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HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks

Posted By: hemi68charger

HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 03:54 AM

Hey gang..

Looks like I my "Mancini Street Hemi Package" isn't as sweet as I thought it was going to be.....

Anyone running the OEM intake with the Edelbrock 600's? The progressive rod seems to be, "not the best" in the world. When I got the kit, there was one bushing zip-tied to the rear carb's throttle arm. Well, that's all fine and dandy and fit like a glove, but they only supplied ONE bushing. The attach hardware for the other end of the progressive linkage doesn't center itself.. I am going to call Mancini back tomorrow. I called today and they "pointed fingers" at Edelbrock, which I in turned called. Edelbrock stated they aren't the ones that zip-tied the bushings, so it must be the department within Mancini that's building these things ( or Mopar Performance ).... Can I see how ya'll have yours?

I was warned............ you were right Anthony (71 RR- J68 )

This is what I have.......

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Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 03:55 AM

Doesn't seem to be totally lined up parallel.......

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Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 03:55 AM

you can see where, because of the lack of the bushing, the attach nut/bolt isn't centered...... Come on, Man !!!

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Posted By: max_maniac

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 04:18 AM

First I think you have the progressive rod on backward....

Summitt Racing has a set up that works with these carbs so check them out.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lok-tcb-plr2/overview/

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-7094/overview/


Russ
Posted By: 71birdJ68

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 04:21 AM

I hate it when I'm right. I sent my phone number, and if you'd called I could have told you how to fix that. I'm still here if you want. On a side note, Mancini does that stuff all the time, I have went round , and round with them before. Yes you should have gotten two bushings. One thing, you have the rod on backwards. Call me so I know exactly what you bought, and I can tell what's going on. I have already been through this.
Posted By: TooMany62s

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 05:17 AM

Here's how it should look. Note the front pivot point is lower than the rear. Adjust the rod so that when the rear carb is wide open the front will also be wide open. The linkage will then be "progressive" as it was from the factory.

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Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 01:30 PM

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First I think you have the progressive rod on backward....

Summitt Racing has a set up that works with these carbs so check them out.

Russ



Yeap Russ,
I figured that one out AFTER I took the picture and looked into my FSM. I should have remembered since I used to have a 426 Hemi Charger R/T project. I took the picure prior to repositioning........ Duh !!!



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I hate it when I'm right. I sent my phone number, and if you'd called I could have told you how to fix that. I'm still here if you want. On a side note, Mancini does that stuff all the time, I have went round , and round with them before. Yes you should have gotten two bushings. One thing, you have the rod on backwards. Call me so I know exactly what you bought, and I can tell what's going on. I have already been through this.



Yeap, you sent it.. I do appreciate you reaching out. I just got wrapped up in work, getting-home "stuff", trying to work out the motor situation, etc... Hindsight is 20/20... I am going to call Mancini back. They constructed the package, so they should know exactly what I'm talking about............

Posted By: 71birdJ68

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 02:52 PM

Where is the bracket that the throttle cable hooks to? A big U shaped thing that bolts to the rear carb. But what Mancini doesn't want to tell you is how to make the progressive linkage work. I like to never got that out of them. Also you will only get about 1/3 open on the rear, when the front starts to open. No, they don't make that package, they have some guy out side of the business in town do it, and he does not want to help. Unless they have changed who does it. What is that bracket at the back of the manifold?
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 03:31 PM

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Where is the bracket that the throttle cable hooks to? A big U shaped thing that bolts to the rear carb. But what Mancini doesn't want to tell you is how to make the progressive linkage work. I like to never got that out of them. Also you will only get about 1/3 open on the rear, when the front starts to open. No, they don't make that package, they have some guy out side of the business in town do it, and he does not want to help. Unless they have changed who does it. What is that bracket at the back of the manifold?



The U-shaped throttle arm bracket apparently doesn't come with it. I think this is [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] since in the picture it is obviously there. The rear throttle cable attach bracket is attached to the rear of the manifold. I think I need to address this to Mr. Mancini... But, I can't return it since I bought the package from a member here on moparts.......... Oh well........ Live and learn even at 49....... I am going a different route with this endeavor..
Posted By: 71birdJ68

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 03:50 PM

Is that a automatic car?
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 04:41 PM

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Is that a automatic car?



