318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting?

Posted By: 340duster340

318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/19/13 02:54 AM

motor is 318 from a 85 chrysler 5th ave, it will be going into a 66 dart with an aluminum intake/cam/lifter package. basically just need to reseal, it but figured best to double check before i order the parts.

Engine : Oil Pump
SEALED POWER Part # 2244166
$27.79 $27.79

Engine : Engine Kit Gasket Set
FEL-PRO Part # KS2114 Kit Set
Incl. Prem. Valve Stem Seals; Salon Engine VIN S; SE Model Engine VIN P; Salon Engine VIN 4; Salon Engine VIN P
$44.79 $44.79

Engine : Timing Set
CLOYES Part # C3028 Includes: Cam, Crank, Chain
Includes: Cam, Crank, Chain; Double Roller Type Chain; Heavy Duty Engine

Posted By: Supercuda

Re: 318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/19/13 03:07 AM

Brass freeze plugs, do it now or you will do it when the engine is in the car.

Maybe a cam, the cheap summit cam is an update over the stock one. But your 318 might be a roller cam motor, mid 85 is the time frame, you can still run a flat tappet cam in it,but you'd need the pushrods for an earlier 318.

I would eyeball the bearings while you have the pan off. Other than that, I can;t think of anything.

Posted By: 340SHORTY

Re: 318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/19/13 03:49 AM

A stroker crank..

Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/19/13 04:31 AM

Was this motor already in the 66 dart or is it being pulled out of the 85 then refreshed then swapped into the 66 for the first time?. The 392 "center" sump (more toward the front but is called a center sump) pan has the sump about an inch further rearward then the other one I have (I forget the #) & they use different pickups. Not sure if that will be an issue or not (I will check the pan # on my 65 dart/80's 318 tomorrow & the clearance) but something to keep in mind as you wouldn't want to get 1 foot away from having the eng on the mounts then have a problem with that. To answer your Q if the pickup is moderately clogged & wont clean out I'd get a new one. I would replace the rod bearings since it is so easy to do (unless they're pristine) & pull a main cap & see what it looks like. Eng inverted on the stand-Cork side pan gaskets go OVER the end black neoprene seal on the rear & go under the black neoprene seal on the front. Might use a thick wide/even swath of clear silicone on brake kleened front/rear block/intake surfaces instead of the supplied gaskets (most are too thick) & can hold the intake up just a hair & cause a front water port leak over time (let the silicone sit up overnight). I'd suggest the composite intake gaskets sprayed with part # 99MA Permatex "high tack" the red spray. Goes on light/even & is extremely tacky & seals very well & holds the gaskets in place. The black felpro "printo seal" gaskets with the blue borders around the ports are the best ones. Get a good timing set (after you install it dot to dot then turn it to 6/12 so you can put the rotor on #1 plug wire (easier to remember) & as you know you want that new cam to fire immediately. EDIT Meant to say 12/12 o'clock

Posted By: 340duster340

Re: 318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/19/13 05:01 AM

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Brass freeze plugs, do it now or you will do it when the engine is in the car.

Maybe a cam, the cheap summit cam is an update over the stock one. But your 318 might be a roller cam motor, mid 85 is the time frame, you can still run a flat tappet cam in it,but you'd need the pushrods for an earlier 318.

I would eyeball the bearings while you have the pan off. Other than that, I can;t think of anything.

i am going with a summit cam/intake/lifter package that i bought either off moparts or fabo, so that is all taken care of. i looked over all the freeze plugs and they are good, but i will probably replace them anyways because they are cheap and the engine is out already so it will be easy.

the motor was running and driving (and i drove it) in the donor car and so far the motor is looking really clean in the inside; but yes will crack the caps and take a look at the bearings for good measure.

this will be a temporary place holder while my 360 is being built. right now the car does not move on its own power and i have 4 more weeks off before starting the new job so i want to stab this 318 and call it a day.

