Aluminum wheels that look like steelies?

Posted By: OzHemi

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/07/13 04:15 AM

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Why in the name of all-that-is-holy can't anyone make a 15" aluminum copy of a 1970 Rallye wheel?????? IS THIS JUST TOO MUCH TO ASK?

Wide open market to whoever is listening: I'd buy at least 4 sets tommorow.

No problem...I can have cast aluminum wheel center molds made(once you have something to go off of)...runs you about $9,000ish for the mold, plus then to make each center from that. Then just weld them into standard aluminum outers.

Posted By: Grizzly

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/07/13 04:17 AM

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Take a Midol why don'cha. No one is forcing you to buy those wheels

I think that AAR looks killer. You realise that if modern 17" tires would have been available in '70 they would ABSOLUTELY have been running then. Jeeze

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Y'know, if Year One did aluminum rallyes in 15's they would outsell the 17's by probably 50 to 1.

I can count on one hand the number of members on this board who have posted that they own a set of the Year One 17's. Pretty dismal numbers if I'm sitting at the bosses' chair over at YO.

Yep, they're kinda neat to look at but destined for the swap meet table in about 5 years time. I dunno, I thought lots of people would buy them but it just isn't the case.

Modern wheels belong on modern cars. I won't give up the 17, 18, and 20's that are on the rest of my new vehicles, but I'll burn in hell before they wind up anywhere near my old girls.

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You'll be famous if you do it, Oz. Not that you aren't already, of course.

Oh, I've thought of it for a long time, but my biggest roadblock is the liability/testing and the rest of the red tape that would have to go into the safety and certification aspects of something like this. It's a wheel and it better not fly apart on someone at 140 mph.

But, yeah, bruttaly simple idea, I've got tons of 'em.

Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/08/13 12:44 AM

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No problem...I can have cast aluminum wheel center molds made(once you have something to go off of)...runs you about $9,000ish for the mold, plus then to make each center from that. Then just weld them into standard aluminum outers.

As a preface, I am not an engineer, I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn Express.

But I doubt a cast wheel could faithfully represent a pressed steel rim. Somehow the cast seems to weak to be as thin as the steel version.

Posted By: carcrazyguy

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/08/13 02:36 AM

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Nope, we get to have our choice of Year One's 17" wheel. Because nothing looks more at home on an AAR 'Cuda than rubber-band tires.

Or order a tire that is bigger than what YO used in the ad.

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Posted By: it's Bob

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/08/13 02:59 AM

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Nope, we get to have our choice of Year One's 17" wheel. Because nothing looks more at home on an AAR 'Cuda than rubber-band tires.

Or order a tire that is bigger than what YO used in the ad.

Wow! that Charger is really up in the air. The rocker panel is nearly wheel hub high. Do you feel this stance effects the handling of the car? Really nice looking Charger on the whole, just sitting up pretty high off the ground.

Posted By: carcrazyguy

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/08/13 03:01 AM

Because it is 4wd.....

Never put a tape to it but sitting next to my 71 Dart which is sitting on 14" rallyes.....they are pretty close to the same height. Only driven the Charger around the block (one block). I plan to drive it and work out a few bugs then I will start messing with getting the stance I want.

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Posted By: it's Bob

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/08/13 03:22 AM

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Because it is 4wd.....

Oh, well that explains it!

(yes, I know he is kidding)

Good luck with the test drives and the shake down cruise!

Posted By: patrick

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/10/13 12:10 PM

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Take a Midol why don'cha. No one is forcing you to buy those wheels I think that AAR looks killer. You realise that if modern 17" tires would have been available in '70 they would ABSOLUTELY have been running then. Jeeze

Indeed.

Y'know, if Year One did aluminum rallyes in 15's they would outsell the 17's by probably 50 to 1.

I can count on one hand the number of members on this board who have posted that they own a set of the Year One 17's. Pretty dismal numbers if I'm sitting at the bosses' chair over at YO.

Yep, they're kinda neat to look at but destined for the swap meet table in about 5 years time. I dunno, I thought lots of people would buy them but it just isn't the case.

Modern wheels belong on modern cars. I won't give up the 17, 18, and 20's that are on the rest of my new vehicles, but I'll burn in hell before they wind up anywhere near my old girls.

*Edit*

You'll be famous if you do it, Oz. Not that you aren't already, of course.

Oh, I've thought of it for a long time, but my biggest roadblock is the liability/testing and the rest of the red tape that would have to go into the safety and certification aspects of something like this. It's a wheel and it better not fly apart on someone at 140 mph.

