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Tranny fluid

Posted By: sbmopar

Tranny fluid - 11/25/13 05:12 AM

Ok guys n girls what's the right trans fluid for a 1968/ 904 tranny ? Has a shift kit and manual valve body
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Tranny fluid - 11/25/13 05:15 PM

Type F from Walmart
Posted By: stumpy

Re: Tranny fluid - 11/25/13 05:43 PM

Old Mopars do best with type F.
Posted By: jglen490

Re: Tranny fluid - 11/25/13 06:00 PM

A 904? ATF+4.
Posted By: stumpy

Re: Tranny fluid - 11/25/13 06:39 PM

ATF+4 is for the newer style OD trans not the older 3 speed.
Posted By: topside

Re: Tranny fluid - 11/25/13 10:51 PM

Whatever Type F is on sale, for anything short of a racecar. Some guys prefer Dexron over F, though. I've run both, no problems with either. The old B&M Trik-Shift fluid was re-labeled F.
Posted By: loaderpro

Re: Tranny fluid - 11/28/13 07:07 AM

The "old" B&M trickshift is what I am now running in a race 727 and a powerglide plus the wifes XR7. Stuff works great and has been around forever. Less than 5.00 a qt from one of the super online parts houses.
I have always used type F but it is almost impossible to find at least in my area.

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Posted By: Dean_Kuzluzski

Re: Tranny fluid - 11/28/13 02:16 PM

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I have always used type F but it is almost impossible to find at least in my area.




They have "Type-F" up here at the local Meijers (like a Wallymart, but MI based ), by quart only or I'd stock up on gallons, for $2.89/qt.

It is Meijer brand/label but I've run the Dexron III version in 2 daily drivers for at least 100k and it still looks red in both.
Posted By: 67coronetman

Re: Tranny fluid - 11/28/13 02:29 PM

I have ran B&M trickshift and it worked great. But i run the factory trans fluid to & it works very well & my trans is very well built but its a street car mostly.....
Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: Tranny fluid - 11/28/13 03:47 PM

Trick shift is just type f with blue dye.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Tranny fluid - 11/28/13 03:54 PM

WalMart Type F will get the job done. If you transbrake you will need to change fluid often. I put a trans temp in one time, you only need it for one race , after that you KNOW what is happening and when. On the button it can go up 100 degrees a second, will drop instantly when button is released. No trans brake, never a problem with temp if unit is healthy.
Posted By: loaderpro

Re: Tranny fluid - 11/28/13 07:07 PM

Yes, any type F is good, just hard to get here. limited supply or what ever, then if you happen upon a case of it they want anywhere from 6-10 dollars a qt. So why not use B&M? 4.97 from Summit! That oil and that company go back along ways. So I wonder how B&M got the red out and put the blue dye in? Every company has there own formulas for their oils. And if it is just a dye job (which I seriously doubt) so be it, it is still a high quality oil! The stuff works and it is cheaper than I can buy from the local parts houses.

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Posted By: VL21

Re: Tranny fluid - 11/29/13 02:10 AM



Was out today, had a senior moment, and went into a Wallymart to get some type F, going to change the filter on the D100 this weekend.

Totally forgot about the "black Friday" thing, I was early for that to start but they were getting ready, place was crawling with early loiterers and LOTS of employees.

OH, and they had 7 qts of type F, at 3.48/qt. I was looking for gallon jugs, a couple of 'em. nada.

And I certainly wasn't expecting it to be 3.48 /qt either!

I guess it's been a while since I bought any house brand stuff, was expecting maybe 1.50-2.00 ea.

Going back to my regular jobber, and get name brand for probably just a little more.

Posted By: pjc360

Re: Tranny fluid - 12/02/13 07:37 PM

Has anyone here ran dexron6 in a 727 transmission or a A-518? I have read it is fully back words compatible to dexron3, From what I have gathered it should provide the same shift characteristics as dexron3 but it is synthetic and will last a lot longer and protect a lot better against heat. I have a non lock up A-518 that I have been running dexron3 in, but I am seriously considering trying the new dexron6.
Posted By: jglen490

Re: Tranny fluid - 12/02/13 08:37 PM

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ATF+4 is for the newer style OD trans not the older 3 speed.



Use whatever fluid you want, but finger wagging is uncalled for.

ALLPAR Torqueflite Page
Also....
ALLPAR Tranny Fix Page
Especially the part that says "Chrysler TSB# 21-006-01 notes that all current vehicles only use ATF+4 type 9602, part 05013457AA (for quart bottles). The advantages of ATF+4 over +3 (and Dexron for that matter) include:
•Better anti-wear and anti-corrosion properties — and maintains its friction properties over time
•Controls oxidation - eliminates deposits
•Anti-foaming
•Superior low temperature operation

You can use ATF+4 with all older Chrysler transmissions (except some Jeeps, as noted earlier, and very early automatics — before the TorqueFlite).

Rich Hutchinson wrote: [In 1989-91] both the manual and the dipstick said Dexron was okay, which is wrong. For non lockup 3 spds, either can be used. For lockup 3 spds up to some date in 1999 either could be used but ATF+3 was prefered. After that date ATF+4 is to be used in all automatics.

The best bet for transmissions made before 1998 is to just use ATF+4. Even if it's not needed, it's better than Dexron. "

It is a fact that ATF+4 MUST be used on the newer 4-speeds (except as noted), but there is no such prohibition on ATF+4 for the 3-speed torqueflite - only the older pre-TF trannies.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: Tranny fluid - 12/02/13 09:58 PM


The backwards compatibility issue with ATF+4 has a lot to do with dealers only having to stock one fluid.
Posted By: jglen490

Re: Tranny fluid - 12/02/13 10:14 PM

It may be economics at work, but in reality why stock an older type fluid (or an ATF+2, ATF+3, Dexron III, etc.), when ATF+4 is a superior fluid to the other/older fluids and, except as noted with the Jeep and pre-TF trannies, is fully backwards compatible.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: Tranny fluid - 12/02/13 11:19 PM


Depends on the intended usage and the ATF+4 is "superior" in lube properties but not friction properties that many desire.

Non-lockup 3-speeds don't need the lube properties.
Posted By: stumpy

Re: Tranny fluid - 12/02/13 11:32 PM

jglen490, are you speaking from experience as someone who has built a few transmissions or are you just going by what you have read? My long term experience working on Mopars has shown me that the Type F fluid will make the 3speed torqueflite transmissions last longer and shift more solidly then the +4 fluid. I use +4 in all the Auto OD transmissions.
Posted By: jglen490

Re: Tranny fluid - 12/03/13 03:46 AM

Since you've set yourself up as the top expert on the subject - then use whatever you want. It's no skin off my back, and there's no need to be defensive about it. My only reason for saying anything was to participate in the conversation and bring some reference material in that others might find useful - or not. If that is problematic, then perhaps we need to take this off-line.

Have a good evening.
Posted By: stumpy

Re: Tranny fluid - 12/03/13 04:14 AM

Experience is the best teacher. PM sent.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: Tranny fluid - 12/03/13 11:07 PM

Many of the listed properties that supposedly make ATF+4 "superior" also exist in previous fluids i.e.

*Controls oxidation - eliminates deposits
•Anti-foaming

Every new fluid gets a lot of hype with its introduction, some buy the hype but others.............

Bottom line, ATF+4 is formulated for OD transmissions where the planetary gears run continuously and have lockup converters that need additives to reduce clutch shudder. Not necessarily the best choice for a non-lockup 3-speed.
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