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so I am wrenching on my friends car today

Posted By: Pyper70

so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/10/13 11:18 PM

I look at what people told him to get...this post it going to get updated a few times....He tells me this was his harmonic brand new http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pfs-80013

The engine have 350 miles on it...not only is it not black anymore, the white lines are gone and it has the onset of rust beginning...needless to say I couldnt time the engine. I had to remove the balancer so we can clean it up, paint it and then affix timing tape to it..How can a balancer lose ALL its paint in not even 500 miles?
Posted By: Pyper70

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/10/13 11:27 PM

....and this was the camshaft

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-mtd-2/overview/

for a 6000 lb car....have a single plane intake, 3000 holeshot, 3.23 gears and a holley 750 double pumper....whoever told him to purchase a .440 lift cam needs to have his skull inspected. I had a 440 lift camshaft on my slant 6...

Worse than that....the last "mechanic" removed the thermostat so it didnt overheat, leaned out his mixture and the plugs were black as coal, and removed the kickdown linkage because "it doesnt do anything special....its a gimmick"...He saw me gapping the champions and he asked me what I was doing....and that he has never seen anyone gap a plug before in Greece....i feel all alone here
Posted By: OzHemi

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/10/13 11:27 PM

chinese "paint" is inferior quality.
Posted By: Pyper70

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/10/13 11:31 PM

and I need assistance with this ECU...its supposedly from the 70s and old stock from the military base....I have never seen such a color or design but it had the factory ecu harness on it...can anyone shed some light on it?

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Posted By: JohnRR

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/11/13 04:23 AM

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and I need assistance with this ECU...its supposedly from the 70s and old stock from the military base....I have never seen such a color or design but it had the factory ecu harness on it...can anyone shed some light on it?



some type of stock replacement , be glad it's NOT an ORANGE box
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/11/13 04:48 AM

I have learned :
ANYONE can buy a bunch of parts and build an engine.
It takes an expert to make all those parts work together in harmony.
Your buddy is fortunate to have you to help.
Posted By: Pyper70

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/11/13 09:18 AM

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I have learned :
ANYONE can buy a bunch of parts and build an engine.
It takes an expert to make all those parts work together in harmony.
Your buddy is fortunate to have you to help.



Far from an expert...just trying to make the parts he has already work together. I have to buy some distributor springs so I can dial in his dizzy. Told him he IS buying a Bouchillon kickdown kit. Once I get him back to the basics...I will adjust UP...one at a time and see how she goes. He has a desire to learn but no one really shows him because they don't have the patience. I want him to learn so he can pass it on to his newborn son one day. We all have to start sometime right?

I am gonna go try and find some info on that Blue ECU contraption....he was eyeballing my MSD 6AL and blaster coil but I told him no...not yet....lets get one variable working before we add a wildcard.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/11/13 12:42 PM

be a friend and SHOW him how to work on it
Posted By: Pyper70

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/11/13 12:50 PM

Oh I am...I told him that before we started...he is a big boy though, can't crawl under the car or anything but the step by step tuning procedures...he is going to do them with my tools. I would limit his engine on horsepower so he can grow accustomed to it bit by bit but the camshaft he was told to get will pretty much act like a governor for him until he decides he wants to bump up to the 509 cam.
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/11/13 01:02 PM

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I look at what people told him to get...this post it going to get updated a few times....He tells me this was his harmonic brand new http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pfs-80013

The engine have 350 miles on it...not only is it not black anymore, the white lines are gone and it has the onset of rust beginning...needless to say I couldnt time the engine. I had to remove the balancer so we can clean it up, paint it and then affix timing tape to it..How can a balancer lose ALL its paint in not even 500 miles?



You get what you pay for...81 dollars, what do you expect?
Posted By: Pyper70

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/11/13 02:23 PM

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I look at what people told him to get...this post it going to get updated a few times....He tells me this was his harmonic brand new http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pfs-80013

The engine have 350 miles on it...not only is it not black anymore, the white lines are gone and it has the onset of rust beginning...needless to say I couldnt time the engine. I had to remove the balancer so we can clean it up, paint it and then affix timing tape to it..How can a balancer lose ALL its paint in not even 500 miles?



You get what you pay for...81 dollars, what do you expect?

I couldn't agree more...I have an original Harmonic on mine and a FluidDampr for my 505....you DO get what you pay for
Posted By: mikemee1331

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/11/13 02:44 PM

that ECU looks fimiliar.... i think i put one on my cousin's pickup truck way back in the 70's. i would have bought it from National Auto back then since it was the closest parts store.
Posted By: Pyper70

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/11/13 04:41 PM

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that ECU looks fimiliar.... i think i put one on my cousin's pickup truck way back in the 70's. i would have bought it from National Auto back then since it was the closest parts store.