Posted By: 340duster340

Re: 318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/19/13 05:06 AM

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Was this motor already in the 66 dart or is it being pulled out of the 85 then refreshed then swapped into the 66 for the first time?. The 392 "center" sump (more toward the front but is called a center sump) pan has the sump about an inch further rearward then the other one I have (I forget the #) & they use different pickups. Not sure if that will be an issue or not (I will check the pan # on my 65 dart/80's 318 tomorrow & the clearance) but something to keep in mind as you wouldn't want to get 1 foot away from having the eng on the mounts then have a problem with that. To answer your Q if the pickup is moderately clogged & wont clean out I'd get a new one. I would replace the rod bearings since it is so easy to do (unless they're pristine) & pull a main cap & see what it looks like. Eng inverted on the stand-Cork side pan gaskets go OVER the end black neoprene seal on the rear & go under the black neoprene seal on the front. Might use a thick wide/even swath of clear silicone on brake kleened front/rear block/intake surfaces instead of the supplied gaskets (most are too thick) & can hold the intake up just a hair & cause a front water port leak over time (let the silicone sit up overnight). I'd suggest the composite intake gaskets sprayed with part # 99MA Permatex "high tack" the red spray. Goes on light/even & is extremely tacky & seals very well & holds the gaskets in place. The black felpro "printo seal" gaskets with the blue borders around the ports are the best ones. Get a good timing set (after you install it dot to dot then turn it to 6/12 so you can put the rotor on #1 plug wire (easier to remember) & as you know you want that new cam to fire immediately

motor was from the donor car, the 66 dart still has the original 273, i plan on swapping all the engine accessories, manifolds, timing cover, oil pan/pick up and water pump from the 273 to the 318

for the timing set i am going with a new double roller.

thanks, i will keep you guys updated when i get this thing together.

Posted By: 340duster340

Re: 318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/19/13 05:06 AM

* and i did remember to plug the emissions ports on the heads.

Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/19/13 05:47 AM

meant to say 12/12 O'clock then set the rotor under #1 plug wire

Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/19/13 02:21 PM

If the 66 273 K frame is the same as the 64 the driver side motor mount will need altered or you won't be able to use all three bolts.The mount has to go on the opposite side of the lugs on the block.

Posted By: Supercuda

Re: 318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/19/13 03:54 PM

When I was mocking up the 87 318 to go into my 65 Cuda I noticed that the driver's side head needed some grinding for the stock exhaust manifold to sit flat. Also the exhaust port/manifold overlap is real thin. The later ports are larger and the manifold will just barely overlap. I ended up using steel shim exhaust manifold gaskets so they wouldn't blow out. Look closely at that.

As for freeze plugs, they tend to rust from the inside out, so they look good til just before they blow.

Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/19/13 04:03 PM

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If the 66 273 K frame is the same as the 64

They're the same 64-66 273 or /6 (A body). Very likely the /6 '63 K is the same also

Posted By: 340duster340

Re: 318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/20/13 01:13 AM

i am going to run the HIPO 340 manifolds so i can get the exhaust bent up for the 360 that will go in its place.

i will keep an eye out for the motor mount fitment.

also ordering the parts today/tomorrow so will keep you posted on the build.

Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/20/13 01:31 AM

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i am going to run the HIPO 340 manifolds.

One guy had to shorten the manual steering coupler to clear the manifold. There's a great variation in stackup of tolerances on those. If I ran into that I'd try a ps shaft then get the firm feel adapter shaft coupler. The inner shafts interchange easily to go from manual to power (63-66 A) so you can keep your current outer column.

Posted By: Supercuda

Re: 318 freshen up -- parts order, what am i forgetting? - 09/20/13 01:48 AM

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i am going to run the HIPO 340 manifolds so i can get the exhaust bent up for the 360 that will go in its place.

i will keep an eye out for the motor mount fitment.

also ordering the parts today/tomorrow so will keep you posted on the build.

I'd mock up the manifolds since the 340's never had air injection port and material was added to that area in later heads. Might not be an issue, but if it is grinding the heads is easier on the stand than in the engine compartment.