Posted By: AdventurerSport
Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/18/14 09:02 PM
Thinking about adding a Mopar CAI to my 2011 Ram 1500. I have the CAI on my Mopar '10 Challenger and I like the looks and sound, thinking that I would like to do this upgrade to my Ram as well.
Mopar Performance claims 10hp increase as well as an increase in gas mileage. Just wondering if anyone has done that and is there a true advantage or just hype? Just curious as to whether it's worth the price...thanks!
JS
Posted By: Kern Dog
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/18/14 09:15 PM
Mopar Muscle magazine did a test on a series of these kits. They tested on an LX Charger or a LC Challenger. The cheapest kit actually made the most HP gain. The brand was Spectre. It looked sorta cheap compared to the others but it performad best. I don't recall the specifics but it did add just shy of 18 HP to the rear wheels.
I added a K and N jit to my 2007 Ram when it was new. It mostly increased the sound. I don't know if adding 18 HP to a 5000 pound truck could be felt. Sorta like a 500 pound woman losing 10 pounds...sorta hard to notice.
NO, my wife is not fat.
Posted By: WO23Coronet
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/19/14 01:01 AM
I've got a K&N on my 05 Magnum R/T and I like the sound, not sure of a performance gain,but from what I've read there is a lot of hate for the K&N filter, or any oil based filter for that fact. I've picked up a SRT airbox and tube for it and am going to switch back over to it (has a bigger tube and bigger inlet hole into the box. On my 05 Ram I'm going to make my own using the stock airbox/filter and 4" PVC. One intriguing system for your truck is the Vararam system, guys that use them seem to love them
Posted By: fourgearsavoy
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/19/14 04:20 AM
My
I have seen all types of cold air intakes and NONE of them sealed the hot air away from the inlet as good as the factory unit does. The oiled K&N type filters release a residue that builds up on the mass airflow sensor electrodes and your fuel mileage may actually suffer and outweigh any performance gains you might see.
I have only seen one that looked like it would work and the customer said he paid over $650.00 for the system
hardly seems worth it to me
Gus
Posted By: Grizzly
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/19/14 06:08 PM
For years now some people ignore the fact that the factory air intakes already draw cold air from inside the fender or front bumper area.
It's hype. The proper term is "hot air" kit, which is obvious in this image: All the heat from the rad, exhaust manifolds, and engine block rise (Grade 5 Science class), stay below the hood, and all get funneled into this sorry excuse for hot-rodding:
Posted By: Grizzly
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/19/14 06:13 PM
Posted By: 360view
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/19/14 08:44 PM
for psychological reasons a loud aftermarket air intake can slightly improve fuel economy by causing the driver to slow down
this the the opposite effect to how a very quiet vehicle can cause you to drive 10 or 15 miles per hour faster
do not underestimate how complex air flow is in the intake
the air DOES NOT flow like you imagine water flows
the flow in an intake behaves closer to the gases in a submachine g%n
Aftermarket intakes should be tested against new filters in the original factory intakes, then tested a second time at approximately 10,000 miles of use
there is very questionable behavior when magazines test aftermarket intakes,
especially when money changes hands for advertising in the magazines,
for reprints of the test article bought by the cai manufacturer,
and also when "rent" is paid for the vehicle used in the test
have "significant" air intake designs been created?
yes, they have names like
"water/alcohol injection" and
"turbocharger"
Posted By: HotRodDave
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/19/14 10:17 PM
I expect most gains from "cold air intakes" are actually from a design that flows better. A better term may be "high flow intake" as the factory ones are often compromises in cost, noise, packaging... I think the main reason they grab air from the fender is it is cooler and quieter but the hole is often smaller than the throttle body. The fender probably does not have as much air pressure building in it going down the highway as under the hood so there is probably a small gain from that. The factory likes accordions for convenience both on install and design and they don't tend to flow as well as a smooth wall tube.
