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SB E-body headers that dont go under steering?
Posted By: Pale_Roader
SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/22/14 01:40 PM
Help a big block guy out here. Never built a SB before and so haven't paid ANY attention over the years to whats out there for them. The idea is to put a 5.9L Magnum/4-speed in my 70 Challenger.
Aside from spendy stuff like TTI, whats out there for headers that wont get crushed?
Also, whats out there for shorty headers that work well and dont cost $600?
The engine will be a stock junkyard 5.9L w RPM intake, and probably a Whiplash cam. But down the road the plan will include aluminum heads and more compression. Car will have no power steering or other options to get in the way.
Posted By: babarracuda
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/22/14 02:47 PM
If you spend too much, you are only out the extra. If you get a cheapy set and they don't fit, you're out all of it.
Posted By: forphorty
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/22/14 06:41 PM
Dougs. Check out Autozones website. With the 20% discount available at the time, I got mine for about $380 shipped to my door. These were the raw versions. Coated were another $120 more I think.
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/22/14 06:45 PM
TTI or Dougs. Pick your poison.
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/22/14 06:49 PM
Shorty headers for Dakotas can sometimes work. Not sure on an E body though.
Posted By: Pale_Roader
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/23/14 01:11 AM
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If you spend too much, you are only out the extra. If you get a cheapy set and they don't fit, you're out all of it.
I really wish people would quit assuming that not wanting to spend money is a choice. If you've got $2-300 kicking around to lend me then i can afford the headers i want. No money here, no credit. I dont want a $125 header, but $600+ is out unless you want to help.
Posted By: Pale_Roader
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/23/14 01:13 AM
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Dougs. Check out Autozones website. With the 20% discount available at the time, I got mine for about $380 shipped to my door. These were the raw versions. Coated were another $120 more I think.
Hmmm... Maybe you can link the page. That website was next to useless for me.
Dougs for under $400 sounds good though. They make nice stuff. I didn't know Doug's went over the steering though. I dont need coated headers.
Posted By: RobX4406
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/23/14 01:15 AM
d453r
Search that.
Posted By: Pale_Roader
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/23/14 01:20 AM
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Shorty headers for Dakotas can sometimes work. Not sure on an E body though.
Hmmm... maybe a cheapo swap meet option for experimentation...
Got excited... Spintech makes a REALLY nice set ov Dakota mid-lengths... but again, $700. Dammit.
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/23/14 01:27 AM
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Shorty headers for Dakotas can sometimes work. Not sure on an E body though.
Hmmm... maybe a cheapo swap meet option for experimentation...
Got excited... Spintech makes a REALLY nice set ov Dakota mid-lengths... but again, $700. Dammit.
I meant cheapo Summit replace your manifold with "headers" type headers.
http://www.summitracing.com/search/depar...d/summit-racing
$200, price has gone up since I last looked at them.
Posted By: Pale_Roader
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/23/14 01:31 AM
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d453r
Search that.
Nice, but now i'm back at $600+. Maybe the uncoated version is a lot less...???
Does this stuff come up used a lot? Dougs or TTI? I know if i build a big block Challenger i never have trouble finding used headers.
Posted By: Pale_Roader
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/23/14 01:33 AM
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Shorty headers for Dakotas can sometimes work. Not sure on an E body though.
Hmmm... maybe a cheapo swap meet option for experimentation...
Got excited... Spintech makes a REALLY nice set ov Dakota mid-lengths... but again, $700. Dammit.
I meant cheapo Summit replace your manifold with "headers" type headers.
http://www.summitracing.com/search/depar...d/summit-racing
$200, price has gone up since I last looked at them.
Yeah... might be an option to get the thing up and running. I wonder if they fit?
Posted By: RobX4406
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/23/14 03:42 AM
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d453r
Search that.
Nice, but now i'm back at $600+. Maybe the uncoated version is a lot less...???
Does this stuff come up used a lot? Dougs or TTI? I know if i build a big block Challenger i never have trouble finding used headers.
somehow you can't seem to search properly. I put exactly what I wrote in the search box and it got the following as the ONLY selection! I sure don't see 600+
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/E...PartNumber=true
searching d453 got both coated AND uncoated.