If this is directed at me, then yes, I got the hardware kit for an auto....
Posted By: 71birdJ68

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 05:21 PM

Did you ask the guy you bought it from, if he had lost any parts?
Posted By: kissmyaspen

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 06:49 PM

I do agree its dumb they don't add the $12 part to the kit..
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 07:53 PM

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Did you ask the guy you bought it from, if he had lost any parts?



Sure did, stated he didn't have them.........


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I do agree its dumb they don't add the $12 part to the kit..



I challenged Mancini's person who answered the phone and he said it wasn't in the "package". I told him it is pictured in it, so why wasn't it part of the kit.. Mentioned to him it was useless without it to a Mopar guy.......
Posted By: 71birdJ68

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 09:09 PM

They came in my linkage kit. You know Mancinis service really stinks. The only reason to use them is they have nice stuff at a reasonable price. And you know what, they don't care.
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 09:29 PM

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They came in my linkage kit. You know Mancinis service really stinks. The only reason to use them is they have nice stuff at a reasonable price. And you know what, they don't care.



You got both bushings in your package? And the throttle attach bracket adaptor as well?

It wouldn't be all that bad if the bushing was available, but it is probably made locally. The throttle bracket is different. I can order those on my own......
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 11:09 PM

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They came in my linkage kit. You know Mancinis service really stinks. The only reason to use them is they have nice stuff at a reasonable price. And you know what, they don't care.



You got both bushings in your package? And the throttle attach bracket adaptor as well?

It wouldn't be all that bad if the bushing was available, but it is probably made locally. The throttle bracket is different. I can order those on my own......



Looking at the picture above there isn't a second bushing , you have it put together wrong , the hole the front stud goes in doesn't require a bushing ???
Posted By: 71birdJ68

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 11:13 PM

Let me clarify it a little. I already had the crabs and intake, I called them up ,told them what I had, and said send me what ever it takes to make this work. I keep having to call to get something that I didn't know what I needed, even after I said send me what ever I need to make it work.But to answer your question, yes I got both bushings together. I just don't remember if it was a Mr. Gasket kit, or that kit in your picture. You know, it is so much easer to explain this on the phone. Let me look at mine again, make sure of how I finally got it to work.
Posted By: 71birdJ68

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/21/13 11:27 PM

Ok, after looking at mine again, John is right, you don't need a bushing in the front. You have to drill one of the two holes below the big one for that spring retainer thing.That will put it down so you will have a progressive set up. But, after looking at my leftover parts, I still had several bushings leftover that all came in one package.
You know if I knew then what I know now, I would have gotten the whole thing from Scott Harm with his reworked Carter carbs. Then everything works the way it is supposed to without any headache.
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/22/13 12:53 AM

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You know if I knew then what I know now, I would have gotten the whole thing from Scott Harm with his reworked Carter carbs. Then everything works the way it is supposed to without any headache.



And that's exactly what I'm doing now........ It is only a matter of sending the money.... I didn't know Scott sold those either. He contacted me ( unfortunately, it was after this thread and I bought the system thinking ( again, assuming the right word ), Mancini would have their act together........ So, I'm selling the carbs and being done with the Eddy's... I have the spring and linkage kits that'll work with his carbs........ And look a hell of a lot better......
Posted By: Supercuda

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/22/13 01:02 AM

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Hey gang..

Looks like I my "Mancini Street Hemi Package" isn't as sweet as I thought it was going to be.....

Anyone running the OEM intake with the Edelbrock 600's? The progressive rod seems to be, "not the best" in the world. When I got the kit, there was one bushing zip-tied to the rear carb's throttle arm. Well, that's all fine and dandy and fit like a glove, but they only supplied ONE bushing. The attach hardware for the other end of the progressive linkage doesn't center itself.. I am going to call Mancini back tomorrow. I called today and they "pointed fingers" at Edelbrock, which I in turned called. Edelbrock stated they aren't the ones that zip-tied the bushings, so it must be the department within Mancini that's building these things ( or Mopar Performance ).... Can I see how ya'll have yours?

I was warned............ you were right Anthony (71 RR- J68 )

This is what I have.......



You only need one bushing, I suggest you go look at how it's out together at the Edelbrock site, not rocket science.
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/22/13 01:32 AM

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Hey gang..

Looks like I my "Mancini Street Hemi Package" isn't as sweet as I thought it was going to be.....