Posted By: KingTuna
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/19/14 10:49 PM
I have a K&N short ram intake on my 14 Challenger R/T. I also have a OBD2 bluetooth adapter that I use with the Torque app on my phone. I did a test of before the K&N and after, and the results were pretty close. On the highway, both air filters pulled air in that ranged from 2 to 5 degrees higher than the ambient air temperature. While sitting at a red light, or in traffic, the short ram did reach higher temperatures compared to the stock box. As far as airflow, you can tell the difference. The car pulls harder at higher rpms, where the stock box was restrictive. If living in areas where you have lots of traffic, I would actually get a cai that connects to the hole in the fender similar to a stock box. As far as HP gains manufacturer's claim, I think you might get that much of an improvement on a good day, with nice cool air, with the vehicle at proper running temp.
As far as the oil goes, I have heard people say that for years. I have used K&N filters since my first car, and I have put them in my parents vehicles also. As long as you oil the filter like you are supposed to, and let it dry a few hours before re-installing, you should have no issues. If you are heavy handed on the oil, you could have issues. Some people often think they know better than the directions...
Posted By: moparmarks
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/20/14 01:42 AM
I've had a K&N setup on my 97 5.2 Dakota for over 260,000 miles and have never had any problems with the MAP or TB or anything else. Get around 20mpg hwy. and 16 city.
The biggest gain is with a smooth tube versa a rippled one.
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/20/14 04:43 AM
Reason the MAF sensor is an issue is that this type of setup uses a heated wire in the intake air stream to measure air flow, the oil coats it and renders it useless. Suggested fix is replacement, not cleaning of the MAF. Hence manufacturers that use this system will not warranty your MAF if you use an oiled air filter, regardless of the amount of oil on it.
MAP sensor just measures intake vacuum and infers the air flow (real simplified explanation). That sensor never sees oil from the filter.
Posted By: 360view
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/20/14 01:37 PM
if you want the coolest air available the experiments are clear: the hottest air is near the dark sun heated pavement and the coolest air is high up. the difference changes with the season but can be 20 degrees even in winter
many highway transportation departments monitor this
http://rwis.kytc.ky.gov/maps/tempmap2.htmthere are similar results for the cleanliness of the air versus height above pavement
as with other small changes less than 5%
only a two vehicle "convoy" style test
called a SAE/TMC Type IV
can reliably detect air intake differences
Posted By: 360view
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/20/14 01:49 PM
If you are evaluating air intakes the MAP signal at wide open throttle should be one of your best buddies
But the MAP signal should be corrected for current weather conditions and altitude
On fuel economy
the MAP output is also of great value
If the MAP output is telling you that there is less than 75% of full atmospheric pressure to "push" the piston down on the intake stroke
you can improve your fuel economy by any of the following:
shift to a higher gear to lower RPM
cut out cylinders like Chrysler MDS
add a bit more exhaust gas recirculation unless it causes spark missfire
lean out the air/fuel ratio
heat the air intake
Posted By: Grizzly
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/21/14 01:57 AM
....and the AFR is
fully functional. I'd like to see this same demo done on the factory one.
Posted By: 750-h2
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/21/14 05:27 PM
On the largest new Challenger forum in the world [Challengertalk],there is a "Track" thread and the fastest DOCUMENTED 100% STOCK time recorded by a 5.7 R/T was 13.2 by Srt8tech with his automatic 2010 Challenger Mopar10 which has a factory installed Mopar CAI.
So apparently the Mopar CAI's do not slow down the cars.
Posted By: WO23Coronet
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/21/14 05:41 PM
Does anyone know the P/N of that filter on the Shaker car? Is it a dry filter or oil?
Posted By: dagohman
Re: Advantages of the Cold Air Intake? 2011 Ram 5.7L - 12/21/14 08:39 PM
Ive debated putting one my truck as well ( 08 Bighorn )
I personally don't believe the results will justify the cost.