Posted By: Pale_Roader
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/23/14 11:38 AM
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d453r
Search that.
Nice, but now i'm back at $600+. Maybe the uncoated version is a lot less...???
Does this stuff come up used a lot? Dougs or TTI? I know if i build a big block Challenger i never have trouble finding used headers.
somehow you can't seem to search properly. I put exactly what I wrote in the search box and it got the following as the ONLY selection! I sure don't see 600+
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/E...PartNumber=true
searching d453 got both coated AND uncoated.
Well my computer wont load certain sites and i dont have 20 minutes to search for one page. I had to google Dougs home site for that price. $440 is a lot better. Still over $500 by the time i own it across the border though. Probably gonna have to scour the Earth for something used. At least there are two brands i can use.
Posted By: forphorty
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/23/14 07:36 PM
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d453r
Search that.
Nice, but now i'm back at $600+. Maybe the uncoated version is a lot less...???
Does this stuff come up used a lot? Dougs or TTI? I know if i build a big block Challenger i never have trouble finding used headers.
somehow you can't seem to search properly. I put exactly what I wrote in the search box and it got the following as the ONLY selection! I sure don't see 600+
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/E...PartNumber=true
searching d453 got both coated AND uncoated.
Well my computer wont load certain sites and i dont have 20 minutes to search for one page. I had to google Dougs home site for that price. $440 is a lot better. Still over $500 by the time i own it across the border though. Probably gonna have to scour the Earth for something used. At least there are two brands i can use.
Amazon has those headers with free shipping, maybe not for you guys up there though..
Posted By: RobX4406
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/23/14 07:40 PM
440 + 20% off with a code they give every once in a while + free shipping is a lot better too.
Posted By: ditchdrift
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/23/14 07:57 PM
i run a small block in my 66 b body and my hooker super comps run above the steering. should be the same in a e-body. only thing i would be concerned with is the power steering box clearance.
Posted By: Pale_Roader
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/24/14 01:35 AM
Free shipping works for me, i just get it sent to the border and then its a 20 minute drive for me to pick it up. Too easy.
Hookers huh...??? I know Hookers flow, and they can be cheap, but i'm still pretty turned off them from my big block/72 Charger experience... I dont have power steering however.
Posted By: JDMopar
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/24/14 02:32 AM
I had a set ov Hooker Super Comps on the 340 in my 71 Challenger for a while. They do fit pretty good, but you need a hell ov a motor to use them. The tubes are too big for a stock type motor. They are 3/4 inch from exhaust port to collector. Kills the bottom end if you have a pretty much stock motor. Check the small block for sale section, or maybe A-body parts. I think there's a set ov brand new Dougs 453's on there with one dinged tube. If they fit an A-body, they will fit an E-body.
Posted By: Pale_Roader
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/24/14 12:50 PM
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I had a set ov Hooker Super Comps on the 340 in my 71 Challenger for a while. They do fit pretty good, but you need a hell ov a motor to use them. The tubes are too big for a stock type motor. They are 3/4 inch from exhaust port to collector. Kills the bottom end if you have a pretty much stock motor. Check the small block for sale section, or maybe A-body parts. I think there's a set ov brand new Dougs 453's on there with one dinged tube. If they fit an A-body, they will fit an E-body.
Hah! JD... i had to laugh...
Hmmm... this is good to know. But now i wonder how much engine i'd need to really utilize them. I am putting a decent-sized cam, RPM intake 5.9L Magnum in there, with plans to mod further along the way. 1 3/4" does seem big, but then again, this engine should be relatively close to a stockish 383 and that would love a 1 3/4" header... Should be around 320HP to start with, though all done by 6000rpm.
Another thing is this will be a light car and a stick. 3000-3200lbs... so torque needn't be ridiculous.
Saw those headers already, though before i knew i needed them. Too bad they'll be gone before any money comes around for them. Grrr...
Posted By: RobX4406
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/24/14 05:59 PM
I might have a set of hooker 5115 1 3/4" headers. Have to look in my storage.
If I have them they'd be available.
Posted By: 2boltmain
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/25/14 01:04 AM
"I really wish people would quit assuming that not wanting to spend money is a choice. If you've got $2-300 kicking around to lend me then i can afford the headers i want. No money here, no credit. I dont want a $125 header, but $600+ is out unless you want to help."