Scoured the net and couldn't find anything....I know its asking alot but could you go to National Auto for me?

Just kidding

I am assuming its only of those Post-74 lean burn modules
Posted By: cjskotni

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/11/13 05:05 PM

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for a 6000 lb car....have a single plane intake, 3000 holeshot, 3.23 gears and a holley 750 double pumper....whoever told him to purchase a .440 lift cam needs to have his skull inspected. I had a 440 lift camshaft on my slant 6...



Nothing wrong with a cam like that...nice and tame and will make for a nice smooth cruising engine. For a 6000 lbs car, it will need the low end that cam will give. That being said the rest of the parts are mis-matched. With that cam, I'd stick with the stock converter or maybe 2000 stall max. Also, a dual plane intake would have matched that cam more than a single plane which will hurt the low end that cam is optimized for.

Also, if the plugs are soot black, it is (was) running rich, not lean. Whitish plugs indicate a lean condition.
Posted By: Pyper70

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/11/13 05:24 PM

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for a 6000 lb car....have a single plane intake, 3000 holeshot, 3.23 gears and a holley 750 double pumper....whoever told him to purchase a .440 lift cam needs to have his skull inspected. I had a 440 lift camshaft on my slant 6...



Nothing wrong with a cam like that...nice and tame and will make for a nice smooth cruising engine. For a 6000 lbs car, it will need the low end that cam will give. That being said the rest of the parts are mis-matched. With that cam, I'd stick with the stock converter or maybe 2000 stall max. Also, a dual plane intake would have matched that cam more than a single plane which will hurt the low end that cam is optimized for.

Also, if the plugs are soot black, it is (was) running rich, not lean. Whitish plugs indicate a lean condition.



I know about the plugs...I was laughing when he told me the other guy leaned out the engine and the plugs were black...Told me that the other guy didn't know his head from his...well..yeah...I would have liked to see a Performer RPM on the engine, a 2200 stall converter, and a slightly larger cam...at least a 474 Purple shaft. Gonna leave the single plane on there for now...down the line...maybe he has more cash flow and wants to change it and he can sell the old Holley Intake to a schmoe
Posted By: dogdays

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/11/13 05:59 PM

"The old Holley Intake" sounds like a Street Dominator to me and that's not a bad intake. With that cam it should work pretty well.
R.
Posted By: Jwilli500

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/11/13 06:30 PM

I ordered one of those, based on recomendation by Mopar Action, a few weeks ago and the paint was trashed when I opened it. Poor paint quality and poor packaging did it in. Sent it right back.
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I look at what people told him to get...this post it going to get updated a few times....He tells me this was his harmonic brand new http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pfs-80013

The engine have 350 miles on it...not only is it not black anymore, the white lines are gone and it has the onset of rust beginning...needless to say I couldnt time the engine. I had to remove the balancer so we can clean it up, paint it and then affix timing tape to it..How can a balancer lose ALL its paint in not even 500 miles?

Posted By: Golden-Arm

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/12/13 01:24 AM

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How can a balancer lose ALL its paint in not even 500 miles?



because it wasn't painted, it was anodized. it's metal basically covered with another type of spray on metal.
Posted By: 440newport

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/12/13 01:47 AM

I wouldn't be concerned about the blue ECU, it's probably just some brand of parts store replacement. That cam is a little small for most, but should work well in that car with 3.23's. Does the balancer have a groove to indicate TDC, or is it just painted?

Also there's no way a '58 Plymouth weighs 6000 pounds unless there's 1500+ lbs of bondo on it. It's a little wider, but not really any bigger than your Charger.
Posted By: hp383

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/12/13 01:58 AM

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and I need assistance with this ECU...its supposedly from the 70s and old stock from the military base....I have never seen such a color or design but it had the factory ecu harness on it...can anyone shed some light on it?



some type of stock replacement , be glad it's NOT an ORANGE box



My guess would maybe be that is some sort of Marine use ECU... Maybe thats where the "military" came in = Marine?
Posted By: Pyper70

Re: so I am wrenching on my friends car today - 07/12/13 03:35 PM

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Also there's no way a '58 Plymouth weighs 6000 pounds unless there's 1500+ lbs of bondo on it. It's a little wider, but not really any bigger than your Charger.



I exaggerate a bit sometimes....its a land yacht nontheless. alot more body panels on that thing to cover.

As for the balancer and its grooves...I think it has 4 grooves...one every 90 degrees. I will have to compare it to a duplicate that was accidentally sent and line the timing tape based off the crankshaft key location.

The military base here was the Naval base back in the 70s/80s...when the Americans were here in force protecting the Mediterranean when there was a Libyan conflict.
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