First Paint Job - Need Tools!

Posted By: bulletpruf

First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/07/13 03:04 AM

Fellas -

Plan to paint my 68 Lemans convt and believe that's an excuse to purchase some new tools. Car is in pretty good shape, but needs some dents worked out, minor rust repair. Think I'm going to do a "scuff and shoot" over the existing paint.

Anyway, in addition to the normal hand tools, I have a DA orbital sander, DeVilbiss HVLP "Finish Line" gun (1.3, 1.5, 1.8 tips), 80 gallon compressor, MIG welder (Miller 211), cutoff wheel, sheetmetal nibbler, die grinder, etc.

Figure I need:

Hammers and dollies - what about this set from Eastwood - http://www.eastwood.com/7-pc-body-and-fender-pro-set-fiberglass-handles.html

Also need some sanding blocks, right? How 'bout these - http://www.eastwood.com/7-pc-body-and-fender-pro-set-fiberglass-handles.html

What about an air sander? http://www.eastwood.com/straight-line-air-sander.html

And a palm sander?

I have a pair of the metal stands that can be used to support bumpers, fenders, decklids, doors, etc while you are working on them.

Suppose I'll need a pile of sandpaper as well as masking tape and paper.

What did I miss? Recommendations on the above list?

Thanks,

Scott

Posted By: GO_Fish

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/07/13 12:18 PM

The air sander you linked to has only 1 customer review on Eastwood's site, and it is not good. Just an FYI, consider this a

Posted By: HemiChallenger

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/07/13 12:40 PM

Consider picking up a shrinking hammer and slapper bar as well. If you have an area with larger issues a slapper bar will come in handy. Get a 6" random oribital sander, and Durablock kits have a good variety of blocks...

Steve

Posted By: bonefish

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/07/13 03:48 PM

do yourself a favor and get a WATERBUG.

Posted By: bulletpruf

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/07/13 04:31 PM

Quote:

The air sander you linked to has only 1 customer review on Eastwood's site, and it is not good. Just an FYI, consider this a

I saw that. Is the air sander a good piece of gear? If it saves time, makes the job easier, etc, I'm all about getting it. One thing that I've learned as I have gotten older - - having the right tools can make a huge difference in my productivity.

Thanks

Posted By: bulletpruf

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/07/13 04:31 PM

Quote:

Consider picking up a shrinking hammer and slapper bar as well. If you have an area with larger issues a slapper bar will come in handy. Get a 6" random oribital sander, and Durablock kits have a good variety of blocks...

Steve

Thanks, Steve. That's helpful.

Scott

Posted By: bulletpruf

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/07/13 04:32 PM

Quote:

do yourself a favor and get a WATERBUG.

That's a new one for me - - what is it?

Thanks

Scott

Posted By: RodStRace

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/07/13 04:36 PM

It sounds like you want the go-ahead to tool splurge!

You can usually get a toe dolly, combo dolly, picking hammer, shrinking hammer and a slapper used. Tools are nice, but you will want the money ON the car, not in your box.

I try to find a fender or hood from the same era for metal, rather than buy a flat sheet of modern metal.

The thing that stands out for me on the list is the compressor. Check your CFM rating on the gun and the compressor. It may not be able to keep up.
Don't forget personal safety stuff! Don't shoot without a good mask at least. Good to have something for when you are sanding too.

Talk to your local paint supply place and they should set you up with materials that work well together and are easy for a newbie. If possible, drive it over and have them look it over before you start. Use real tape, not the Home Depot stuff. Same with the paper or plastic masking. No newspaper!

Also, start lubing any fasteners that will be removed. Once the thing is bare, you do not want ANY spray stuff around, especially anything with silicone (armor all, tire dressing) - it's asking for fish eyes!

If possible, use a local college facility. It works for me!

EDIT: One tool that I've used a lot is a stud gun.
You can even use it to shrink a oil canned dent.
Here's a cheap one.
http://www.toolsource.com/magnaspot-1000...urceid=googleps

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Posted By: bonefish

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/07/13 05:32 PM

Quote:

Quote:

do yourself a favor and get a WATERBUG.

That's a new one for me - - what is it?

Thanks

Scott

i dont know how to cut and paste,just google waterbug sander.i love mine.

Posted By: bulletpruf

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/08/13 02:58 AM

Quote:

It sounds like you want the go-ahead to tool splurge!

You can usually get a toe dolly, combo dolly, picking hammer, shrinking hammer and a slapper used. Tools are nice, but you will want the money ON the car, not in your box.

I try to find a fender or hood from the same era for metal, rather than buy a flat sheet of modern metal.

The thing that stands out for me on the list is the compressor. Check your CFM rating on the gun and the compressor. It may not be able to keep up.
Don't forget personal safety stuff! Don't shoot without a good mask at least. Good to have something for when you are sanding too.

