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Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please?

Posted By: Dart 340

Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/25/08 05:51 PM

Quick question on preload for Crane rockers. My cam
(edelbrock) says to adjust rocker arms as follows:

When no 1 cylinder exhaust valve starts to move up,
adjust intake rocker arm to zero clearance between rocker and valve tip. Turn adjusting screw down 1/4 turn more for final adjustment.

They are hydraulic rockers. This seems a little vague and error prone dont you think? So is there a better way, and should the pushrods be snug to tight at TDC or should they both be loose?

Someone with real experience please?
Posted By: 70AARcuda

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/25/08 06:25 PM

hydraulic lifters use preload...

you turn your adjuster until all the slack is gone in the adjuster, then preload the lifter..as noted 1/4 turn.

you can use edelbrock method of determining went to adjust a valve or you can use the valve lash sequence that mopar has which ever you like...
Posted By: BigBlockMopar

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/25/08 10:41 PM

The problem with setting preload on hydraulic lifters is that you can be dealing with already bled-down lifters AND lifters that still have some oil in them.

You'll have to get the feel for it when a lifter is really bled-down, or still has some amount of oil in it which is resisting further travel of the lifter-cup and will start to push open a valve.
Once you get 'the feel' in your fingers you can set the preload practically with your eyes closed.
Posted By: Dart 340

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/25/08 10:45 PM

These sat over night. I was basically verifying they
were set right when I bought it. At TDC on all cylinders I can spin the pushrods. I would guess this is close as it will make sure they are fully closing.
Posted By: mark7171

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/25/08 11:26 PM

you primed the engine's oil pump, right ?

do it while someone turns the crankshaft slowly. the lifters will be filled.
Posted By: Dart 340

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/25/08 11:36 PM

Quote:

you primed the engine's oil pump, right ?

do it while someone turns the crankshaft slowly. the lifters will be filled.




I was the one turning it slowly.........
I used a dial indicator to find exact TDC and could
lightly spin the pushrods. They were the same of all
cylinders. I drive it last night and turned the crank by hand today as I was finding tdc for all cylinders. Would that be close enough?
Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/26/08 01:50 AM

Quote:

Quick question on preload for Crane rockers. My cam
(edelbrock) says to adjust rocker arms as follows:

When no 1 cylinder exhaust valve starts to move up,
adjust intake rocker arm to zero clearance between rocker and valve tip. Turn adjusting screw down 1/4 turn more for final adjustment.

They are hydraulic rockers. This seems a little vague and error prone dont you think? So is there a better way, and should the pushrods be snug to tight at TDC or should they both be loose?

Someone with real experience please?




Note, Applies only to individual cylinders:

When Exhaust starts to open, intake lifter is on cam base (completly off the lobe), so you can adjust the intake valve lash.

When Intake closes, adjust exhaust lash (same reason.)

If you can verify TDC of Compression stroke (not overlap), you can adjust both intake and exhaust valves.

The Adjuster screws are 24TPI so one turn = 0.04167"

If you remove the freeplay, you should be at zero pre-load and the inner piston of the lifter should be all the way up to retaining clip.
Adding an additional 1/4 turn should depress the lifter piston 0.01042". This is the spec often used to get maximum performance, but most cam/lifter suppliers spec 0.020" to 0.060" of lifter pre-load. I would use 1/2 turn pre-load or more unless you plan to re-check the valve adjustment ofter engine break-in. Also when running with small amounts of pre-load it is recommended to use the "C"-clip type lifter retainers, not the wire type retainers.
Posted By: Dart 340

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/26/08 04:18 AM

Isnt too much preload worse than not enough?

