefix's and number sequences.

All that said. Your challenger has a low vin and early SPD. I think there are some clues to VON's starting with M.

With the early VIN and SPD, possibility of Pilot car. But need more info to solidify that. Some have said they have seen sunroof cars have M VON's, but most say G is for Sunroof cars.

Here's a list of what MMC Detroit believes the VON's stand for: http://www.mmcdetroit.com/VON/

There are people here on Moparts that may have better information than that on certain models and years, that may help you more.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/11/15 08:29 PM

MMC shows:
M0**** Y16 SALES BANK/SHOW CAR (but every "M0xxxx" VON is NOT a "SHOW CAR", they are all "SALES BANK")

801 SPD = "PILOT" car (pre-production)
802 SPD = "SHOW" car (often referred to as "PROMO")

Chrysler Corp. called them "DEALER ANNOUNCEMENT UNIT"

Is it EV2 - "HEMI orange metallic"? Does it have a SHAKER hood? Is N96 on the fender tag? Broadcast sheet would indicate when it was built, it wasn't 802 (Sunday August 2, 1970).
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/11/15 11:24 PM

Typically the cars early in the year with M VONs are Show Car/ Sales Bank units. Usually used for car shows, advertising photos or some other promotional use.

Later on the year an M just meant Sales Bank - Y16.

The letters always tie in to the Y codes, so what are the Y codes on your broadcast sheet?
Posted By: l13

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/12/15 10:50 PM

Thank you to those that have responded. Looks like the information
submitted by you readers is nearly the same. Appears the car was a show car for a dealership early on. It is an early build car. The seller was the original owner family I purchased it from 7 Yrs ago. They indicated it was promoted in the Seattle Time and Post Intelligencer news papers by the dealership as the new style Dodge Challenger. Although they were able to purchase the car they had to agree to allow 2 dealerships to use the car in their show rooms for 10 days each before they could get possession of it.
It appears they used the car to promote both features of the SE and RT.

Unfortunately they did not get a copy of the newspaper ads. The car is not an RT however it has a lot of the RT options and other add on's i.e.: 340- 4bbl/automatic,26" radiator, 15" Rally wheels, P/S,Power front disc brakes, vinyl top, luggage rack, hounds tooth interior, console, Rally dash, light package, dual exhaust/tips, sway bars, wood grain steering wheel.
Color is FJ6 Green with 6J stripe.
Very nice original car and the "Y" code is 16 as you folks noted. There is also a "U" in the "Y" box under "Build for U-C-I"

Thanks again all for the help.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/12/15 11:29 PM

The U is 'Built for US sale'.

At the end of line two on your broadcast sheet, is anything stamped in the 'Y Misc.' box?
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/13/15 07:04 AM

A Challenger 340 Formal Roof Package (A78 code) car.

Extremely cool factor car that makes you think. Awesome car! Green Go paint with bright green wide strip w/o R/T on it.

IIRC, there was a "Barn Find" FJ6 green stripe Challenger 340 picture and short story in a magazine years ago. Mopar Muscle I think?

Could you post pictures of it? It should be a really striking looking car.
Posted By: l13

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/13/15 08:53 PM

Hello all,
In reply to the question of: Is there anything stamped in the "Y" box on line 2.
No nothing in the "Y" box;.
Posted By: l13

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/13/15 10:44 PM

Cannot get the photo's to post here. If anyone is interested in the photos of the car send your email address and I will forward a couple to you.
Thanks folks
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/13/15 11:18 PM

S W E E T ! ! !

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Posted By: Grizzly

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/13/15 11:29 PM

Yes, I think someone filled out the order sheet on that thing in good taste.

Oh, those '71 Challengers, they sure ring the bell.
Posted By: 1971 Gran Coupe

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/13/15 11:42 PM

Cool looking car!!!! I have a 340 71 RT that is very, very close to the Vin. It has to be related, LOL. Can't quite tell for sure, as the last three digits are covered. Mine is similar to the Jh23H1B100xxx that what the tag might be.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 12:06 AM

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Yes, I think someone filled out the order sheet on that thing in good taste.

