1971 Charger - Was this combo possible?

Posted By: Ron_M

1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/10/14 03:11 AM

#Hideaway headlights and color keyed bumpers? Are there any pictures of factory cars?

I have googled images of cars and looked at the 71 Charger websites but no luck

Needed for a modeling project(s)

Thanks in advance!

Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/10/14 03:27 AM

No.

Sheldon

Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/10/14 03:28 AM

I've never seen it...

Posted By: 440trk

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/10/14 03:38 AM

Nope. Not a possible combination.

Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/10/14 03:53 AM

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Nope. Not a possible combination.

What prevented this combination?

Posted By: 440trk

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/10/14 06:49 AM

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Nope. Not a possible combination.

What prevented this combination?

Besides not being available as an option?

I believe the hide-a-way headlight surrounds and the elastomeric coating made for a snug fit. Seeing as how the surrounds are cast pot metal, I suspect there may have been some concern of them either being damaged, or them damaging the elastomeric coating. Purely speculation on my part though.

Posted By: mccannix

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/10/14 12:49 PM

I believe (Mike)440trk has the definitive answer.

I would like to see someone attempt the combination...think it would look great.

Posted By: GLR

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/10/14 01:31 PM

Hello, I saw this post and thought I would chime in. 18 years ago I built a 72 Charger for my wife. She wanted the car white and I don't like the looks of chrome bumpers on a white car (personal choice) so I took my straight bumpers and etched them carefully with the sand blaster and primed them with Epoxy and painted them. They have held up great!..No problems and the hideaway headlight system that I had was pitted pretty good so I blasted it carefully and primed with epoxy and painted it with black texture paint and it too has held up well.
I am sure you couldn't get this combination from the factory but I like the looks of it.

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Posted By: 440trk

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/11/14 12:30 AM

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Hello, I saw this post and thought I would chime in. 18 years ago I built a 72 Charger for my wife. She wanted the car white and I don't like the looks of chrome bumpers on a white car (personal choice) so I took my straight bumpers and etched them carefully with the sand blaster and primed them with Epoxy and painted them. They have held up great!..No problems and the hideaway headlight system that I had was pitted pretty good so I blasted it carefully and primed with epoxy and painted it with black texture paint and it too has held up well.
I am sure you couldn't get this combination from the factory but I like the looks of it.

I agree, I like the look as well.

Just as a side note, the factory elastomeric coating was a good bit thicker than just paint, which is why I suspect the clearance/interference issue with the hide-a-ways.

Posted By: Ron_M

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/11/14 03:42 AM

Thank-you

Going with the GW3 car. Took awhile to save all those pics off the 'bay

Posted By: bee1971

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/11/14 04:48 AM

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Nope. Not a possible combination.

You Mean Like The Factory 1971 Charger Superbee 440 Magnum Combo

Posted By: ProStDodge

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 02:39 AM

I liked the colored bumper on mine so I sandblasted the chrome bumpers and painted them.

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Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 04:43 AM

Another!

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Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 04:44 AM

Another, ...color

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Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 04:50 AM

Red one!

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Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 04:51 AM

Yet again...

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Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 04:53 AM

Pretty popular for an non-option.

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Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 04:54 AM

More of the same

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Posted By: magnumcharger

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 04:58 AM

but wait!

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Posted By: bee1971

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 05:01 AM

Would have to see the fender tags or broadcast sheet to verify

Anyone can paint chrome bumpers or add

Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 05:48 AM

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Would have to see the fender tags or broadcast sheet to verify

Anyone can paint chrome bumpers or add

What if it was "dealer installed" back in the day?

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Posted By: bee1971

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 06:04 AM

What if it was ??? Still never left the factory that way

And that is a 1972 hidden headlamp / front bumper set up

We all know the 71 Superbee couldn't bee ordered with the 440 magnum , but yet 26 left the factory

So

Anything is possible , we all know that. But let's see it on a legit fender tag / broadcast

Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 06:35 AM

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Anything is possible

Which has been proven time and time again...

And documentation isn't airtight, either...

Many things left the factory 'unofficially'...

At least in these parts...

Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 06:41 AM

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Anything is possible

Which has been proven time and time again...

And documentation isn't airtight, either...

Many things left the factory 'unofficially'...

At least in these parts...

The "factory" was toying with the idea back in the day as evident by this "factory photo"

Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 08:25 PM

just adding a note and a thought...

is not the same just PAINT the bumper, than add ELASTOMERIC layer. Just talking about because the "posible reason" theory posted by Mike about why they weren't optioned together

and the pics posted try to beat that theory.

not saying if it was that reason or not, I can't tell it really, but there is some logic on that

Posted By: bee1971

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 08:56 PM

Cool Picture

Posted By: bee1971

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 08:59 PM

This stuff was applied or sprayed over the steel core correct ?
Not over the chrome

I have seen these bumpers. The rubber coating is really not that thick. Am I missing something

Posted By: NachoRT74

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 09:08 PM

yeap, that's the 71 concept pic

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 09:17 PM

It may have been due to multiple manufacturer parts & their stack-up tolerances for an adequate fit.
..... or possibly to reduce the number of sub-assemblies on the production lines to accommodate all possible combinations that were built as sub-assemblies.
..... or a marketing call, no-one wants a chrome grill in a car they just ordered with de-chromed bumpers.

Why aren't there black, gold, etc. "rubber bumpers"? Same answer!

Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 09:18 PM

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This stuff was applied or sprayed over the steel core correct ?
Not over the chrome

I have seen these bumpers. The rubber coating is really not that thick.

Correct...

Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 09:34 PM

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Why aren't there black, gold, etc. "rubber bumpers"? Same answer!

Don't know about production issues regarding this, but as far as Elastomeric color availability...

Why FC-7 Elastomeric color available on '71 Ply E-Bodies, but not on '71 Ply B-bodies???

This 'color availability' thing is murky...

I've heard of E-bodies out there with rubber bumpers sprayed in 'non-available' colors...

Don't see any reason why it couldn't have been done outside the listings in the crash book...

Never say never, again...

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/12/14 09:50 PM

FC7 was the #3 color on the '70 'Cuda (BS23 & BS27)
FC7 was the #10 color on the '70 GTX (RS23)

sorry I don't have '70 RR numbers (anyone have the Option & Accessory Report?)

it's all about the money

someone had to place the minimum order for (WAG) 500 pieces, and didn't want to be in that June 1, 1971 meeting "why do we still have 400 of these FC7 Plymouth b-body bumpers on the shelf?"

Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/13/14 12:46 AM

It would've had to be a minimum on the base 'urethane' bumpers...

The colors would be applied to order...

One year only on the B-body...

I show 51 '71 X's with 'painted' bumpers...

Don't have totals for the entire line...

How many '71 BS2* left with elastomerics???

Posted By: 440trk

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/13/14 12:55 AM

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Anything is possible

Which has been proven time and time again...

And documentation isn't airtight, either...

Many things left the factory 'unofficially'...

At least in these parts...

The "factory" was toying with the idea back in the day as evident by this "factory photo"

Actually, that is a picture of the clay model...so that bumper in the picture isn't even metal.

Posted By: Furyman

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/13/14 01:05 AM

i had a couple of nos bumpers once.the coating was pretty thin.

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Posted By: Furyman

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/13/14 01:08 AM

front of the rear charger bumper.

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Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/13/14 02:54 AM

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sorry I don't have '70 RR numbers (anyone have the Option & Accessory Report?)

FWIW.

70 RR colors-total for all 3 body styles. Sorted highest percent to lowest. FC7 comes 8th.

Code Name percent

EB5 Blue fire Met 11.9
EV2 Tor-Red 9.1
FY1 Lemon Twist 8.1
EF8 Ivy Green Met 7.8
FK5 Burnt Orange 7.6
FE5 Rallye Red 7.5
FJ5 Lime Light 7.2
FC7 In-Violet 6.7
FF4 Lime Green Met 6.7
EK2 Vitamin C 6.5
EB7 Jamica Blue Met 3.7
EW1 Alpine White 3.5
TX9 Black Velvet 2.6
FT6 Burnt Tan Met 2.5
FY4 Citron Mist Met 2.2
EB3 Ice blue Met 1.9
DY3 Yellow gold 1.6
BL1 Sandpebble Beig 1.2
FJ6 Sassy Grass 0.6
FM3 Moulin Rouge 0.3

Posted By: rftroy

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/13/14 03:26 AM

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sorry I don't have '70 RR numbers (anyone have the Option & Accessory Report?)

Yes.

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Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/13/14 03:27 AM

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Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/13/14 03:31 AM

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I also have the 70 Satellite Station Wagon numbers, if anyone wants those.

Robert

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Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/13/14 04:09 AM

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Anything is possible

Which has been proven time and time again...

And documentation isn't airtight, either...

Many things left the factory 'unofficially'...

At least in these parts...

The "factory" was toying with the idea back in the day as evident by this "factory photo"

Actually, that is a picture of the clay model...so that bumper in the picture isn't even metal.

Doesn't really matter the medium used, I think the intention was to have a body colored bumper, had they wanted chrome hanging on the clay mock up, I'm sure they would have used it

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Posted By: 440trk

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/13/14 05:55 AM

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Doesn't really matter the medium used, I think the intention was to have a body colored bumper, had they wanted chrome hanging on the clay mock up, I'm sure they would have used it

And as you can see by that picture....a "conceptual" model is just that.

Clearly, Mopar DID make body colored bumpers, as well as hide-a-way headlights. If you want to split hairs about weather or not they would have used a chrome bumper...then explain why elastomeric bumpers weren't available in a "clay" color.

I'm kidding......

Posted By: 6bblgt

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/13/14 06:23 AM

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It would've had to be a minimum on the base 'urethane' bumpers...

The colors would be applied to order...

One year only on the B-body...

I show 51 '71 X's with 'painted' bumpers...

Don't have totals for the entire line...

How many '71 BS2* left with elastomerics???

Replacement bumpers were not available without paint, no NOS elastomerics w/o paint.

The manufacturer painted the bumpers in house, that's why NOS bumpers & mirrors found in paint are usually the same color from large overstock. GW3 mirrors & EV2 bumpers seem to be most common NOS '71 'Cuda pieces out there.

Posted By: Diego (not Ted)

Re: 1971 Charger - Was this combo possible? - 10/27/14 06:43 PM

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Nope. Not a possible combination.

You Mean Like The Factory 1971 Charger Superbee 440 Magnum Combo

You're comparing an availability of an engine/model combo that already existed (R/T and SE) with the availability of a combination of a bumper/grille combo that never did - not a good analogy.

Plus, there is literature that shows the 440 Super Bee was available, so it stands to reason that a few snuck out.