But, yeah, bruttaly simple idea, I've got tons of 'em.

I wouldn't buy 15" aluminum rallyes, personally....because it's getting harder and harder to find decent performance tires in a 15" rim that is tall enough for classic muscle cars....

where YO screwed up is not having an 18" version of this wheel with around 20mm positive offset in a 5x115mm bolt pattern...you'd sell a ton of them to late model challenger owners....

and a 235/55R17 or 255/50R17 still have plenty of sidewall...they're 27" tall, so you have 5" sidewall, and avoid the "rubber band" look

Posted By: patrick

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/10/13 12:20 PM

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No problem...I can have cast aluminum wheel center molds made(once you have something to go off of)...runs you about $9,000ish for the mold, plus then to make each center from that. Then just weld them into standard aluminum outers.

As a preface, I am not an engineer, I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn Express.

But I doubt a cast wheel could faithfully represent a pressed steel rim. Somehow the cast seems to weak to be as thin as the steel version.

aluminum has a much lower modulus of elasticity, IIRC roughly 1/3 that of steel, so to get equal stiffness, the cross section would need to be thicker....you could add the thickness with ribs on the backside to minimize additional weight.

Posted By: BigBlockMopar

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/10/13 01:54 PM

I'm sure he is talking about a cast aluminium COVER.
It doesn't need that much strength, other than resisting cracking at the lugnuts. It's purpose is just to mimmick a stocksteel wheel.

On the other hand, I'm not sure it is such a good idea having cast add-on items being flung around on all wheels while driving. Let alone driving fast. With a few hairline cracks for instance it could in time crack and shatter the cover and cause it to be flung away with great energy and damage as a result.

A stock-like stamped wheelcenter made from sheetmetal would work nicely aswell as a cover.

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/10/13 02:04 PM

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Yep, they're kinda neat to look at but destined for the swap meet table in about 5 years time. I dunno, I thought lots of people would buy them but it just isn't the case.

I would have purchased some but they are too big to put on a Duster without trimming away metal for tire clearance. If they made 15's I'd own a set. I think they targeted the "meat" of the market (68-71 B&E body cars). Too bad because I know a lot of people who'd buy them if they were offered in a smaller size.

Posted By: TC@HP2

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/10/13 04:21 PM

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Kinda rusty for aluminum. Looks like the steel 16 hole wheels used on late 70s B and C bodies.

I had a set of those and while they do look like steel, they certianly aren't. Problem is they are only 6" wide.

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Circle Wheel is making some in Chevy style, don't know about Mopar

These....

http://www.circleracing.com/108oe.htm

So have your axles and rotors drilled for chevy bolt pattern and use em.

Posted By: BigBlockMopar

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/10/13 09:10 PM

Something like this should be made with a Mopar-design...

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Posted By: abodyjoe

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/10/13 09:22 PM

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Circle Wheel is making some in Chevy style, don't know about Mopar

These....

http://www.circleracing.com/108oe.htm

man i would love a set of those in a mopar pattern that would accept the red line dog dishes. i would paint those body color . much rather have the 17" alum wheel like that then a 15" steel wheel that i'm gonna have to use to get the look that jamie wants for her dart.

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Posted By: Pale_Roader

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 06/13/13 11:38 AM

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Nope, we get to have our choice of Year One's 17" wheel. Because nothing looks more at home on an AAR 'Cuda than rubber-band tires.

Or order a tire that is bigger than what YO used in the ad.

Damn... now that looks good!

Posted By: 65Fury440

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/10/22 03:24 AM

Resurrecting this old thread to see if there are any new products on the market,
Reseach shows two manufacturers, but really pricey, and the smallest diameter is 17".

http://www.circleracing.com/108.html

https://forgeline.com/latest-news/o...w-available-directly-from-forgeline.html

Posted By: BigDaddy440

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/10/22 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by 65Fury440

Wow, you weren't kidding when you said "really pricey".

Posted By: A12

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/10/22 05:14 AM

If they made them in 14" and 15" would they be F.A.S.T and Stock class legal?

Posted By: John Brown

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/10/22 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by A12

If they made them in 14" and 15" would they be F.A.S.T and Stock class legal?

About 2006, I saw a pair of 15 inch aluminum 'steelies' on a car at the Year One F.A.S.T. race in Atlanta. It was a high dollar car, but it still couldn't cut the mustard. Ain't naming names, cause I really dont know whose car they were on. Legal? Rules say no, butt....

www.fastdrags.com/fast-rules

14.00 TIRES AND WHEELS AND BRAKES

14.01 Wheels must be correct*, including correct* diameter, width and material.

Note: Width may be upgraded to a maximum of 6”, if the correct* wheel is narrower than that. Reproduction wheels OK.