LOL. Years ago I made the mistake of typing that it would be nice to have headers that didnt hang low but for around $300. I was accused of being cheap AND poor because I dared to say TTIs were expensive.
How bowt them Schumacher smallblock headers? Very very nice but more than TTIs. Ill have to get a set of those when I sell of my collection of hemi wing cars.
Posted By: Pale_Roader
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/25/14 10:23 AM
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"I really wish people would quit assuming that not wanting to spend money is a choice. If you've got $2-300 kicking around to lend me then i can afford the headers i want. No money here, no credit. I dont want a $125 header, but $600+ is out unless you want to help."
LOL. Years ago I made the mistake of typing that it would be nice to have headers that didnt hang low but for around $300. I was accused of being cheap AND poor because I dared to say TTIs were expensive.
How bowt them Schumacher smallblock headers? Very very nice but more than TTIs. Ill have to get a set of those when I sell of my collection of hemi wing cars.
Hah! No kidding.
Well, at least now it sounds like with some searching one could get into a set that fits the bill for a reasonable amount. There are TWO used sets for sale here as i type, and someone has also said they may have some Super Comps. Its a start. One thing that kept me from ever even thinking about a smallblock was the $700-1000 headers. I dont care if Burns Stainless makes them with tuned merge-collectors... the money just isn't there. And years ov looking at other peoples E-bodies with the mashed primaries and ticky-ticky sound didn't help either.
I've also decided that i dont want to hear ANY part ov my exhaust until it comes out the tips. So nice thick, newer-design headers are the way to go. Hated that ticky-ticky sound ov my Hooker Comps. If it gets me on the road i'll go Hooker again, but it will definitely be temporary. Hell... i might just stay manifolded if i cant find some used TTI's or Dougs.
Posted By: 2boltmain
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/26/14 12:22 AM
I still wonder why Hedman, Blackjack, Cyclone, Eagle, Walker, Flow Tech ect.. dont route their tubes the way TTI and Dougs do. Yes the above headers are made of crap metal but it would be nice to have that low cost option THAT PROVIDES GROUND CLEARANCE.
Posted By: Pale_Roader
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/26/14 01:26 AM
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I still wonder why Hedman, Blackjack, Cyclone, Eagle, Walker, Flow Tech ect.. dont route their tubes the way TTI and Dougs do. Yes the above headers are made of crap metal but it would be nice to have that low cost option THAT PROVIDES GROUND CLEARANCE.
At this stage in the game probably just too much investment for too little return. Add to that they probably have tons and tons ov old stock they'd prefer to move. Hate to say it, but money'd be much better spent on designing Mustang or "charger" headers, maybe truck headers than 40 year old niche headers. At least we have the TTI/Dougs stuff.
Posted By: roe
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/26/14 04:36 AM
If you can get the Dougs, do it. You won't be dissappointed. Plug access is amazing. I can R&R my plugs without so much as making contact with my headers. Thick flanges, thick tubes, over the steering so no disconnecting the linkage for install. It was a smooth install for me and I have power steering and a column shift auto. Finish is nice (I opted for the polished ceramic coating), welds are good.....
roe
Posted By: Pale_Roader
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/26/14 10:55 AM
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If you can get the Dougs, do it. You won't be dissappointed. Plug access is amazing. I can R&R my plugs without so much as making contact with my headers. Thick flanges, thick tubes, over the steering so no disconnecting the linkage for install. It was a smooth install for me and I have power steering and a column shift auto. Finish is nice (I opted for the polished ceramic coating), welds are good.....
roe
Hah! You dont have to sell me on Dougs. Years ago someone gave me a set ov big block Mopar truck headers at a swap meet. They were Dougs. I couldn't believe how nice, and solid they were. All my Chevy friends were just as impressed. Kind ov annoyed me i couldn't use 'em on anything. I'd buy 'em over TTI any day.
Posted By: thedriver
Re: SB E-body headers that dont go under steering? - 03/27/14 04:57 PM
Crushed hedmans. Just raise the front a lil bit, before you scrape them.... That's what i did ...after I pinched them!