Best oil filter

Best oil filter - 10/09/13 02:51 AM

My oil filter keeps collasping need the best filter don't want to use a canister type. Heard that wix has a good filter. This is for a stroked 360 that is now a 410. Standard meling pump. Oil pressure is 80 psi and goes to 20psi

Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Best oil filter - 10/09/13 04:05 AM

yes Wix gets good reviews (on here) regularly. More info on what was happening with your prior ones collapsing

Posted By: CompSyn

Re: Best oil filter - 10/09/13 05:50 AM

The best oil filter is the Donaldson P169071

High Efficiency Industrial.

Cost is roughly three-times that of a Fram PH8A.

You get what you pay for -

Posted By: ademon

Re: Best oil filter - 10/09/13 06:18 AM

i like the Mobil 1 filter, thick canister, seems high quality and they are around $9 on sale.

Posted By: Jim_Lusk

Re: Best oil filter - 10/09/13 06:31 AM

I may not buy another WIX after my last oil change (although I did replace one WIX with another). My wife's '02 2.7 has about 68,000 miles. I replaced the filter and oil and a couple of days later the oil light was flickering at idle. I replaced the sending unit which did not fix it so I did the filter again. No more light and it's been almost a month. I'm not sure what I'll buy next, though.

Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Best oil filter - 10/09/13 03:41 PM

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The best oil filter is the Donaldson P169071 High Efficiency Industrial.

Who carries it & is it designed for racing or just more for high efficiency filtering?

Posted By: CompSyn

Re: Best oil filter - 10/09/13 04:43 PM

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The best oil filter is the Donaldson P169071 High Efficiency Industrial.

Who carries it & is it designed for racing or just more for high efficiency filtering?

Try your local Kaman Industrial supply house or there's places on-line like this - http://www.filterspro.com/detail.cfm?part=1700215

It's not designed for racing per say but it's a heavy-duty constructed oil filter.

That white filter media you see in the pic. That's Donaldson's proprietary Synteq Nano-glass filter media. It flows and filters significantly better than filters constructed with paper media or synthetic/paper blend.

It has a relief valve setting of 8-11 PSI, though it likely has a reduced likelihood of opening because of the superior flow characteristics of the filter media.

Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Best oil filter - 10/09/13 04:46 PM

got it, Thank you

Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Best oil filter - 10/09/13 07:01 PM

All the race filters bypass oil at a much lower pressure than the standard oil filters do. Do you want filtered oil or not?

I do want my oil filtered, not bypassed

I found out on a fuel filter that the finer the filter media the harder it is for the pump to suck fuel through it

Oil pumps push the oil through the filters so the finer the media the more the interanl restistance to flow in the filter so the internal pressure in the filter will increase making the byapss open sooner and longer

When one collasped I would want to know exactly why it collapsed

Oil is pushed through the the little holes on the outside edges of the filter and returned to the motor through the big center hole, I can't see or understand how one would collapse

I would find out why before running that motor again

Posted By: BDW

Re: Best oil filter - 10/09/13 07:33 PM

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Cost is roughly three-times that of a Fram PH8A.

You get what you pay for -

When is good, good enough? I'm sure there's a filter on the space shuttle we could adapt. Funny how millions of cars get by. You'd think there is an epidemic of engine failures from all these cheaply made faulty filters.

But hey, it's your money, do what makes you feel good.

Posted By: CompSyn

Re: Best oil filter - 10/09/13 11:36 PM

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Cost is roughly three-times that of a Fram PH8A.

You get what you pay for -

When is good, good enough? I'm sure there's a filter on the space shuttle we could adapt. Funny how millions of cars get by. You'd think there is an epidemic of engine failures from all these cheaply made faulty filters.

But hey, it's your money, do what makes you feel good.

Sure!

How many cubic inches is enough?

How much horsepower is enough?

Subjective questions.

The title of this thread, "Best oil filter".

How much filtering performance is enough?

Again, subjective.

Posted By: ek3

Re: Best oil filter - 10/10/13 01:04 AM

that "is" exactly the Question....however, to much oil pressure ,to heavy of weight of oil with a a cheap fine paper filter element @ cold temps and or improper bypass systems are the main causes for filter imploding - which was perceived to be a bad filter ... which I think ,led to this question.. I know, I paid my dues to learn.

Posted By: dOrk !

Re: Best oil filter - 10/10/13 01:09 AM

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How much filtering performance is enough?

CS ....just how much is REALLY NEEDED .... uNless your motor is coming apart ? ... have you ever cut apart a filter .... after one ...two ...three ...even TEN oil changes(after using the same filter) ?

Posted By: CompSyn

Re: Best oil filter - 10/10/13 02:06 AM

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How much filtering performance is enough?

CS ....just how much is REALLY NEEDED .... uNless your motor is coming apart ? ... have you ever cut apart a filter .... after one ...two ...three ...even TEN oil changes(after using the same filter) ?

One could buy the orange can from the big box store for four bucks and the engine will likely outlast the vehicle.