Oh, those '71 Challengers, they sure ring the bell.



Like I thought...

A flat out striking looking car.

That would be a very cool car to take to show and just listen to passer-by's. That car will completely fake out most Mopar people.

Most will think:
  • It's a R/T.
  • It's a S/E
  • The stripe is wrong color or aftermarket
  • The stripe is missing the R/T letters.
  • Someone took off the dual scoop hood.
  • Someone put a 340 in a 318 car since it's got a flat hood

And all those things are incorrect. The car would really educate people on 71 Challenger's that are willing to learn and listen.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 12:08 AM

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Cool looking car!!!! I have a 340 71 RT that is very, very close to the Vin. It has to be related, LOL. Can't quite tell for sure, as the last three digits are covered. Mine is similar to the Jh23H1B100xxx that what the tag might be.



Originally from Washington area too?

What's the VON and fender tag look like on yours?

JH23H1B100xxx would be a Challenger like this FJ6 one, not Challenger R/T. JH = Challenger. JS = Challenger R/T
Posted By: moparwizard

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 01:10 AM

one that went to Canada

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Posted By: l13

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 01:30 AM

Hi folks,
First I want to thank 6bblgt for helping me by posting the photo's for me. I was not able to get them to post, guess I'm too old to know how to effectively complete some of this download stuff.

The VON is 802 and the VIN ends in 1002XX
The last two digits are fairly low as well.6bblgt blanked the last 3 out for me(thanks for doing that)

Thanks to all of you for the positive comments on what the car is. I had considered selling it to help defray the cost of a newer 392 hemi Shaker Challenger but am finding it hard to let this one go. I do like the car color except for the stripe. You might imagine my dismay when the stripe arrived. I looked up the stripe color from the code on the build sheet and found it is Chartreuse. I had not realized what that color really was until it arrived. Double checked the code and was correct so I thought the supplier must have made a fatal error but not to be. My first thoughts after installation were this stripe is uglier than my sister. Now several years later I am Okay with it. I guess old age mellows us out some.
Posted By: hemicar1971

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 02:16 AM

Really how could you sell a 1971 Challenger that looks like your car. New Challengers don't have the WOW feeling when looking at this 1971 Challenger. People would kill to have that color with that color of stripe on a Challenger.

Mccannix also bought a 340 1971 Challenger flat hood car new. He owned it for about 3 to 4 weeks until the car was kind of rearranged. I like that sleeper look with the flat hood. My 1971 Convertible Challenger has a flat hood and I kind of like it. I guess I am tired of every E Body having a Shaker hood.

Thanks for Posting those Pictures Dan.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 02:19 AM

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Hi folks,
First I want to thank 6bblgt for helping me by posting the photo's for me. I was not able to get them to post, guess I'm too old to know how to effectively complete some of this download stuff.

The VON is 802 and the VIN ends in 1002XX
The last two digits are fairly low as well.6bblgt blanked the last 3 out for me(thanks for doing that)

Thanks to all of you for the positive comments on what the car is. I had considered selling it to help defray the cost of a newer 392 hemi Shaker Challenger but am finding it hard to let this one go. I do like the car color except for the stripe. You might imagine my dismay when the stripe arrived. I looked up the stripe color from the code on the build sheet and found it is Chartreuse. I had not realized what that color really was until it arrived. Double checked the code and was correct so I thought the supplier must have made a fatal error but not to be. My first thoughts after installation were this stripe is uglier than my sister. Now several years later I am Okay with it. I guess old age mellows us out some.



Did it not have a stripe on it when you got it?

The green stripe MAKES that car.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 02:59 AM

Do you have a scan of the broadcast sheet? Stripe codes normally show up on the tags, but I do not see it there.
Posted By: Grizzly

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 04:34 AM

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Most will think:
  • It's a R/T.
  • It's a S/E
  • The stripe is wrong color or aftermarket
  • The stripe is missing the R/T letters.
  • Someone took off the dual scoop hood.
  • Someone put a 340 in a 318 car since it's got a flat hood

And all those things are incorrect. The car would really educate people on 71 Challenger's that are willing to learn and listen.



