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Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl

Posted By: Mopar Boy

Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/18/12 02:14 PM

Been working on getting the 318 in the 68 Newport tuned up. Having issues with it running. Unless you baby the throttle the motor dies. If you also give it more than 60%, it bogs.

I have changes the cap, rotor, plugs, wires, and set the timing at 8 deg, new air filter and a bunch of other items that are not really related.

Question is, where do I go from here? I seem to have good spark, so I would assume fuel. Also, as the carb was apparently rebuilt this past summer prior to my owning it, I wonder if the internals are screwed.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Robert
Posted By: I_bleed_MOPAR

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/18/12 02:33 PM

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Been working on getting the 318 in the 68 Newport tuned up. Having issues with it running. Unless you baby the throttle the motor dies. If you also give it more than 60%, it bogs.

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From your description it sounds like the accelerator pump has dried out or incorrectly adjusted.


Tim
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/18/12 02:40 PM

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Been working on getting the 318 in the 68 Newport tuned up. Having issues with it running. Unless you baby the throttle the motor dies. If you also give it more than 60%, it bogs.

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From your description it sounds like the accelerator pump has dried out or incorrectly adjusted.


Tim






BBD 2-v carbs are that way.
Posted By: 268RTs4ME

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/18/12 02:43 PM

Time to take the carb off and rebuild it, also make sure you put in a new float. The caskets and new pump should be in the kit.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/18/12 02:48 PM

As said carb & need more than 8 deg initial. check A/P then float level & shoot a 2 second blast of starting fluid in each idle mixture screw hole, vac leak
Posted By: Mopar Boy

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/20/12 12:51 AM

Thanks for the advice guys! Says what I hoped was not true! LOL
Posted By: bboogieart

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/20/12 12:58 AM

I was just curious why some one would put a 318 in a 68 NewPort?
Seems like a lot of work to go to a small block in a car that never had one. Or was it a 383? Either way those carter 2bbl bbd carbs are a breeze to rebuild.
Posted By: Secret Chimp

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/20/12 03:03 AM

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Time to take the carb off and rebuild it, also make sure you put in a new float. The caskets and new pump should be in the kit.




There's no need to put in a new float unless the one in there is shown to have a leak. The float in mine was perfectly fine, and it was rebuilt (poorly) at least once before with the float level set all wrong.
Posted By: GMP440

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/20/12 03:11 AM

I also agree on the accelerator pump. Check to see your getting a good, hard shot. Also, adjust the idle mixture screws for a good curb idle in gear.
Posted By: 79powerwagon

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/20/12 11:51 AM

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Been working on getting the 318 in the 68 Newport tuned up. Having issues with it running. Unless you baby the throttle the motor dies. If you also give it more than 60%, it bogs.

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From your description it sounds like the accelerator pump has dried out or incorrectly adjusted.


Tim






BBD 2-v carbs are that way.




I HATE BBD carbs. Of all of them that I've had over the decades, only ONE of them worked properly, and no amount of rebuilding will correct anything on them!

There was someone, this past summer, selling brand new ones. You'd be way ahead doing this, and even further ahead if you found a 2v Stromberg instead. Of course, 4v is the real ticket, but if you insist on 2v, the Stromberg is a better Mopar carb.

To the poster stating no small blocks in C bodies- you sir, are wrong. Maybe not originally in THAT particular model and year, but there are PLENTY of small block and /6 C bodies made!
Posted By: Mopar Boy

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/20/12 04:36 PM

No, it is a 318/904. It was a 383/727 though. Why change it to a small block? Beyond my comprehention as to why they would go through the hassle! Not to mention the casting date says 1985!? It did allow me to get a decent deal on it though!

Either way, I want to stay 2 barrel for the time being as the motor wont be in there for more than a year. Just have to save up some more funds and then it will go under the knife after the parts have been collected. If I go to a 4 barrel, then I need to get intake pan, manifold, etc. For where I am going, makes more sense to just get it driveable for the least amount.

I have also gone down this new carb road. Makes the most sense.

Where would I buy a new one and how much CFM do I need for a stock 318? I was looking on Summit and found these. Would either work? Or is there a better one I should consider?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-64-1183/

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-64-1169/

Thanks,
Posted By: Mopar Boy

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/20/12 04:39 PM

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Time to take the carb off and rebuild it, also make sure you put in a new float. The caskets and new pump should be in the kit.




There's no need to put in a new float unless the one in there is shown to have a leak. The float in mine was perfectly fine, and it was rebuilt (poorly) at least once before with the float level set all wrong.