14.02 All 4 wheels and tires must be same size.

Exception: Mopar TA Challenger came from factory with G-60’s on rear and F-60’s on front.

14.03 Original equipment reproduction bias-ply tires only. No soft compound tires of any kind are allowed.

Retread tires are not allowed. Any car is allowed to upgrade to a maximum size tire of G-70 of the correct* wheel diameter.

All cars that were originally available with a 60 series tire can upgrade to a maximum size of G-60 tire of the correct* wheel diameter.

Exception: First time F.A.S.T. participants are allowed to run normal ’non-sticky’ street radials for their first F.A.S.T. race.

14.04 Aftermarket or OEM brake upgrades are allowed for safety concerns. Every effort should be made to achieve a stock appearance.

14.05 Line locks are allowed if hidden.

Stock class rules say factory rims, so light weight rims not allowed there either.... but know that it has happened in the distant past.

Posted By: A12

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/10/22 05:38 PM

THANKS !

Mike

Posted By: A12

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/10/22 05:52 PM

On tire sizes can I go from E70 14"s on 5-1/2" rims to G70 14"s on 6" wide rims on a '69 Dart GTS for F.A.S.T. ? Seem like it according to the rules you posted?

Posted By: John Brown

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/10/22 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by A12

On tire sizes can I go from E70 14"s on 5-1/2" rims to G70 14"s on 6" wide rims on a '69 Dart GTS for F.A.S.T. ? Seem like it according to the rules you posted?

That's the way I read the rules. Was there ever an option for 15 inch tires, even if it was for police, taxi, or export? That could give you a larger tire footprint, but at a weight penalty for heavier wheels.

Posted By: 65Fury440

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/11/22 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by BigDaddy440

Originally Posted by 65Fury440

Wow, you weren't kidding when you said "really pricey".

Yea, $1695 per isn't happening here, even if they did make 15"

Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/11/22 03:20 PM

Kind of a bad time to be shopping for anything aluminum.

Posted By: dvw

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/12/22 12:12 AM

If you are tricky and are using the older large dog dish caps. The cap will cover the large holes in a a Weld Draglight. A little bracket fabbed to hold the caps on and some paint.
Doug

Posted By: Neil

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/12/22 12:51 AM

Older thread from years ago. Looks like Mike Curtis made some in the past.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2562266/1.html

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/12/22 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by A12

On tire sizes can I go from E70 14"s on 5-1/2" rims to G70 14"s on 6" wide rims on a '69 Dart GTS for F.A.S.T. ? Seem like it according to the rules you posted?

Yes you could, it would have to be a custom rim I believe if a steely as I haven't seen a 6" wide small bolt pattern steely , only 5.5 . I run F70-14 on my Dart.

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/12/22 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by John Brown

Originally Posted by A12

On tire sizes can I go from E70 14"s on 5-1/2" rims to G70 14"s on 6" wide rims on a '69 Dart GTS for F.A.S.T. ? Seem like it according to the rules you posted?

No 15" wheels on an A body.

Posted By: A12

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/12/22 06:11 PM

John is there any way to change to the large bolt pattern and would that even be legal?

Posted By: GY3

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/12/22 07:19 PM

Bogart makes some steelie look-alikes.

Spendy!

Posted By: Neil

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/13/22 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by A12

John is there any way to change to the large bolt pattern and would that even be legal?

Don't know the rules for FAST, but getting the big bolt pattern on the front of an a-body with small bolt pattern disc brakes can be done with modified early mustang rotors and some new inner wheel bearing seals.

Posted By: A12

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/13/22 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by Neil

Originally Posted by A12

John is there any way to change to the large bolt pattern and would that even be legal?

Seems that would fall under 14.04 for an upgrade on brakes for safety, don't know if changing wheel bolt pattern would fall under that, kind of doubt it?

14.04 Aftermarket or OEM brake upgrades are allowed for safety concerns. Every effort should be made to achieve a stock appearance.

Posted By: mr_340

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/13/22 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Grizzly

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Why in the name of all-that-is-holy can't anyone make a 15" aluminum copy of a 1970 Rallye wheel?????? IS THIS JUST TOO MUCH TO ASK?

Wide open market to whoever is listening: I'd buy at least 4 sets tommorow.