And here's that car, Steve, but with a twist (and coded for it): Hard to see but, white stripes. He claims 1 of 1.

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Posted By: Grizzly

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 04:35 AM

Interior:

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Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 05:09 AM

Something odd, screwy, hiccup happened when the '71 "PILOT" & "PROMO" cars were spec'd out & eventually VIN'd (the VINs are all over the place). OPTIONS on tag that aren't there and vice-versa. The well known "curious yellow" 440+6 "PROMO" 'Cudas also have "issues" - most do NOT have N96 - "SHAKER hood" on the fender tag.

The above car M00126 has FJ6/V1W/H5XX/V6J on the b'cast sheet. The '71 Challenger "PROMO" cars also seem to be one offs, not 10+ of the same car, unlike most other known "PROMOs".

Here's the "wildest" '71 Challenger "PROMO" car I know of.

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Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 05:18 AM

I own BH23C1B100121 it's a /6 3-spd "PILOT" Barracuda - I believe this is it pictured in the "Parts Catalog".

It appears to have been built ~April of 1970.

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Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 05:27 AM

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one that went to Canada



810 SPD = "normal" production
Posted By: hemicar1971

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 05:56 AM

Test or Pilot cars are hard to nail down the SPD build date with the E Body build. Just when would Chrysler decide to start pilots for 1971 E Bodies when the plant was running the TAs and AARs, the Shaker Hood change and who knows what else. Only one plant likely would of run all the pilots, Hamtr. The plant was less than a year into E Body production and trying to make build changes would of been a huge effort with all the other stuff going on. End of April might of been a good time to start running some pilots after the other stuff had hit production for a while and problems solved with those builds. Dan how did you come up with the Pilot dates. Did any Employees ever contribute to these dates. Were I work Pilots can run up to 5 years before there production year but usually 2 years is the start.

That White Challenger with the White stripe, you have to wonder why. The Black roof and white car the stripe contrast should of been black but this is what makes a Chrysler special.

I love all these flat hoods with the Hood Pin option on all these early Challengers.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 09:46 AM

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Dan how did you come up with the Pilot dates. Did any Employees ever contribute to these dates.



dates are based on remaining dated components - seat belts, glass, & gauge cluster
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 09:53 AM

back to JH23H1B1002xx
25 OPTIONS & approximately $4400 M.S.R.P. (destination included)

It has CA emissions - so it probably started its "SHOW" career in California.

The best one & they were probably NEVER on the car 15" W23 cast aluminum "ROAD" wheels - first car I've seen spec'd for them.

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Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 09:56 AM

Don't know if they even exist - anyone ever see them? Dodge PIB 7/28/70 CANCELLED

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Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 10:05 AM

I'll "ASSUME" this is them on the Diamante are those "MOTOR WHEEL" center caps?

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Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 10:05 AM

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back to JH23H1B1002xx
24 OPTIONS & approximately $4400 M.S.R.P. (destination included)

It has CA emissions - so it probably started its "SHOW" career in California.

The best one & they were probably NEVER on the car 15" W23 cast aluminum "ROAD" wheels - first car I've seen spec'd for them.



I don't see A78 on the tag is it coded on the sheet. Isn't that normally on a tag? Or is that one of the things missing on this early car?

Would be interesting to see the engine assembly date, k-member date and unique 71 items.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 10:33 AM

It's not a formal roof A78/SE car.

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Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 10:40 AM

it is: A01, A62, B41, B51, C16, H5-C55, D32, E55, FJ6, G15, G36, J41, J45, J46, M25, M85, M91, N95, R11, S77, V1W, V6J, U82, W23, & W34 25 OPTIONS

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Posted By: 1971 Gran Coupe

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 10:19 PM

That looks like the original plate that was issued when the car was new. Gotta run, but will be back later to share some info of my JS 340/RT.
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/14/15 11:28 PM

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That looks like the original plate that was issued when the car was new. Gotta run, but will be back later to share some info of my JS 340/RT.



Very cool.