However, the question was not what oil filter will get me by. The question by the OP is "need the best filter"?

I answered the question.

Posted By: dOrk !

Re: Best oil filter - 10/10/13 09:10 AM

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How much filtering performance is enough?

CS ....just how much is REALLY NEEDED .... uNless your motor is coming apart ? ... have you ever cut apart a filter .... after one ...two ...three ...even TEN oil changes(after using the same filter) ?

One could buy the orange can from the big box store for four bucks and the engine will likely outlast the vehicle.

However, the question was not what oil filter will get me by. The question by the OP is "need the best filter"?

I answered the question.

Ole CS ...off the deep end again ....

...so you insinuate that these high dollar and uNnecessary neon-lite-up filters are off the deep-end toooooo ?

Posted By: a12superbee

Re: Best oil filter - 10/10/13 09:15 AM

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How much filtering performance is enough?

CS ....just how much is REALLY NEEDED .... uNless your motor is coming apart ? ... have you ever cut apart a filter .... after one ...two ...three ...even TEN oil changes(after using the same filter) ?

One could buy the orange can from the big box store for four bucks and the engine will likely outlast the vehicle.

However, the question was not what oil filter will get me by. The question by the OP is "need the best filter"?

I answered the question.

I'm glad you did, not that I'm that worried my napa golds aren't good enough, just good to know what is available.
And really, 3Xs the cost of a fram is what, 12-15 bucks?

Posted By: 360view

Re: Best oil filter - 10/10/13 02:00 PM

oil filters were originally there to prolong piston ring life

now oil filters allow hydraulic lifters to continue to operate

journal bearings are much more tolerant of particles in the oil, particularly carbon particles

i have never read a scientific paper that clearly shows whether finely filtered oil is the dominating factor that prolongs piston ring and bore wall wear rates,
or whether it is the film strength of the lube oil that dominates

i have read scientific papers from aircraft engine maker Continental that claimed that coolant temperatures around 200 F keep corrosive chemicals in the exhaust hot enough to be gases rather than hot liquid acids, and that this reduces corrosion and prolongs bore wall life

Posted By: BDW

Re: Best oil filter - 10/10/13 06:34 PM

And really, 3Xs the cost of a fram is what, 12-15 bucks?

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I can't afford this.
mark

I love your signature, apparently you can afford this? Haha

Posted By: CompSyn

Re: Best oil filter - 10/11/13 03:44 AM

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...so you insinuate that these high dollar and uNnecessary neon-lite-up filters are off the deep-end toooooo ?

Not at all.

I pay three-times as much for the Donaldson but I use it four-times longer than what a typical entry-level filter would be used.

The Donaldson is a heavy-duty endurance filter. So I'm using it for what it's designed for. Plus I've got a better flowing, better filtering filter throughout the run.

It's what I consider value-per-dollar.

Posted By: CompSyn

Re: Best oil filter - 10/11/13 04:07 AM

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oil filters were originally there to prolong piston ring life

now oil filters allow hydraulic lifters to continue to operate

journal bearings are much more tolerant of particles in the oil, particularly carbon particles

i have never read a scientific paper that clearly shows whether finely filtered oil is the dominating factor that prolongs piston ring and bore wall wear rates,
or whether it is the film strength of the lube oil that dominates

i have read scientific papers from aircraft engine maker Continental that claimed that coolant temperatures around 200 F keep corrosive chemicals in the exhaust hot enough to be gases rather than hot liquid acids, and that this reduces corrosion and prolongs bore wall life

An SAE study showed a correlation in engine wear rates between oil filters of varying efficiencies.

For the Diesel study, the results were in terms of Piston Pin, Compression Ring #3, Main Bearings and Rod Bearings.

For the Gasoline engine study, the results were in terms of Upper Main Bearing, Lower Main Bearing, Upper Rod Bearing, and Lower Rod Bearing.

Just because an engine can last 250k with just about any oil filter you throw at it, doesn�t mean it�s optimized.

References: Staley, David R. �Correlating Lube Oil Filtration Efficiencies with Engine Wear,� SAE 881825 - Link HERE

Posted By: a12superbee

Re: Best oil filter - 10/11/13 08:13 AM

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And really, 3Xs the cost of a fram is what, 12-15 bucks?

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I can't afford this.
mark

I love your signature, apparently you can afford this? Haha

I suppose you got me.
Yes I can afford a 15 dollar filter, no I cannot afford a 50k restoration on a car I beat stupid like a teenager on his first foray into 'self discovery'.

As mentioned, it's about value, not simply 'cost'.

Posted By: 360view

Re: Best oil filter - 10/11/13 08:15 PM

I will try to read that 1998 paper.

If it is true that going from
40 micron to 15 micron particles in circulating oil
reduces journal bearing wear 70%,
then perhaps the taxi drivers
who use cheap oil,
change it every 500 miles,
and burn the used oil in a special waste oil furnace during winter
were not so crazy after all?