Nope, we get to have our choice of Year One's 17" wheel. Because nothing looks more at home on an AAR 'Cuda than rubber-band tires. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eyes.gif" alt="" />

About a year ago I sent an e-mail to Wheel Vintiques asking them to stamp out the rallye wheel parts in aluminum. They responded with no one would want those. I think they would look great in polished aluminum and no trim rings. 15" x 8" with 4.5" backspace anyone? Send them e-mails and maybe they will see the light?

Posted By: John Brown

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/13/22 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by mr_340

I believe if a wheel was stamped in aluminum the same thickness as a steel wheel it would be inviting disaster. The aluminum wheels I saw that had the 'steelie' look were at least twice the thickness of an actual steel rim in the area where the edge of the rim met the tire. Never asked who made the rims, but evidently whoever did it knew what he was doing... hopefully.

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/13/22 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by A12

John is there any way to change to the large bolt pattern and would that even be legal?

I don't think it would be a problem, you could use safety as your reason. If I remember right the really fast cars are running aftermarket brakes , read Wilwood and the like. ....

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/13/22 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by A12

Originally Posted by Neil

Originally Posted by A12

John is there any way to change to the large bolt pattern and would that even be legal?

Neil is correct and I don't think they would care as you would still be using a stock appearing wheel . Heck if they will allow a car that was not built with an automatic trans by the factory to run an automatic trans because its the only way for it to run at the top then what's the big deal with a bolt pattern change ?

That said it would probably be cheaper to have a set of small bolt centers put in a 15" rim than to switch the bolt pattern.

Posted By: RMCHRGR

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/13/22 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by GY3

Bogart makes some steelie look-alikes.

Spendy!

https://bogartracingwheels.com/steely-dan/

Only issue with those is there are no slots around the outside of the centers like the factory stamped parts. Anybody that has a clue of what they're looking at would pick them off right away.

Posted By: John Brown

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/13/22 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by RMCHRGR

Originally Posted by GY3

Bogart makes some steelie look-alikes.

Spendy!

A creative artist could paint slots on those wheels so that from 30 feet away, they would appear to be a normal wheel.

Posted By: GY3

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/13/22 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by RMCHRGR

Originally Posted by GY3

Bogart makes some steelie look-alikes.

Spendy!

I'm sure you could talk Bogart into doing that little mod. They do a lot of bespoke stuff anyway. Just need a fat wallet.

Posted By: moparx

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/14/22 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by John Brown

Originally Posted by RMCHRGR

Originally Posted by GY3

Bogart makes some steelie look-alikes.

Spendy!

A creative artist could paint slots on those wheels so that from 30 feet away, they would appear to be a normal wheel.

there was a factory wheel made that had no slots. i have a pair of them we use for rollers when we need them.
i think they are 6" wide.
may have come from a chrysler or plymouth fury, but i really can't remember. for what it's worth, there is no "H" stamp on them.

Posted By: FurryStump

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/15/22 04:26 PM

Aluminum wheel not legal in FAST. Have seen them. You can upgrade to a G series tire. For example, my 340 formula s came with E70-14’s, I could go to a G70-14, but they hit the front fender lip. I run the 5.5 340 steel wheels. I have played around with wheel width a bit and not sure a 5.5 wheel is better than the smaller standard wheel. First, the 340 wheel is 2.5 lbs heavier. Also my logic is, we want as big a contact patch as possible, right? Can’t make it wider, but can make it longer. How do you make it longer? Drop the pressure, but now the tire “cups”! Pull the beads in with a narrower wheel and you can run less pressure before it “cups” That’s my theory. Yes, you can go big bolt as long as the wheel specs don’t change. I’m not sure, but I think a BB 14” steely allows you to run race brakes, when a SB 14” needs a spacer to run an aftermarket kit. Waiting on TBM to make a front kit for a body.

Posted By: John Brown

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/15/22 05:32 PM

I'm pretty sure a wider than 6 inch rim width or a big bolt pattern would be allowed as long as you claimed it was a safety feature. After all, since they allow Wilwood disk brake set-ups as a safety feature, that pretty much opens the door to other things that don't exactly fit the rules as long as it's 'for safety'.

Posted By: Sniper

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/15/22 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by FurryStump

Taller also makes it longer as well.

Posted By: FurryStump

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/15/22 06:49 PM

Yes, but stuck with F70-14” can’t go taller.

Posted By: Sniper

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/15/22 07:43 PM

G70-14 is a touch taller, probably not enough to matter though

Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Aluminum wheels that look like steelies? - 12/16/22 12:46 AM

Look at what the 429 Mustang did to his front suspension under the guise of safety.

It was all very visible as well.

Aluminum wheels that look like steelies?