Anyone running the OEM intake with the Edelbrock 600's? The progressive rod seems to be, "not the best" in the world. When I got the kit, there was one bushing zip-tied to the rear carb's throttle arm. Well, that's all fine and dandy and fit like a glove, but they only supplied ONE bushing. The attach hardware for the other end of the progressive linkage doesn't center itself.. I am going to call Mancini back tomorrow. I called today and they "pointed fingers" at Edelbrock, which I in turned called. Edelbrock stated they aren't the ones that zip-tied the bushings, so it must be the department within Mancini that's building these things ( or Mopar Performance ).... Can I see how ya'll have yours?

I was warned............ you were right Anthony (71 RR- J68 )

This is what I have.......



You only need one bushing, I suggest you go look at how it's out together at the Edelbrock site, not rocket science.



May not be rocket science, but the website is a maze and you would think the customer service representative would have directed me to somewhere as you have eluded to. I am taking it by the suggestion you have been to or know where the page is referring to dual-quad applications on 426 Hemi? In hindsight this package seems to have been thrown together. In hindsight I put too much trust in a Edelbrock product and a Mancini customer service representative.
Posted By: 71birdJ68

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/22/13 02:49 AM

Your, our, trust was with Mancini, cause they are Mopar people, and Edlebrock is not. Like I said, the guy that puts this package together doesn't even work for Mancini, he does it for them on the side. At least that's what they told me about a year ago.It's not Edlebrocks fault, they don't not care about factory type applications, just hot rod applications. Also the guy that makes the steel repo air cleaner base plates and lids, is also a pice of work. Don't trust him either, ask me how I know this.
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/22/13 03:52 AM

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Your, our, trust was with Mancini, cause they are Mopar people, and Edlebrock is not. Like I said, the guy that puts this package together doesn't even work for Mancini, he does it for them on the side. At least that's what they told me about a year ago.It's not Edlebrocks fault, they don't not care about factory type applications, just hot rod applications. Also the guy that makes the steel repo air cleaner base plates and lids, is also a pice of work. Don't trust him either, ask me how I know this.



I completely agree.. accountability should rest with Mancini.... But, it is all good, I learned a valuable lesson on something I shouldn't have bought. I will recoup some of the cost with the sale of the carbs, to a Chevy guy...
Posted By: Lee446

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/22/13 05:01 AM

Nothing wrong with the Edelbrock carbs, you just don't have the linkage hooked up correctly. you would think Mancini would include a diagram showing the proper attachment hole on the front carb lever, since they are not the same as the original Carters, you cant use the FSM and I am not sure the Ebrock site would show it as they have their own linkage, not the same. I run a pair of the 800 AFB's on my Hemi and they work very well once the jetting and rods were optimized.
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/22/13 01:33 PM

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Nothing wrong with the Edelbrock carbs, you just don't have the linkage hooked up correctly. you would think Mancini would include a diagram showing the proper attachment hole on the front carb lever, since they are not the same as the original Carters, you cant use the FSM and I am not sure the Ebrock site would show it as they have their own linkage, not the same. I run a pair of the 800 AFB's on my Hemi and they work very well once the jetting and rods were optimized.



Thanks for the input.. The picture in the thread at the begin isn't where they are now. I used the FSM to determine which card the slider was orientated. Obviously, after the picture I found out it was backwards. But, being that the application isn't OEM, they would give instructions on what to do, I agree. Again, mute point.... I'm selling them and getting Scott's AFB HEMI reproductions......

Robert, if you make this year's Houston AutoRama next week, I'll be there with the Daytona......
Posted By: Supercuda

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/22/13 03:03 PM

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May not be rocket science, but the website is a maze and you would think the customer service representative would have directed me to somewhere as you have eluded to. I am taking it by the suggestion you have been to or know where the page is referring to dual-quad applications on 426 Hemi? In hindsight this package seems to have been thrown together. In hindsight I put too much trust in a Edelbrock product and a Mancini customer service representative.



Took a whopping 5 minutes to find the progressive throttle linkage at the Edelbrock site. Another poster in this thread posted how you should have hooked it up. I think maybe where your trust was misplaced was in your ability to figure things out. Do you have an FSM? Did you bother to ask anyone for help before you attacked Mancini, Edelbrock, etc?

Even after others pointed out to you that you installed it wrong and provided you with DETAILED pictures of how it goes you still carry on. You are the problem.
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/22/13 03:41 PM

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May not be rocket science, but the website is a maze and you would think the customer service representative would have directed me to somewhere as you have eluded to. I am taking it by the suggestion you have been to or know where the page is referring to dual-quad applications on 426 Hemi? In hindsight this package seems to have been thrown together. In hindsight I put too much trust in a Edelbrock product and a Mancini customer service representative.