Talk to your local paint supply place and they should set you up with materials that work well together and are easy for a newbie. If possible, drive it over and have them look it over before you start. Use real tape, not the Home Depot stuff. Same with the paper or plastic masking. No newspaper!

Also, start lubing any fasteners that will be removed. Once the thing is bare, you do not want ANY spray stuff around, especially anything with silicone (armor all, tire dressing) - it's asking for fish eyes!

If possible, use a local college facility. It works for me!

EDIT: One tool that I've used a lot is a stud gun.
You can even use it to shrink a oil canned dent.
Here's a cheap one.
http://www.toolsource.com/magnaspot-1000...urceid=googleps

Great input. Thanks!

Scott

Posted By: bulletpruf

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/09/13 05:58 PM

Fellas -

Got the Martin 7 piece hammer and dolly kit with fiberglass handles. $196 at Summit or $226 at autobodytoolmart.com - http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/martin-7-piece-hammer-dolly-set-p-13681.aspx

I went with the Dura-Block 7 piece kit for $60 - http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ard-tai-af44l/overview/

Added a 24" Dura-Block for $28 - http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/dura-block-24-x-2-34-sanding-block-p-12944.aspx

Also got the Martin book on metal bumping for $12.

I'll also pick up some 3M tape and masking paper. Any particular style/type to get?

What about sandpaper? Looks like I can get rolls of 3M "stikit" stuff, but it's not cheap at $45/roll. What flavors/grits will I need? http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/3m-stikit-gold-sheet-2-34-sandpaper-rolls-p-11340.aspx

I have a regulator and water trap on my compressor now (80 gallon Quincy 230 volt), but do I have to spend $500 on a new dryer and filter? http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/devilbis...us-p-15078.aspx

Or can I use a Harbor Freight one for $50? http://www.harborfreight.com/38-desiccant-dryer-with-oil-removal-filter-69923.html

I have to replace my hose for this job, right? Think I saw somewhere that I shouldn't use my old air hose for painting.

Stud gun looks like a good piece of gear, but I don't have any large dents on this car that I'm aware of. Just some small dings in the trunk and tops of the fenders and quarters from some hail. Do you use a stud gun on small dents like this?

Thanks,

Scott

Posted By: RodStRace

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/09/13 09:17 PM

If you can get to the back of every dent, don't bother with a stud gun.

The sanding blocks will determine the sandpaper. Always use good quality paper (3M) not cheap stuff.

There are a ton of how-to videos on you tube and available for purchase.

For the air, there are a lot of clever ways to filter the air and get the moisture out. For one job, there is NO WAY I'd spend 500 bucks on equipment.

I posted about the hoses and fittings. It has info in the links.
I'd suggest shooting primer on smaller stuff first, to test the limits of your system.
If you can work up to two fenders and a hood without a pressure or volume drop, you should be able to do a body...

Posted By: bulletpruf

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/10/13 12:58 AM

Quote:

If you can get to the back of every dent, don't bother with a stud gun.

The sanding blocks will determine the sandpaper. Always use good quality paper (3M) not cheap stuff.

There are a ton of how-to videos on you tube and available for purchase.

For the air, there are a lot of clever ways to filter the air and get the moisture out. For one job, there is NO WAY I'd spend 500 bucks on equipment.

I posted about the hoses and fittings. It has info in the links.
I'd suggest shooting primer on smaller stuff first, to test the limits of your system.
If you can work up to two fenders and a hood without a pressure or volume drop, you should be able to do a body...

I can't get to the back of all the dents; some in the decklid will be behind the decklid inner structure/frame.

I didn't see the links you referenced above.

Not at home so I don't have the gun model, but looks like the gun will need 10-13 cfm. Compressor is rated for 17 cfm, I believe.

Thanks,

Scott

Posted By: RodStRace

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/10/13 04:40 AM

links posted here
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post7538313

Found this group of body videos, Haven't watched them yet, so I can't vouch for them. There are lots of others.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ButlerCollision?feature=watch

Posted By: bulletpruf

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/10/13 06:24 PM

Quote:

links posted here
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post7538313

Found this group of body videos, Haven't watched them yet, so I can't vouch for them. There are lots of others.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ButlerCollision?feature=watch

Thanks for the info.

Scott

Posted By: dynamite

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/10/13 07:03 PM

Did anyone answer ...What is a water bug and where can I get one ??

Posted By: justinp61

Re: First Paint Job - Need Tools! - 01/10/13 07:49 PM

Quote:

Did anyone answer ...What is a water bug and where can I get one ??

Google is your friend.

http://www.google.com/search?q=water+bug...mp;sourceid=ie7