Verified TDC of compression stroke there is not
rocker free play, should be good to go?
Posted By: 70AARcuda

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/26/08 05:05 AM

too much preload and the valves will not shut.
Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/26/08 06:54 AM

way too much pre-load and true the valves will not close at all. I think there is over 0.120" travel in the hydraulic piston travel.
Posted By: mark7171

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/26/08 01:16 PM

nahh at, +90 +90 on a hydraulic lifter adjustment, is fine. check them after a heat cycle anyways. the oil psi is #60lbs -/+, the pushrod will sink and the valve will close, because the spring pressure will overcome it.

the oil pressure keeps them even. adjustments keep them even.

on a cold HP hyd. cammed engine with lifters that have bled down, on start up it will "lifter clack" until psi builds in the lifter. that is normal after 1/2 " of high performance valve lift.
Posted By: Dart 340

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/26/08 02:47 PM

Quote:

nahh at, +90 +90 on a hydraulic lifter adjustment, is fine. check them after a heat cycle anyways. the oil psi is #60lbs -/+, the pushrod will sink and the valve will close, because the spring pressure will overcome it.

the oil pressure keeps them even. adjustments keep them even.

on a cold HP hyd. cammed engine with lifters that have bled down, on start up it will "lifter clack" until psi builds in the lifter. that is normal after 1/2 " of high performance valve lift.




So the question is does it sound like my preload is set ok then?
Posted By: Dart 340

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/26/08 02:51 PM

Quote:

nahh at, +90 +90 on a hydraulic lifter adjustment, is fine. check them after a heat cycle anyways. the oil psi is #60lbs -/+, the pushrod will sink and the valve will close, because the spring pressure will overcome it.

the oil pressure keeps them even. adjustments keep them even.

on a cold HP hyd. cammed engine with lifters that have bled down, on start up it will "lifter clack" until psi builds in the lifter. that is normal after 1/2 " of high performance valve lift.




mark, this is the nasty edelbrock cam you were helping with in my hesitation an low rpm post. Lots of overlap on this one. Still pulls 120 cranking pressure if that helps
Posted By: mark7171

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/26/08 04:03 PM

are you affraid you'll coil bind with the performer cam, and bottom out the lifter ? im not. if you had a light twisting effort on the pushrod at addjustment. then went +90, and again +90 more for preload, it will NOT BOTTOM OUT (opening the valve), or FALL OUT at high rpm.

the cam is mild enough should have no geometery problems..

Posted By: Dart 340

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/26/08 09:06 PM

I dont have any valve or lifter clatter so I would
guess it's ok for now. Mark are you saying the spring pressure will overcome the pump up of the lifters?
Posted By: MoparforLife

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/27/08 12:20 AM

Make sure that when doing this that the lifter is on the base circle of the cam. Proper preload cannot be accomplished it it is not.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/27/08 02:51 AM

If you've run the engine and after sitting all night you can "SPIN" the pushrods at TDC on each valve, you have no preload. Here's how to develop the feel you need to do this right. Bring #1 intake up to TDC and back off the adjustment until you can shake the pushrod up and down. Then, while still moving the pushrod, slowly turn the adjuster until the pushrod "JUST" won't move up and down,then turn the pushrod. This point is zero lash. While you continue to try and turn the pushrod turn the adjuster whatever additional the cam grinder says is appropriate. After doing this a few times you will develop the feel and the proper technique.
Posted By: Dart 340

Re: Crane Gold adjustable rocker preload help please? - 05/27/08 01:33 PM

Quote:

If you've run the engine and after sitting all night you can "SPIN" the pushrods at TDC on each valve, you have no preload. Here's how to develop the feel you need to do this right. Bring #1 intake up to TDC and back off the adjustment until you can shake the pushrod up and down. Then, while still moving the pushrod, slowly turn the adjuster until the pushrod "JUST" won't move up and down,then turn the pushrod. This point is zero lash. While you continue to try and turn the pushrod turn the adjuster whatever additional the cam grinder says is appropriate. After doing this a few times you will develop the feel and the proper technique.




Is this with engine cold or hot? Expansion, lifter pump up etc changes from cold to hot engine.
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