Took a whopping 5 minutes to find the progressive throttle linkage at the Edelbrock site. Another poster in this thread posted how you should have hooked it up. I think maybe where your trust was misplaced was in your ability to figure things out. Do you have an FSM? Did you bother to ask anyone for help before you attacked Mancini, Edelbrock, etc?

Even after others pointed out to you that you installed it wrong and provided you with DETAILED pictures of how it goes you still carry on. You are the problem.



Dude... You are a piece of work........ There was one (1) detailed picture provided by TooMany62s and I appreciate it. Not sure I know what other "detailed" pictures you're referring to, but there's nothing on this thread. I come here looking for help and suggestions. I don't need your smartass comments on my ability, or in your eyes, my inability to figure things out. I have helped tons of people over and all abound... I never commented on your ability or skills, so I'd appreciate it if you kept your negative comments about me to your freakin' self. Like a lot of people here, I've been tinkering and messing around with Mopars for 30 years. Some things I have a better knowledge than others... I asked you a legitimate and non-condescending question about whether or not you know where the link is on their site.... And I get back a smartass comment? Really? Give me a break............. Like most people who DO have the spirit to actually help, who could have provided the link to the Edelbrock site you found in 5 minutes.... And yeap, I'm waiting for some other comment... You have a jolly good day Mr. Grumpy...
Posted By: 71birdJ68

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/22/13 04:21 PM

Ok, without getting in a pissing match with everybody on here, about he said, she said, which is now what has happened, here is what I would say is the problem. The linkage on the Edelbrock web site is different than what Mancini sells, so it would be kind of hard to figure out. Now the picture on Mancinis web site is WRONG, I told them it was wrong a year or so ago. They will email that same picture to people to see how this goes together,and they themselves don't know how it is supposed to work. Now since they haven't changed it, that tells me they don't give a sh*t. I had the same problems myself cause the service manual is not like this.The OE setup is different. We are dealing with trying to adapt Chevy parts to a Mopar application.Ok, now about the people trying to help the OP, and all of this back, and forth pain and anguish could have been avoided in if he would just have picked up the phone, and called me,like I asked, cause I have already pulled my hair over this same thing.
Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/22/13 07:09 PM

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Ok, without getting in a pissing match with everybody on here, about he said, she said, which is now what has happened, here is what I would say is the problem. The linkage on the Edelbrock web site is different than what Mancini sells, so it would be kind of hard to figure out. Now the picture on Mancinis web site is WRONG, I told them it was wrong a year or so ago. They will email that same picture to people to see how this goes together,and they themselves don't know how it is supposed to work. Now since they haven't changed it, that tells me they don't give a sh*t. I had the same problems myself cause the service manual is not like this.The OE setup is different. We are dealing with trying to adapt Chevy parts to a Mopar application.Ok, now about the people trying to help the OP, and all of this back, and forth pain and anguish could have been avoided in if he would just have picked up the phone, and called me,like I asked, cause I have already pulled my hair over this same thing.



Thanks everyone for your support..... Anthony, you nailed it on the head concerning adapting Chevy parts for a Mopar application. Sorry I didn't call you prior to the pissing match. Most time when I reply to these threads I'm at work and can type a thing or two, but not free to start calling people. By the time I get home, my mind is focused on the kids or evening happenings........ I did contact Edelbrock and Mancini, and neither had the information I needed nor cared to find out for me ( needless to say rather unprofessional )............

Case is closed because I'm getting the carbs from Scott and being done with it. I wish I would have known he did this before this.. But, it is what it is........

Thank you Russ, Anthony, Rick, Dustin ( did you ever get more contacts on the system when you had it for sale?, don't want the carbs now. ) and Robert.......

With ya'll's encouragement, I was able to figure it out..... I believe I have the progressive rod adjusted such that both are wide-open throttle simultaneously.

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Posted By: hemi68charger

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/22/13 07:29 PM

from the front....

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Posted By: kissmyaspen

Re: HEMI owners with 2x4 Edelbrocks - 11/22/13 08:33 PM

I got one other guy but he wanted the whole set-up as well... you should be able to sell the carbs to someone. Sorry you had problems with it. Ill have to do something when I go to put it on my motor.
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