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CB Performance programmable ignition timing BlackBox

Posted By: BigBlockMopar

CB Performance programmable ignition timing BlackBox - 09/19/14 10:59 PM

Was wondering if anyone else here is running one of these?

http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2013


I've just installed one in my Dart to be able to finetune the ignition advance curve.
Stock Mopar distributors are a pain to change the ignition's timing curve on so I wanted to try a modern and easy to tune, digital approach.

Originally made for 4 cyl. VW bug engines, the control box also works with engines upto 8 cylinders. The BlackBox comes will a fairly simple (Windows) program where you can set some baseline limits and enter your preferred timing curve with. There's also a vacuum input on the control unit to take account for engine load.
You have to run a locked mechanical advance in your distributor and no vacuum advance hooked up to it, because this is now handled by the new ignition box.

Upto today I was using a Mopar chrome ECU with a Blaster 2 coil and a stock distributor with a modified advance curve.
As I was always wondering if some more power could be found in certain RPM-areas I decided to get one of these ignition control boxes and have a go at it.

There are a number of ways to connect the BlackBox to the current ignition system. I chose to let the BlackBox control the coil directly and bypassing the Mopar ECU, but I think I'm noticing a lack of spark-energy from the perhaps longer dwell of the Mopar Chrome box.
Will try to do a rewire tomorrow to see if I can keep the Mopar ECU in the loop.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: CB Performance programmable ignition timing BlackBox - 09/20/14 02:16 AM

Yeah post how it works for you. iirc MSD has one (similar) with the (3) adjustable circuits but the tech told me it wont work with vac adv so I passed (this was decades ago).
Posted By: BigBlockMopar

Re: CB Performance programmable ignition timing BlackBox - 09/20/14 11:20 PM

I wasn't able to connect the BlackBox and keep the Mopar ECU in the system aswell.
The BlackBox allows for plenty ways of connecting into a car's ignition system but I couldn't figure out quickly how to 'trigger' the Mopar ECU by using the BlackBox.

As this is my daily driver, I wanted to either get it running better than yesterday, or I would go back to the stock ignition system and play with the BlackBox on another car someday.
I decided to use a GM module as a simple trigger unit which seemed to work better than connecting the BlackBox directly to the coil.





All in all, after an afternoon of rewiring and driving around a bit to come up with a better tune, I can say the system seems to work nicely.
To this point I've only focussed on the most used area of the timing map (upper left / Idling and cruising) and will try to fine tune the other areas later on.

For my engine and fuel (propane LPG, 8.6:1cr, 2-bbl 318), this is the preliminary timing map I've come up with today which feels OK to drive around with. Only at the mid/higher rpm's (3000+) the engine seems to want to skip and miss at times.


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