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1976 440

Posted By: griff70440

1976 440 - 12/05/08 01:03 AM

Hi guys.

In 76 did 440 motors only have cast cranks or did some(truck motors)have steel cranks?

its got a polit hole for a 4spd.the motor didn`t come with a damper.
how can I tell what the crank is?

thanks mike
Posted By: 340dart4spd

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 01:10 AM

doubt it's a steel crank motor... I did find one in a Original 73 car once..
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 01:10 AM

Forged cranks were gone. Some trucks still got the heavy 6 pack style rods but put on the cast cranks. I'm sure those engines balanced horribly from the factory but they did it.

All 440's had the pilot hole in the back. It was a two step process. They all had a rough pilot hole, but ones that were destined for a stick shift were bored out and drilled a little deeper.
Posted By: RemCharger

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 01:55 AM

I've got a 75 truck with a steel crank , so never say never. you will have to look at the crank to know for sure, or try it with different balancers and see which one it likes
Posted By: OzHemi

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 02:06 AM

You could always just pull the oil pan for a look..
Posted By: dave571

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 03:09 AM

No substitute for a real look.

I've seen Class A mh chassis motors that were steel as new as 79.

The pilot hole may not tellyou much either way. Even a lot steels didn't have that.

More than likely cast, but worth a look.
Posted By: NTOLERANCE

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 04:01 AM

I have owned 3 steel crank big blocks well past the magical '73 cut off date.

All were 3/4 ton trucks.

Two were stick, one auto.

Auto truck had a 400,727 and a D60 front axle.
This was a 1978 vintage
Stick trucks, one was 400, one was 440. One was 78 one was 77.

Why did these HD trucks get a steel crank? Not sure, but if I had to guess, Mopar was getting out of the big block business, so perhaps they were using left over replacement cranks or parts from Direct Connnection, to use up stock or fill needed orders.
Posted By: 340dart4spd

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 04:10 AM

Quote:

I have owned 3 steel crank big blocks well past the magical '73 cut off date.

All were 3/4 ton trucks.

Two were stick, one auto.

Auto truck had a 400,727 and a D60 front axle.
This was a 1978 vintage
Stick trucks, one was 400, one was 440. One was 78 one was 77.

Why did these HD trucks get a steel crank? Not sure, but if I had to guess, Mopar was getting out of the big block business, so perhaps they were using left over replacement cranks or parts from Direct Connnection, to use up stock or fill needed orders.




mine was a car... besides who said never...
Posted By: fastmark

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 04:22 AM

I have a 76 steel crank 440 from a 1 ton truck sitting at the shop right now.
Posted By: NTOLERANCE

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 04:27 AM

Quote:


mine was a car... besides who said never...




I didnt say it.

They OP mentioned trucks and I related MY experience.
Posted By: Dennispsalm91

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 02:15 PM

I have a 76 440 , no pilot hole in my crank thats why i getting rid of it
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 03:16 PM

Whats the vibration damper look like?

Sheldon
Posted By: 446acuda

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 03:46 PM

Quote:

I have owned 3 steel crank big blocks well past the magical '73 cut off date.

All were 3/4 ton trucks.

Two were stick, one auto.

Auto truck had a 400,727 and a D60 front axle.
This was a 1978 vintage
Stick trucks, one was 400, one was 440. One was 78 one was 77.

Why did these HD trucks get a steel crank? Not sure, but if I had to guess, Mopar was getting out of the big block business, so perhaps they were using left over replacement cranks or parts from Direct Connnection, to use up stock or fill needed orders.


I've seen a few steel crank 440's right up to '78. I had a '76 400 with a .010/.010 steel crank. Has a maltese cross on the pad so that's the way it came from the factory. Also big '73-4 motorhomes seem to always have a 440-3 with a steel crank, six pak rods and internal balance since the low comp pistons were lighter.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 03:58 PM

Quote:

I have a 76 440 , no pilot hole in my crank thats why i getting rid of it


There was an article where they used a MP roller bearing to support the input shaft placing it(further forward) in the crank recess where a torque converter nose would normally fit then just hand drilling out the hole in the crank further back where the pilot bearing would be. They didn't have to dissassemble the crank either. Might save you from having to sell your current engine.
Posted By: fastmark

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 04:37 PM

The several 76 to 78 steel crank truck motor I have had all had the thin balancer and big rods.
Posted By: 340dart4spd

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 05:54 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I have a 76 440 , no pilot hole in my crank thats why i getting rid of it


There was an article where they used a MP roller bearing to support the input shaft placing it(further forward) in the crank recess where a torque converter nose would normally fit then just hand drilling out the hole in the crank further back where the pilot bearing would be. They didn't have to dissassemble the crank either. Might save you from having to sell your current engine.





Mopar performance sells this part...as at dealer for roller bearing
Posted By: griff70440

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 10:27 PM

the crank is out of the motor,but I`m not sure what it is.how can I tell by looking at the crank?


thanks,
mike
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 10:37 PM

If the parting line is really thin it is a cast crank. If the parting line is thick (about 3/8") it is forged.

Sheldon
Posted By: 446acuda

Re: 1976 440 - 12/05/08 10:39 PM

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If the parting line is really thin it is a cast crank. If the parting line is thick (about 3/8") it is forged.

Sheldon


Also the 440 cast cranks that I have seen have "440" on them
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