Would be interesting if these cars from same area and close vin's are connected in some way.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/15/15 12:43 AM

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one that went to Canada



810 SPD = "normal" production



I MIGHT HAVE JUMPED THE GUN ON THIS ONE See "hiccup" post earlier in the thread.
Got any more info and/or pics? What hood is on the car? Is the VON correct?

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Posted By: moparwizard

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/15/15 02:03 AM

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one that went to Canada



810 SPD = "normal" production



I MIGHT HAVE JUMPED THE GUN ON THIS ONE See "hiccup" post earlier in the thread.
Got any more info and/or pics? What hood is on the car? Is the VON correct?



N96 on broadcast sheet along with correct shaker upper rad hose part number.
Posted By: Furyman

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/15/15 04:25 AM

I thought 773 was B52138.I think thats a BC car...had a shaker on it in 2006 when it was in Texas.
The Canadian 802 cars order #'s are B99...
Whats the earliest 71 J Vin known ?.Lowest I've seen is 139.
I know we are talking J's but a customer of mine out west aquired
BS23N1B100020 completely fubared been a local circle track car.Was EL5
..it would have been a B99 order # for sure.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/15/15 04:43 AM

JS23N1B100156 is the lowest VIN'd "J" I know of.

Restorations by Julius had a car similar to 1B100773 (probably the same car, but I don't recall the CANADA spec. part ) ~10 years ago.

Here's an eBay auction picture of JH23H1B100773 from 2010.

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Posted By: YYZ

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/15/15 04:54 AM

I owned 139 for a time, it is now owned by another member here. 802 SPD on the tag

JH23H1B car, 340 3-speed stick, EV2, V1X, wide chrome, louvers, rocker mouldings, partial SE trim, standard dash with clock. Sold new in Vancouver, BC IIRC

Another member has 140 - identically equipped, sold new in Saskatchewan
Posted By: Furyman

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/15/15 04:55 AM

JH23H1B100139 B99166
JH27N1B100149 B99176
JS23N1B100156 B99183
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/15/15 04:59 AM

Any sheets exist from those "PROMO" cars? What's the "SEQUENCE NUMBER"?
Posted By: Furyman

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/15/15 05:07 AM

Never seen any early BCS but I have 156 as having sequence # 2/001086.
Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/15/15 05:23 AM

Anyone have any info on the EL5 HEMI Challenger R/T "PILOT"? VIN? tag?
Posted By: 1971 Gran Coupe

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/15/15 05:40 AM

Made it back from taking the wife to dinner!!
VIN# JS23H1B1008xx
VON 810024805

I picked the car up in the late 90's on one of my many visits to the Portland Swap Meet. The car has 1970 doors and window regulators and a 70 trunk pan as well. It is in need of a restoration and will probably be up for sale to fund some other priority projects, LOL.

I have misplaced the fender tag, but still have the BCS. It does not have anywhere near the options as the very nice green car from the original poster. It has the same spd as the car that went to Canada, and would be cool to find out more about it. For some reason it has a stripe delete code if i read the sheet right. Maybe Dan can chime in some more about it, as I tried to post the BCS, but could't find the right process. Dan did say that the car is 60 units apart on line 2 from the original car.

Being from Washington, I know for a fact that has to be the original plate issued. Back then plates that started with an "A" were from King County, "B" was Pierce County, "C" was Spokane County. Not sure where "D" was from but would have been the 4th most populated county at the time.

Hope this helps with some questions you guys have.

I would like to have that green car if it is ever on the market!!!


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Cool looking car!!!! I have a 340 71 RT that is very, very close to the Vin. It has to be related, LOL. Can't quite tell for sure, as the last three digits are covered. Mine is similar to the Jh23H1B100xxx that what the tag might be.



Originally from Washington area too?

What's the VON and fender tag look like on yours?

JH23H1B100xxx would be a Challenger like this FJ6 one, not Challenger R/T. JH = Challenger. JS = Challenger R/T

Posted By: YYZ

Re: 1971 Challenger data plate info - 01/15/15 01:17 PM

139 had a BCS, though I don't have any copies with me in the city. Perhaps the current owner will post up, or m46rat could send a scan
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