Sadly, I do have leaks in the carb. It is draining out of I believe the linkage and onto the intake manifold.
Posted By: a12rag

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/20/12 04:52 PM

For the price of a kit, the BBD is one of the easiest carbs to rebuild ! Think you would be money ahead doing that, over buying another one that may or may not be any better than the one you have.

I have always found, especially with stock motors, that if you rebuild it according to the factory instructions (or those included with the kit), you usually end up with something very very close to perfect for your application.

Have done that with Thermoquads over the years too . . . always had em work great !! With a bit of time, and reading (go figure - read the instructions !!), you should be able to get the carb you have on the car now, running like a top !!

Why take a big block drivetrain out of a C body and replace it with a small block drivetrain ? Come on, you get the big block for another project, and still have a running/driving C body ! . . . bought a 69 Chrysler 300 like that . . . it did get the 440 later on though !!

Hope it works out for you . . .

Cheers

Mark
Posted By: Dean_Kuzluzski

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/20/12 05:46 PM

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Having issues with it running. Unless you baby the throttle the motor dies. If you also give it more than 60%, it bogs.




If it idles steady and stumbles when you crack the throttle, YES, it's the accellerator pump.

BUT a bad accellerator pump won't create an idle that dies.

Try looking down the carb, engine not running, and cracking the throttle to see a healthy squirt of gas.

Otherwise, it sounds like a needle/seat issue if there's fuel visibly drooling out of the card.

AND/OR a bad vacuum leak. Which can be as simple as a blown base gasket of rotted out vacuum hoses.

Do a rebuild, replace old rubber vacuuum hoses and be done.
Posted By: Secret Chimp

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/20/12 07:26 PM

If you're still scratching your head over this, you can have the BBD off of my Coronet when I'm done with my four barrel swap in a couple of weeks. It's a non-emissions carb so it has none of the junk that made them pains in the butt. Always works perfectly for me.
Posted By: Paul_Fancsali

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/20/12 08:18 PM

Check for a intake leak around the manifold base 318's are good for that. Also the carb was designed for spark emission control. It is too lean and I would assume does not have a O2 sensor in exhaust. Get another 2 bbl I have several but I never had a real problem with rebuilding them. Stay away from a 71 model it is a rochester design hard to get parts. By the way you did check the heat passage in manifold they love to plug up
Posted By: dOoC

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 01/20/12 11:18 PM

CHECK also if the intake exh heat crossover is plugged....I will bet it is.
Posted By: Mopar Boy

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 02/03/12 02:30 PM

OK. I have battled over the last few weeks what I want to do. I ended up deciding to just wait and collect some funds, and do it right. Put on a 4 barrel and call it a day. If I am going to do it, may as well do it right.

Thanks for all of the input folks. Again, you have all kept me on the right course!
Posted By: Mopar Boy

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 02/03/12 02:31 PM

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If you're still scratching your head over this, you can have the BBD off of my Coronet when I'm done with my four barrel swap in a couple of weeks. It's a non-emissions carb so it has none of the junk that made them pains in the butt. Always works perfectly for me.




Thank you very much for the offer. Most generous of you!
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 02/03/12 03:59 PM

dont forget to bump that initial up!
Posted By: bboogieart

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 02/03/12 04:01 PM

I don't know if this was mentioned but the bbd 2 bbls had a habit of warping. Might be getting a mild vacuum leak, the fix is check the mating surfaces if you find the top or base plate is warped you can heat it in an oven and then straighten it out on a known flat surface. Might need a tad bit of file work but be careful.
I always liked those carbs and still have several. Very easy to rebuild and they work fine for thier intended purpose. The 4 bbl will porbably make you happier once dialed in. Of course this might lead to a whole other can of worms, finding kick down linkage and such.
Still think a 318 in a Chrysler is weird, but I am sure they pulled the big block and still wanted to sell the car. Porbably had the 318 laying around. Glad it turned into a good deal for ya
Posted By: BevoHoosier

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 06/26/15 03:45 AM

bumping this old thread, thanks for the info. Having trouble with my 383- 2bbl bbd carter... has run fine for many years, but since getting out of storage this year, have had dying at idle after warming up, then fuel leaking from somewhere out of the carb onto the intake manifold & boiling...

I have tried tightening the mounting flange nuts, hopefully that's it. Will try it again once it cools down... I wonder also if it's leaking out of the butterfly linkage rod

I have rebuilt this carb once before years ago, and like i said, ran great... but i don't remember if the rebuild will help eliminate a leak at the linkage rod?????


thanks
Posted By: Supercuda

Re: Rough running issues on a 318 2 bbl - 06/26/15 03:52 AM

Sounds like your float quit floating.
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